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Pakled posted:Yep. Evidently Goonswarm is the only major alliance that doesn't have horrendous amounts of embezzlement going on among the leadership. Anymore. Embezzlement was a huge issue twice in the life of goonswarm (Remedial and the titan fund, kartoon and the disbanding of GF). The finances are all public record for goons and spies to see and figure out that nothing is going missing.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It makes sense that cutthroat pirates would be more trustworthy with eachother than businessmen. What's the difference?
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Pakled posted:Yep. Evidently Goonswarm is the only major alliance that doesn't have horrendous amounts of embezzlement going on among the leadership. You can keep 100 billion for yourself and spend it on a ship you will be terrified of doing something in and losing it, or you can split it with 1000 other people and make some other 1000 people cry as you systematically destroy their 100 billion.
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It sounds like a matter of motivation. Your average person playing Eve joined with the goal of becoming as powerful as possible. Your average goon joined already planning on being part of goon swarm.
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Pakled posted:Yep. Evidently Goonswarm is the only major alliance that doesn't have horrendous amounts of embezzlement going on among the leadership. Don't know about now, but historically, no, no that is not true. Hell its practically tradition for how a leader leaves. Remedial, uh, Kartoon, Suas, all pulled off pretty hilarious schemes when they decided to pull the plugs respectivally (I think remedy ran off with a tonne of money or something , Kartoon plain out killed the alliance, and Suas ran off with a frigging titan. And we loved them for it, because goon-loving is a grand and noble tradition. Well not so much Remedy. There where a few less fun levels of bullshit involving real money going on there.
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Doodles posted:We haven't blown up any schools, but every time they try to set up a cemetery to commemorate players who died in real life, we've burnt it to the ground. None of that WoW poo poo in EVE, kthx.  TheAbortionator posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/28/nowhere-is-safe-in-eve-online-as-goonswarm-suicide-bombs-galactic-trade-hub/
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TheAbortionator posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/28/nowhere-is-safe-in-eve-online-as-goonswarm-suicide-bombs-galactic-trade-hub/ To give you an idea of how things actually work in-game, we decided to camp an enemy system and take it away from them when I was playing. We moved en-masse into a system called 6vdt and set up for a week. For the first few hours there was a massive scramble of the enemy to try to get free as they realized that they had tons of assets docked in a station they were about to not be able to access. We laughed as they started putting their poo poo up for sale so that we could buy it and they could get something out of their loss. Eight hours later, we were just sitting there and the laughter was slowly dying down as people alt tabbed while keeping teamspeak on to make sure that they were around for alerts. For the next 7 days we camped that system 24/7, waiting for the alert that they were scrambling that never really came. We shot their station and infrastructure a ton, we shot a bunch of cloaky ships that tried to escape, we never actually got any fleet action and after three or four days we were literally passing 12 hours at a time without seeing a single enemy in system. At the end of the week the system belonged to us and the enemy had retreated quite far away. About half the fleet ops I ever went on ended with us just chasing an enemy through gates until they got to a safe station and hid waiting for us to leave. Small gang action often ended fruitlessly as we tried to capture gankers but were consistently 2 systems behind until they got out of our cluster where we didn't generally keep going. And then, there is the time between ops. When you haul minerals around, when you scam people and get one good mark for every 10-20 that you try to get a hook into, when you float through asteroid belts and anomalies mindlessly shooting AI ships for cash and thinking "I really should get a bot so I can play my xbox and actually have fun while I make spacebux". The meta-game is awesome, and there are a million stories about how goons hosed someone in eve. Sometimes you're a part of that, sometimes you're not, but be aware that for every hour of hilarity and feeding upon the tears of your enemies you will have probably 10-20 hours of mind numbing tedium as you shoot rats or do PI or mess with markets while you play with Eve Fitting Tool designing the ideal version of a ship you won't be able to fly for six months (real time) because you trained Minmatar instead of Caldari.
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I think my favorite part about the Hulkageddon Infinity concept is that they've made suicide ganking miners a way to actually turn a profit, and it's more profitable than mining.
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Dreggon posted:Oh, and speaking of griefing, this guy. Can't do anything about the low quality, unfortunately. How on Earth does he explain it when caught?
