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There wasn't any hatred at all! The guy was just all "yeah so here's this really dumb and simple website that is old. But take a look at this guy's loving blog! What a character, am I right?" If only he knew... dear god, if only he knew.
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Jun 17, 2012 16:55
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He may very well know. But you have to ease people into it before they can become fully WILDCARDS or GRRuMblers or whatever the gently caress any individual hater calls themself, lest they flee in terror too soon.
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Jun 17, 2012 23:30
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I'm looking into travel ideas for this summer and I think I found a great place for a Bad Thread goonmeet.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:I'm looking into travel ideas for this summer and I think I found a great place for a Bad Thread goonmeet.  ... Although New Brunswick is more White Harbor than King's Landing.
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I guess that means that everyone should remain in constant contact with their family after the termination of guest rights in New Brunswick  whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Jun 18, 2012 |
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Jun 18, 2012 02:42
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Chinston Wurchill posted:I'm looking into travel ideas for this summer and I think I found a great place for a Bad Thread goonmeet. I can just see us all right now assaulting this 1800s farm community through Saint John river on hastily thrown-together rafts made entirely of beer cans. It would be our desparate attempt at trying to relive the Battle of Blackwater. Reminding us of when we liked this series.
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Jun 18, 2012 02:44
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We'll just whip up a few batches of napalm with some copper mixed in for that realistic green tinge.
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Jun 18, 2012 02:55
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As long I get to poo poo at it from outside the gates, I'll be there.
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Jun 18, 2012 03:11
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:We'll just whip up a few batches of napalm with some copper mixed in for that realistic green tinge.
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Jun 18, 2012 03:31
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Rurik posted:I've brought this up before, but nobody seemed to notice back then. Anyway, I find it a bit odd how ok it is to hate Joffrey, since he's a 14-year-old kid. Yeah, he is a complete rear end in a top hat and has power which makes it possible for him to do horrible things, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a 14-year-old kid. Children aren't responsible for their actions the way adults are and I think Joffrey's regents were much more responsible for all the poo poo they let him do than what he did. Cersei especially. What a horrible You can certainly hate someone for acting like that, you just can't blame them for it. It's like dealing with someone who has borderline personality disorder.
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Jun 18, 2012 04:20
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Cersei must have concentrated exclusively on Joffrey because the other two kids are relatively nice and normal. Especially Tommen, he's loving adorable. It's the reverse of the Starks. Tommen and Myrcella are sweet and innocent and Joffrey is a bloodthirsty brat. The eldest Stark children are the most naive while the younger three are well on their way to being remorseless killers at the least. Rickon might grow up to pull a Joffrey one day. And on that day, I shall rejoice. The King in the North! The King in the North! 
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Jun 18, 2012 05:14
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No "in" bit. King of the North, at the least. from the prophetic thread: MacDougall posted:Gendry will end up on the Iron Throne for sure.
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Jun 18, 2012 06:41
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rejutka posted:Blackwater is burning. It's cool, I live by the river.
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Contra Calculus posted:There wasn't any hatred at all! The guy was just all "yeah so here's this really dumb and simple website that is old. But take a look at this guy's loving blog! What a character, am I right?" its worse than that... ball licker posted:
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Jun 18, 2012 07:06
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quote:God help me, but this website makes me just love George R.R. Martin so much. That or reading the Books of Gurm in the first place.
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Jun 18, 2012 07:08
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Reminds me of this gem.
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Urdnot Fire posted:If there's any way to pick out a truly broken person, it's that sentence. Or posting in this thread.
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Jun 18, 2012 23:53
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Well, I'd like to think everyone here has actually read the books. Though I'm sure we'd provide an interesting summary of the books for any uninitiated reading this thread.
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Here is a trailer for some French movie called Farewell my Queen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOQfyExCVQk It's about famous lesbian Marie Antionette and the only reason I'm bringing it up is because it's the historical basis for the Myrish swamp scene. Probably. Or maybe I've caught shitdick of the brain and associate everything I see with these terrible books for gross nerds. I don't know, watch the first few seconds and tell me I'm crazy.
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Ah yes, Marie Antoinette. Famous adulteress, lesbian, orgiast, traitor and incestuous pedophile, as documented in those unimpeachable scholarly pamphlets and her rigorous trial.
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Martin Van Buren posted:Here is a trailer for some French movie called Farewell my Queen: The movie seems gross just for the pro-Monarchy angle, bleh.
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Eh, Marie Antoinette, whatever her faults, didn't deserve the poo poo she got or the trial leading up to her death. Her son was coached to accuse her of molesting him at the trial.
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whowhatwhere posted:Eh, Marie Antoinette, whatever her faults, didn't deserve the poo poo she got or the trial leading up to her death. Her son was coached to accuse her of molesting him at the trial. It's fairly sad when you consider the reality of the French royal family. Completely insulated and isolated in the fancy castle-city of Versailles that was built solely so the royals didn't have to look at the squalor of Paris. How is anyone born and raised in such an environment going to have the abilities or sense of perspective to rule? It's no loving wonder the French revolted.
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Demiurge4 posted:It's fairly sad when you consider the reality of the French royal family. Completely insulated and isolated in the fancy castle-city of Versailles that was built solely so the royals didn't have to look at the squalor of Paris. How is anyone born and raised in such an environment going to have the abilities or sense of perspective to rule? It's no loving wonder the French revolted. At least the Chinese communists had the decency to "re-educate" their last emperor and they even let him be part of some political committee. Not that his post-revolution life can even be described as decent, but it's still better than killing kids.
