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grover posted:It would be nice if all these sporty cheap little economy cars were actually sporty. Instead of throwing a body kit on an elentra and calling it a day. Hey, Neons with body kits were actually fairly sporty and do pretty well in low-level motorsports.
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grover posted:It would be nice if all these sporty cheap little economy cars were actually sporty. Instead of throwing a body kit on an elentra and calling it a day. I'm not sure how it handles, but on paper, it seems to be a very sport offering relative to its peers.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:00
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Devyl posted:I'm pretty opposed to the car in general, as it's your run-of-the-mill "car by manufacturer" relying on a legacy of a famous name. Counterpoint, it's the first time I've felt excitement over a Chrysler product in I don't know how long because cars need cool names like the Demon, RoadRunner, and Valiant. Not the Mercelexiniti GQEX42069. It's a sign things are moving back to where they belong.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:04
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oRenj9 posted:The Multiair 1.4L gets 39 MPG and makes 160hp/184ft lbs, which is pretty respectable for a car that is first and foremost an economy car. Those power figures are north of the Elantra you mentioned as well as offering a six-speed manual or a clutched automatic. They are also comparable to the Focus, but with better torque and economy figures.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:06
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grover posted:A friend of mine has a Veloster. He said the suspension came straight off the elantra, and is super-soft with lots of roll, but he liked it because it's comfortable on the crappy quality roads around here. 160hp isn't completely anemic, but isn't exactly rockin' with power, either. It may look like a sports car, but it isn't. Which is the feeling I get from a lot of cars these days, including many that feature drifting in TV ads. A bit off-topic, but every time I see the ad for the new Mercedes which features a handsome, young-ish man drifting it across an intersection, I just bust out laughing. Firstly, that they are saying you can disable all the nanny-aids enough in the Merc to actually drift, and secondly, because the model they're advertising comes with a 200HP-ish turbo-4.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:10
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grover posted:Is the new Dart a neon with a body kit, or is there more to it? If you bothered to do any research at all you would know that it's the same platform as the Giulietta.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:23
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:If you bothered to do any research at all you would know that it's the same platform as the Giulietta.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:27
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Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:Counterpoint, it's the first time I've felt excitement over a Chrysler product in I don't know how long because cars need cool names like the Demon, RoadRunner, and Valiant. Not the Mercelexiniti GQEX42069. It's a sign things are moving back to where they belong. How is that a sign at all? It's just Dodge putting out yet another cool name on a car which is pretty standard. Are you seeing an industry shift like this anywhere else that might signify a trend? Because we're talking about a manufacturer who made a disgustingly ugly box of an SUV that weighed 4,000lbs but in its highest trim had a 260hp V6 and called it NITRO! I would expect my rear end to get blown out of my mouth by the speed at which I was passed on the highway by something called Nitro. Challenger, Charger, Avenger; even Durango, Caravan, and Journey are pretty cool. I'd love to see this kind of naming anywhere else but so far I haven't and I don't expect to.
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Jun 22, 2012 00:33
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Ok, my dad owned a Dart when I was little and I've craved one ever since  Happy now?
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Jun 22, 2012 00:36
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Fucknag posted:It really ought to be a hatchback, demographics and market preferences be damned. If you don't mind it being badged as a Chrysler 100, have I got good news for you... http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2013-chrysler-100/
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Jun 22, 2012 01:07
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Q_res posted:If you don't mind it being badged as a Chrysler 100, have I got good news for you... Lower it and it looks Volvo C30-esque. I can dig.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz7ivGt0rM This is Motorweek's review of the Dart. From what I can see, it looks like a nice - both inside and out - fuel economy focused car that also might be fun to drive. The recent test drive event they had in LA had many people coming away with similar opinions. I'm going to test one out whenever the local dealer gets them. That
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grover posted:A friend of mine has a Veloster. He said the suspension came straight off the elantra, and is super-soft with lots of roll, but he liked it because it's comfortable on the crappy quality roads around here. 160hp isn't completely anemic, but isn't exactly rockin' with power, either. It may look like a sports car, but it isn't. Which is the feeling I get from a lot of cars these days, including many that feature drifting in TV ads. This is exactly why I decided not to go with the Veloster. Looks cool, looks like it should be fast and fun, then... it isn't. It's just a normal car with a weird body and way more technology than anyone needs in their car. Why is there an Xbox hookup? Why? That can't end well for anyone, I can only imagine it's for passengers to play en route which is horribly distracting to the driver. I got tired of waiting for the Turbo and got a new better paying job that necessitated needing a new car sooner than its release date (no way in hell my old car would make the trek across the country and I needed a car when I got there), ended up with a Mini Cooper S Coupe. Love it. Practical? Hell no. Fun? Hell yes. Its trunk is actually bigger than the standard Mini's (with the seats up), and I only ever used my back seats for storage anyway so it made sense for me to get no back seat and a bigger trunk.