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Mordaedil posted:How on Earth does he explain it when caught? Probably exactly like The Chaser group does: Admit to everything and serve the minor time / pay the fine.
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May 31, 2012 10:39
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Everytime EVE comes up, it makes me want to return and join Goonswarm. These stories makes the game sound so fun! Plodding around on your own just seemed like hard work (and my ships ended up being destroyed far too often).
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I was deployed in 2006 with a guy we'll call Schaeffer. Schaeffer was the spergiest guy I had ever met. He was 27, had never been on a date, had a laptop with 16gb of porn and 24 gb of anime porn - and he told me all of these facts rapid-fire within five minutes of our first meeting. He also hated everything - no matter what it was that you liked, he would find something negative about it in order to tell you how much he hated it. The only thing he loved? Playing EVE, all day, every day after work. Every time I read one of these stories I think of Schaeffer and how GoonSwarm must make him absolutely quake with rage.
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Wild T posted:I was deployed in 2006 with a guy we'll call Schaeffer. Schaeffer was the spergiest guy I had ever met. He was 27, had never been on a date, had a laptop with 16gb of porn and 24 gb of anime porn - and he told me all of these facts rapid-fire within five minutes of our first meeting. He also hated everything - no matter what it was that you liked, he would find something negative about it in order to tell you how much he hated it. That is relatable. Love your avatar too.
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Iacen posted:Everytime EVE comes up, it makes me want to return and join Goonswarm. These stories makes the game sound so fun! Eve is great with people but boring, most of the time, when you play alone.
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EVE is a fantastic story generator powered by the lives, souls and time of the poor acolytes who are hurled into its fiery depths. We salute your brave sacrifice so that the rest of us may enjoy your incredible griefing.
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AlsoD posted:What about the gankers? If somebody is losing a ship per gank, surely that can't be profitable? Well you see, the thing about losing your ship is that if it's T1 and insured you get all or almost all of what it's worth back so you actually lose very little to no money. Combine that with the fact that from what I hear GoonSwarm gives out free ships anyway and small T1 ships are hilariously cheap to fart out means you make a profit from just getting your ship blown up. And you still get more money for your kills.
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Morglon posted:Well you see, the thing about losing your ship is that if it's T1 and insured you get all or almost all of what it's worth back so you actually lose very little to no money. Combine that with the fact that from what I hear GoonSwarm gives out free ships anyway and small T1 ships are hilariously cheap to fart out means you make a profit from just getting your ship blown up. And you still get more money for your kills. None of that applies to ganking of mining ships in zones that qualify for the bounty. Assuming you screw up a few ganks on your way to the ten needed to qualify for the bounty, you're probably roughly breaking even. So, any EVE player can blow up miners all day for free, if they pay the start-up cost; the real money comes from the tough ones that have expensive stuff you can loot from the wrecks and sell.
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One last RP grief, then I'll go back to some of the mechanical griefs I've got. Again on WoW, and again on Silver Hand. As O, S, and I became increasingly disillusioned with the server and the game in general, we formed a guild called "Wicked Immorality" to expressly provide a counterpoint against all the serious ArrPee guilds that were addicted to calling themselves "Knights of the <Whatever>" or "<Whatevers> of the Light". Our usual antics involved doing baseline annoying poo poo like using Distract in PvP (which accomplishes nothing but forcing nearby players to turn around for about a quarter second), jumping wildly in parties, using /bored on anyone who followed the stupid as all hell bowing etiquette for cross-faction meetings or duels, etc. We also routinely encouraged our members to show up to RP events charging exorbitant prices for social items, and encouraged con artistry as well. Our best con once made off with enough money to buy an epic mount for promising a huge shipment of Deviant Delight (a fish that has a lot of weird/cool effects but is a pain to farm up) that she had no intention of delivering. We'd also grief the raiding guilds by showing up to dungeon raids drunk, both in character and in real life. If someone yelled at us on teamspeak, we'd just slur that we were hardcore roleplayers. Now, say what you will about roleplayers, but one thing they know how to do is to close ranks. We got a few good months of merry chaos generation, but naturally we were eventually shut out. But, we were all max level and had no interest in raiding, so we had a fair amount of money to bribe various people to do our bidding. A greased palm makes people surprisingly tractable even in video games, and soon basically