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Rurik posted:I feel also sad for the Russian czar's family. Nicholas II was dense and could've avoided the disaster had he been less moron, but his children were innocent and couldn't even affect the events that led to that outcome. Who the gently caress executes a 13-year-old? Sometimes you just gotta make it rain on them Castameres, na mean?
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Martin Van Buren posted:Here is a trailer for some French movie called Farewell my Queen: Usually I love Benoit Jacquot's movies, especially his first movies with Bresson-like aesthetics but this one was pretty bad. Then again lesbian scenes between Lea Seydoux & Diane Kruger. V  VI know that Absolute fucker probably took "inspiration" from many historical events but I always felt like he ripped off "The Accursed Kings" by Maurice Druon. Excellent novels based on the end of the Capetian Kings and the schemes of a nobleman trying to take back his county through murder, deceit, etc.
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Rurik posted:Who the gently caress executes a 13-year-old? If they're alive, monarchists/loyalists/whatever can rally behind them and attempt to oust your government. That's a distraction no one wants, since they tend to show up at the worst times. Gotta Kill 'em All!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:If they're alive, monarchists/loyalists/whatever can rally behind them and attempt to oust your government. That's a distraction no one wants, since they tend to show up at the worst times.
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Rurik posted:I'm aware of that reasoning, but that makes them no less lovely people. Eh, Russia was a very lovely place to live in the beginning of the 20th century, and alot of 13 year olds etc starved to death every day under the mismanagment of the Czar. I don't condone it, but it was a hard life back then. As much as it's useless to apply modern day morale to GURM, it's equally useless to apply modern, western morale, to pre-industrial Russia. Were the children innocent? Yes. Were they innocent by Russian standards in 1917, when serfs still were punished for their grandparents imaginary slights towards a nobles grandfather back in the middle of the 19th century? No.
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I disagree. Injustice doesn't become justice simply because it's the norm and widely accepted. Guess I'll have to be Stannis here.
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Rurik posted:I disagree. Injustice doesn't become justice simply because it's the norm and widely accepted. Guess I'll have to be Stannis here. Oh, it's still injustice. But you still need to see it in context of early 20th century Russia. Life were cheap back then, and everyone got jugded by their families. That doesn't mean the people were necessarily lovely, even if they did an isolated lovely thing, that just made them pragmatic. Actually, killin the rest of the Czar familiy propably saved a few thousand lifes because it didn't leave the Whites in the ensuing civil war with a figure head. edit: Speakin of injustice. Remember again that pre-revolution Russia was a serfdom, where basicly everyone who weren't a noble were slaves. I bet alot of those pre-teen serfs got executed regulary without being guilty in anything regulary. Anders fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Plus, killing the Czar's family ensured Vladimir Baratheon didn't have to get in argument with Eddard Stalin over murdering the kids once they were old enough to rally troops overseas.
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Anders posted:Oh, it's still injustice. But you still need to see it in context of early 20th century Russia. Life were cheap back then, and everyone got jugded by their families. That doesn't mean the people were necessarily lovely, even if they did an isolated lovely thing, that just made them pragmatic. Anders posted:edit: Speakin of injustice. Remember again that pre-revolution Russia was a serfdom, where basicly everyone who weren't a noble were slaves. I bet alot of those pre-teen serfs got executed regulary without being guilty in anything regulary. Edit: I thought this was the military history thread, how the hell did we get here? CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Occupation posted:So I just finished ACOK, and the Season 2 of GOT is so, so much better than the book as a whole it's not even a contest. How can someone think this?
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CharlestheHammer posted:Edit: I thought this was the military history thread, how the hell did we get here? French Movie < Dead French royalty < Dead Czar family < Dead 13 year old boy < Dead GRRM before Winds of Winter comes out The Mutato posted:How can someone think this? Well, Dany's story is better than the book (still isn't good), Shae is more likeable than her book counterpart and Tywin and Theon are far more sympathetic in the show. So it's not an opinion out of nowhere. I do think the show ended up rushing and leaving some things underdeveloped, so the book is better, but Game of Thrones does improve a lot of what the GRRM did. Except Jaime killing the counsin. That was just him being unnecessarily dickish. The Unnamed One fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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Jun 19, 2012 15:10
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Haha, Joffrey as a vaguely whiny prick in the books? What.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don't think the "but the other kids did it too" is a good defense really. I tend to regard myself as somewhat of a pragmatist myself, but killing a child because thousands of other lives might be spared is a bit too pragmatic for me. To quote Davos on the issue of Azor Ahai, I'm not the stuff heroes are made of. quote:Edit: I thought this was the military history thread, how the hell did we get here?
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The Unnamed One posted:French Movie < Dead French royalty < Dead Czar family < Dead 13 year old boy < Dead GRRM before Winds of Winter comes out True about Dany, I didn't really care to clarify at the time. Shae maybe, depends how they run with her payoff. With Theon/Tywin, more sympathetic=/=better. Theon was plenty sympathetic in the the books though  Anyways, probably just a psychological bias towards the first medium you saw it in, we are all guilty of that too.
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The Mutato posted:How can someone think this? A preference for sentimentality masquerading as character intimacy in lieu of the "realistic" scale that comes from a world painted with as many characters as the author desires.
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