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Jun 22, 2012 04:23
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:Why is there an Xbox hookup? Why? That can't end well for anyone, I can only imagine it's for passengers to play en route which is horribly distracting to the driver. Wait, does it just have normal audio/video hookups or something that's proprietary for the x-box? Because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Jun 22, 2012 04:31
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grover posted:That's.... not really any better. It's a newer platform and at the very least has good crash ratings. What specific beefs to you have with it?
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kimbo305 posted:It's a newer platform and at the very least has good crash ratings. What specific beefs to you have with it? No combat lasers.
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I thought you all might get a kick out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnfp6eoI14Y It shows you what you have to do to access the engine bay on the new 911. Look at all that trim 
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Jun 22, 2012 06:28
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Fucknag posted:It really ought to be a hatchback, demographics and market preferences be damned. It should be a diesel Sport-Wagon, as those have traditionally sold very well in North America.
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Jun 22, 2012 06:48
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grover posted:It would be nice if all these sporty cheap little economy cars were actually sporty. Instead of throwing a body kit on an elentra and calling it a day. Nobody cares.
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Jun 22, 2012 06:49
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davebo posted:How is that a sign at all? It's just Dodge putting out yet another cool name on a car which is pretty standard. Are you seeing an industry shift like this anywhere else that might signify a trend? Because we're talking about a manufacturer who made a disgustingly ugly box of an SUV that weighed 4,000lbs but in its highest trim had a 260hp V6 and called it NITRO! I would expect my rear end to get blown out of my mouth by the speed at which I was passed on the highway by something called Nitro. Yes, it's not as if the original Dart was an economy car.
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Jun 22, 2012 06:52
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oRenj9 posted:The Multiair 1.4L gets 39 MPG and makes 160hp/184ft lbs, which is pretty respectable for a car that is first and foremost an economy car. If you're looking for a "first and foremost economy car" you definitely don't want a 1.4L Dart. That engine option jacks the price to $20k+, which isn't very economical at all!
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Jun 22, 2012 07:32
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assfucker420 posted:Yes, it's not as if the original Dart was an economy car. Seriously, since when was Dodge Dart a cool name? When I hear "Dodge Dart," I think "rusted out shitheap" because that's the only experience anyone under the age of like 60 has had with the name. Not that I disagree with the direction they've taken. It's basically a real successor to the Neon, and looks to be miles better than the horrific Caliber in just about every way.
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grover posted:That's.... not really any better. Competent well-handling small car platform with a perky engine and good gas mileage. What's not to like?
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davebo posted:Wait, does it just have normal audio/video hookups or something that's proprietary for the x-box? Because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It has a breakout cable with RCA sockets
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assfucker420 posted:Yes, it's not as if the original Dart was an economy car. Viktor posted:It has a breakout cable with RCA sockets That makes a whole lot more sense than something that would only work with an x-box. davebo fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jun 22, 2012 |
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Cream_Filling posted:Seriously, since when was Dodge Dart a cool name? When I hear "Dodge Dart," I think "rusted out shitheap" because that's the only experience anyone under the age of like 60 has had with the name. When it's a Dodge Dart Swinger! 
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Jun 22, 2012 16:30
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A distinct lack of Jesus on that dashboard.