everything bad that happened on the Alliance side of the server was blamed on Wicked Immorality. The best part, though, was the day that half the server united behind our retardation. Some pack of chowderheads thought that starting a vampire-themed roleplay guild on Silver Hand was a fantastic loving idea. They called it Vampiric Embrace, and the only requirement for membership is that you were roleplaying a vampire or thrall somehow. They proudly announced the formation of their guild on the forums and invited everyone down to a low-level Alliance town to join in their first RP event. Well, the general reaction from the community was...negative. Not because it was a stupid idea, but because vampires don't really exist in Warcraft lore. The forums lit up in a massive conflagration of lore nerds going nazi and counter-nazi on eachother. O, S, and I just thought it was a loving stupid idea, so they immediately became a WI target. We ordered a bunch of our guildmates to make level 1 alts, and created a parody guild, Vampiric Embarrassment. We rolled up to their RP location and immediately started roleplaying among ourselves in the most ridiculous and melodramatic way we could imagine, with half of our players going colossally emo over their 'curse' and the other half tripping on megalomania with their 'new power'. The Embrace players tried to close ranks by going silent, but we were yelling too much and half the zone came over to watch. We got a huge number of tells asking to join, and the guild's roster probably tripled in one night. Eventually their first RP event was so deluged with parody poo poo that they had to leave. I have to give those guys credit, though, they were not about to give up on this crappy idea of theirs. They scheduled more events on the forums like nothing ever happened, and the second time they actually managed to pull it over on us. They met at one area and told people to 'come early'. WI members were never on time because that shows respect, so by the time we showed up everyone was gathered and the second they saw us they left to a secondary location that they only told people who showed up. By the time we figured out they were just moving and not scattering at the sight of us, most of an hour had passed and most people were going home anyway. They'd also pick places in the wilderness, so our /whois commands would just give us a zone name without a specific location. When news of that spread, even some of our old marks for cons were offering to help us organize dragnets to keep eyes on them. The server really loving hated these guys and they didn't care that we'd fleeced a thousand gold from them at one point, they just wanted them griefed. We, of course, asked for monetary donations to help pay for transit, social items, etc, and the community responded enthusiastically. Finally, we bribed an active but low-level member to tell us what the plan was for one evening, and set up our members so on their entire route there, they'd see a steady stream of Embarrassment guild members, spamming the /cry emote. After they arrived at the second area with a bunch of Embarrassment characters already there, they just walked away and the guild disbanded quietly the next day. And, of course, WI kept the donations we didn't spend, and used them to cause havoc for the same people who'd donated the money.
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Dreggon posted:Oh, and speaking of griefing, this guy. Can't do anything about the low quality, unfortunately. I went to the same school as that guy. I recall that he once griefed the entire school by claiming to have taken a poo poo in a drinking fountain. No one saw the poo poo itself, but one Monday morning everyone saw that a bag had been taped over it and an out of order sign put on it, and he claimed responsibility for this, saying that he had broken into the school over the weekend and poo poo in the fountain, and that this was the school's response. This bag remained on the fountain for months, until at the start of a new term the bag was all of a sudden gone. Did anyone drink from this water fountain, which had surely by now been thoroughly and professionally cleaned in order to return it to service? Of course not. Long hot lunchtimes would pass, and there would be queues of kids lining up to use the other drinking fountain next door, but no one would go near the befouled fountain. My youngest brother, who also went to the same school, told me that even many years later, when even the very oldest kids still at the school had joined long after the poo poo incident, still no one used the accursed fountain. Whether he actually poo poo in the fountain, or just bagged it up and spread a rumour, his epic grief lasted for years...
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Hello Sailor posted:None of that applies to ganking of mining ships in zones that qualify for the bounty. Assuming you screw up a few ganks on your way to the ten needed to qualify for the bounty, you're probably roughly breaking even. So, any EVE player can blow up miners all day for free, if they pay the start-up cost; the real money comes from the tough ones that have expensive stuff you can loot from the wrecks and sell. Well it's still pretty awesome. Less awesome than I thought but still.
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Phobophilia posted:Parts of Goonswarm's ideology seriously reminds me of Eco's Ur-Fascism. It's the logical endgame to EVE's retarded libertarian playground, infinite fascist gridlock. The GoonWaffe will basically win EVE.
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Phobophilia posted:Parts of Goonswarm's ideology seriously reminds me of Eco's Ur-Fascism. Danilh posted:It's the logical endgame to EVE's retarded libertarian playground, infinite fascist gridlock. The GoonWaffe will basically win EVE. There are differences between human being and player characters. And there are differences between goons and regular players. Life is cheap, everyone has a single unified goal and so on. This way fascism thrives.
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Coolguye posted:Well, the general reaction from the community was...negative. Not because it was a stupid idea, but because vampires don't really exist in Warcraft lore. 
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Zereth posted:Then who were those guys I stabbed in Icecrown Citadel? There weren't any until that expansion, unless you count dreadlords.
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Time for another WoW story, around the BC-era. I played a Protection Warrior, and was tanky as all hell. My friends and I would frequently fire up ventrilo and queue for Alterac Valley and just generally screw around, back-capping graveyards and towers, all that nonsense. It got a few pubbies riled up but nothing terribly interesting. Victory in Alterac Valley meant killing the enemy general and his warmasters. Being in full PvE gear, I was the most suited for tanking them, soaking damage while everyone chipped away at their health. At the time we couldn't really think of a unique was to annoy people via the NPCs. We dedcided to mess with people via dialogue instead. We didn't want to do the obvious and just spout off offensive stuff to rile people up. I decided some RP was in order. Thus was born the Alliance's greatest hero: OG THE ORC TANKER. I elected myself the supreme commander of the Alliance offensive within Alterac Valley. I would issue all of my orders, imitating the stereotypical caveman while doing so. "MEAN ORC SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT OG AT ICEBLOOD! OG SMASH ORC! FRIENDS HELP OG HURT NASTY PERSON!" "OG WANT NEW FRIENDS TO MAKE ICEBLOOD TOWER HOT! FOLLOW OG TO FUNNY LEG-HUT!" "HORDE POKING GOOD FRIEND VANDAAR STORMPIKE SO OG YELL AT THEM TO GO HUG AND APOLOGIZE!" (At the time there was an exploit where the Horde could attack the Alliance Commander without engaging the Warmasters, which are very powerful NPCs. Warriors have a skill called Intimidating shout, which would send a group of enemies running in fear, usually within aggro range of the warmasters, who would wipe out the lot of them effortlessly. This would reset the Alliance Commander, healing him to full.) Some people found this poo poo hilarious, others just put me on ignore, and some people absolutely flipped the gently caress out. I had people screaming at me to shut up, threats of reports, etc. Usual pubbie rage. OG didn't care. OG was a team player and only wanted what was best for the Alliance. "OG FRIEND NEED TO FOLLOW OG TO TOWER. OG SCARE MEAN ORCS, FRIEND PUT FLAG BACK UP!" "OG NOT AFRAID OF WARMASTER. HEALER MAKE OG SHINY, OG SMASH WARMASTER!" "OG NOT AFRAID OF SPOOKY STAB ORCS! OG SMASH SNEAKY ORCS, OG FRIEND GUARD FLAG UNTIL OG FRIENDS MAKE ICEBLOOD TOWER HOT!" (Warriors had offensive shouts, which could reveal cloaked Rogues/Druids. If you were Human, you also had increased Stealth Detection.) OG could also be a passive-agressive shitstain, but some people found him so lovable they encouraged it. "WHY CALL OG BAD PLAYER? OG FOCUSED, NOT SLEEPING IN OG'S CAVE LIKE <Player's Name>! NEW FRIEND COULD PAY HALF OG RENT IF WANT TO NAP IN CAVE." (The cave was the default spawn-point. If you frequently spawned here, you were losing.) "DREK'THAR NO KILL OG! OG TAKE NAP! HEALERS TAKE NAP, YAWN CONTAGIOUS, SO OG SLEEP TOO!" "OG NOT MAD AT TEAM FOR LOSING. OG JUST DISAPPOINTED." It got so bad sometimes my friends wouldn't be able to play from the laughter. Sometimes players would make alts on my realm to give me poo poo. I've gotten death treats, threats to be "hacked" because I ruined his PvP experience. Some would make alts just to hang with me so they could get the full OG experience. The thought never occurred to me to grab a club and some loincloth looking vestments to nail the image, but I liked the idea of a caveman so competent and determined that he would emerge from raid groups covered in epic gear. Horace Kinch fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 1, 2012 |
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sitchelin posted:Victory in Alterac Valley meant killing the enemy general and his warmasters. Being in full PvE gear, I was the most suited for tanking them, soaking damage while everyone chipped away at their health. This reminds me of my favorite no-effort way of frustrating people in AV. There was a mod that automatically roleplayed for you, spouting off one-liners when you healed/did damage/took damage/did pretty much any activity. It had modifiers for the percentage of occurrences and what races/classes/etc. you could talk from. Simply put, set all of those modifiers to 100%, activate every class/race combo, and go tank in AV! I believe you could alter the mod to yell every line too, for bonus points. Just merely playing to the team's benefit would incite insane amounts of rage.