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Jun 22, 2012 16:40
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davebo posted:Well yeah, but I wasn't saying anything about new vehicles not being enough like their older counterparts or even that the coolness of names don't match the coolness of cars. Obviously the Nitro sounds fast but isn't, and the Challenger sounds pretty badass and is with the larger engines. We were just saying the whole Dodge naming scheme sounds cooler than naming a car g37 or e320. People who know someone who knew someone who had a lovely old Dart might have bad memories of the name, but on its surface the name Dart sounds like something that should be pointy and fast. I agree wholeheartedly, then. The stupid alphabet soup names are annoying and usually poorly implemented, to boot. And, yes, "Dart" does sound like something pointy, fast, and nimble, but the name also implies smallness and, to some extent, cheapness. All of which are pretty good descriptions. It's kind of a break from form in that Dodge tends to "repurpose" past model names and use them for different kinds of cars - the Charger, the Aspen, etc.
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davebo posted:That makes a whole lot more sense than something that would only work with an x-box. They advertised it as an Xbox hookup, they probably get a kickback from Microsoft or something.  It doesn't make it any better of an idea, I still can't think of any useful and not terribly distracting use for the RCA sockets.
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Jun 22, 2012 19:12
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Cream_Filling posted:I agree wholeheartedly, then. The stupid alphabet soup names are annoying and usually poorly implemented, to boot. They start systematic and okay but sometimes turn into atrocities like "X3 xDrive28i." Scion had to give up their system for their third car because Volvo already had "XC" trademarked for cars, which is why Scion went xA, xB, tC, xD, iQ, FR-S.
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BonzoESC posted:They start systematic and okay but sometimes turn into atrocities like "X3 xDrive28i." I've brought it up before, but right now the worst offenders in my head for nonsensical alphabet soups are Acura and Lincoln. Scion can get away with it, I think, because they have so few models at a time.
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Cream_Filling posted:I've brought it up before, but right now the worst offenders in my head for nonsensical alphabet soups are Acura and Lincoln. Apparently BMW is going to alter their model lineup to odd series signifying sedans and even series signifying coupe and verts. Talk about clusterfuck.
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travisray2004 posted:Apparently BMW is going to alter their model lineup to odd series signifying sedans and even series signifying coupe and verts. Talk about clusterfuck. Makes more sense than their current schema.
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travisray2004 posted:Apparently BMW is going to alter their model lineup to odd series signifying sedans and even series signifying coupe and verts. Talk about clusterfuck. And they've already hosed up that scheme with the 6-series GranCoupe.
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Guinness posted:And they've already hosed up that scheme with the 6-series GranCoupe. I think they're calling it a "four-door coupe." Which is kind of dumb, but consistent.
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KozmoNaut posted:Competent well-handling small car platform with a perky engine and good gas mileage.
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Cream_Filling posted:I think they're calling it a "four-door coupe." Which is kind of dumb, but consistent. Wasn't the 6-series essentially a 5-series coupe to start with? This is like the Explorer Sport-trac: A pickup truck... based on an SUV... based on a pickup truck. Congratulations, you've invented a Ford Ranger!
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travisray2004 posted:Apparently BMW is going to alter their model lineup to odd series signifying sedans and even series signifying coupe and verts. Talk about clusterfuck. Haven't people been harping on about this for at least 10 years?
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grover posted:No, that's what I want to see. Instead, we got a Giulietta that's larger and heavier and with softened suspension. There are worse cars out there, for sure, but is it too much to hope for the manufacturers to roll out actual light weight compact sporty cars with perky engines? Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'd love to see more manufacturers come out with small sporty cars like the Miata and BRZ/FR-S, but with inexpensive powerful engines like you can get on a $23 Mustang. Is that too much to hope for? Or will we forever be given econoboxes with body kits? lmao if you think stuffing a 300HP motor in a chassis the size of a miata/brz while maintaining the handling qualities that make those cars fun to drive is even close to possible for the amount of money those econoboxes with body kits are going for.
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Crustashio posted:Haven't people been harping on about this for at least 10 years? I think they are finally doing it starting with the F30 Coupe which will be a 4 and M4.
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