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Tardcore posted:There weren't any until that expansion, unless you count dreadlords. Dreadlords aren't vampires, they're just made out of bats  Edit: being a tank in full raid gear in any kind of PvP was pretty hilarious, you wouldn't do any damage but nobody could capture points while you were guarding them. Actually guarding points you need for winning made people mad too. Morglon fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Jun 1, 2012 |
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Hello Sailor posted:None of that applies to ganking of mining ships in zones that qualify for the bounty. Assuming you screw up a few ganks on your way to the ten needed to qualify for the bounty, you're probably roughly breaking even. So, any EVE player can blow up miners all day for free, if they pay the start-up cost; the real money comes from the tough ones that have expensive stuff you can loot from the wrecks and sell. Also you don't get insurance payouts for ships blown up by the popo anymore. 
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Morglon posted:Well you see, the thing about losing your ship is that if it's T1 and insured you get all or almost all of what it's worth back so you actually lose very little to no money. e:f,b
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Rynoto posted:Probably exactly like The Chaser group does: Admit to everything and serve the minor time / pay the fine. Ahh, the Chasers. Some people may have heard about their bypassing of APEC security a few years ago. This is probably one of my favourite things that they did.
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I find it hilarious that all you need to do to grief some of these roleplayers is to do some roleplaying of your own. Even if your roleplaying fits perfectly into the game's setting, if you aren't praising their elaborately constructed story, they get furious. If you are playing as, say, an ogre warrior, and you came across something like an elven poetry recital, it would be out of character for you to not cause some mayhem.
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ponzicar posted:I find it hilarious that all you need to do to grief some of these roleplayers is to do some roleplaying of your own. Even if your roleplaying fits perfectly into the game's setting, if you aren't praising their elaborately constructed story, they get furious. If you are playing as, say, an ogre warrior, and you came across something like an elven poetry recital, it would be out of character for you to not cause some mayhem.
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Yaos posted:RPers do not like to role play, they like to control the way people play the game. If you try to RP you'll be bitched at endlessly because you're not doing what they are telling everybody to do. You can get the same effect by grouping with people and not using the build they demand you use. I pissed off some idiot goons in the lovely MMO Warhammer Online by playing with a two hand weapon instead of a sword and shield. It's like this in LoL as well. People always want to tell you you're playing wrong, RP or not. I play with a friend on occasion. He likes to play a champion named Warwick. Now, Warwick's gimmick is that he heals an ungodly amount with his basic attacks, nad an ability that lets him take a massive swipe for a larger heal, and his ultimate basically has him jump on someone, mauling them a whole bunch while he regenerates even more. The "accepted" build is to increase his attack speed and lifestealing capabilities. However, my friend notices that his special attacks deal magic damage, and get much stronger if you grab items that increase your magic damage. However, he has been reported several times for using a "troll build" because his team happened to lose the game. However, during those games, he rarely dies, because he deals so much damage and heals so much health that he's nearly impossible to kill until he runs out of mana. Still, he does it, although it's not quantifiably better than the "standard" build. Why? Because people start yelling when he does it, and the silence when he takes half the enemy team down by himself is better than the victory itself.
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PokeWarVeteran posted:It's like this in LoL as well. People always want to tell you you're playing wrong, RP or not. AP Warwick was around when I still played LoL (~2 years ago?). It was just as funny back then.
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