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snipe

# ? Jun 28, 2012 04:12

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# ? May 9, 2024 20:45

Sniep: Mar 28, 2004; All I needed was that fatty blunt...

King of Breakfast

sup?

# ? Jun 28, 2012 04:13

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dont worry i've got one for you. just need someone to bump the cat thread.... :twisted:

# ? Jun 28, 2012 04:20

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

Ronald Raiden posted:

UA wildcats

please move out of your dirt and rock human-broiler known as tucson

# ? Jun 28, 2012 05:12

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Scheme looks really neat, i like simple and elegant things so i think i might like Scheme.

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it only to inevitably come to the conclusion that it sucks when i could spend that time eating lard and watching anime instead

# ? Jun 28, 2012 14:09

Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

i knew a guy who used scheme... later i saw him kissing a man(!)

# ? Jun 28, 2012 14:11

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

scheme is a "functional" language

# ? Jun 28, 2012 14:13

PrBacterio: Jul 19, 2000

Mr Dog posted:

Scheme looks really neat, i like simple and elegant things so i think i might like Scheme.

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it only to inevitably come to the conclusion that it sucks when i could spend that time eating lard and watching anime instead

Scheme is precisely as you described it. It is also utterly worthless for doing anything practical with. It's still worth to learn it though, because it'll teach you ways how things can be done in simple and elegant ways.

# ? Jun 28, 2012 14:13

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Mr Dog posted:

Scheme looks really neat, i like simple and elegant things so i think i might like Scheme.

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it only to inevitably come to the conclusion that it sucks when i could spend that time eating lard and watching anime instead

- lots of different implementations, not ever fully compatible
- people in the scheme community still complain about R5RS and R6RS, basically a debate of 'elegance vs. practicality' while they're now writing R7RS which is basically "okay let's do both"
- seems to be hardly practical or in extended use

Personally I'd go for Racket over most Scheme implementations. Racket is basically a scheme-derivative. The guys behind PLT Scheme (a learning language initially, so it has great tutorials) kind of got fed up with the standardization process behind Schemes, decided to take their platform, call it Racket, and run with it.

It's got a crapload of interesting concepts (fully customizeable pattern matching, actors, stats stuff, sublanguages, etc.), it's keeping PLaneT for libraries, uses their own version of Dr.Scheme (which is a really nifty IDE), give you JIT, a statically typed version of the language usable on a per-module basis, and so on.

Here's a pic of Dr.Racket/Dr.Scheme's IDE, and it also shows how you can display graphical stuff along with the executing code (the arrows are part of what the IDE does when inspecting/displaying stack traces):

As soon as I'm done with the Erlang book and whatnot, I'm most certainly going to be spending a little bit more time scheming things up with Racket, but mostly as a toy language for fun.

MononcQc fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 28, 2012

# ? Jun 28, 2012 15:28

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Mr Dog posted:

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it only to inevitably come to the conclusion that it sucks when i could spend that time eating lard and watching anime instead

Go learn clojure since you're a jvm weenie

# ? Jun 28, 2012 18:52

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

Mr Dog posted:

Scheme looks really neat, i like simple and elegant things so i think i might like Scheme.

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it only to inevitably come to the conclusion that it sucks when i could spend that time eating lard and watching anime instead

lisp would be cool if there was some way to learn it without becoming an rear end in a top hat

# ? Jun 28, 2012 18:53

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Shameproof posted:

i knew a guy who used scheme... ()

# ? Jun 28, 2012 19:53

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

graph posted:

please move out of your dirt and rock human-broiler known as tucson

yea im working on it, now that I graduated im planning to leave around the end of this year

# ? Jun 28, 2012 20:35

HORATIO HORNBLOWER: Sep 21, 2002; no ambition,
no talent,
no chance

trapped in southern arizona, pls send help and/or non government jobs

# ? Jun 28, 2012 21:22

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

HORATIO HORNBLOWER posted:

trapped in southern arizona, pls send help

here u go man

http://www.uhaul.com/Locations/Tumacacori-AZ-85640/Results

# ? Jun 28, 2012 21:46

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

i'm giving a talk to rubyists about my ~~python library~~, new ruby library.

in avoiding writing my talk, i've ported it to ruby. i'm pretty happy about that :toot:

code:

require "glyph"
s = Glyph.get(ARGV[0])
q= s.Queue('butt')
q.push('butts')
p q.pop()

code:

require "glyph"
require "rack"

$queues = {}

class Service < Glyph::Router
  class Queue < Glyph::Resource
    def initialize(name)
      @name = name
    end

    def push(a)
      if not $queues[@name]
        $queues[@name] = []
      end
      $queues[@name].push(a)
    end

    def pop
      $queues[@name].pop
    end
  end
end

Rack::Handler::WEBrick.run(Service.new, :Port => 12344)

it's duck typed :toot:

tef fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jun 29, 2012

# ? Jun 29, 2012 00:46

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

Ronald Raiden posted:

yea im working on it, now that I graduated im planning to leave around the end of this year

i know, do it

# ? Jun 29, 2012 05:29

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

Mr Dog posted:

YOSPOS plz tell me why Scheme sucks because I don't want to waste a year of my life learning it

you'll learn scheme the language thoroughly in about 2 days simply by going through a good tutorial like the little schemer/practiced schemer

getting the hang of thinking recursively about everything will take longer but that will transfer over to every other language you ever use so it won't be wasted time imo

# ? Jun 29, 2012 08:07

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

how many languages actually do tail call optimization, besides god's language Lua that is

# ? Jun 29, 2012 08:31

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

ALL OF THEM

# ? Jun 29, 2012 09:08

0xB16B00B5: Aug 24, 2006; by Y Kant Ozma Post

erlang, because erlang is literally the best

# ? Jun 29, 2012 12:57

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

tinselt0wn posted:

erlang, because erlang is literally the best

# ? Jun 29, 2012 13:32

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

tef posted:

i'm giving a talk to rubyists about my ~~python library~~, new ruby library.

in avoiding writing my talk, i've ported it to ruby. i'm pretty happy about that :toot:

code:

require "glyph"
s = Glyph.get(ARGV[0])
q= s.Queue('butt')
q.push('butts')
p q.pop()

code:

require "glyph"
require "rack"

$queues = {}

class Service < Glyph::Router
  class Queue < Glyph::Resource
    def initialize(name)
      @name = name
    end

    def push(a)
      if not $queues[@name]
        $queues[@name] = []
      end
      $queues[@name].push(a)
    end

    def pop
      $queues[@name].pop
    end
  end
end

Rack::Handler::WEBrick.run(Service.new, :Port => 12344)

it's duck typed :toot:

"ill use a global variable called "queues"" - tef

# ? Jun 29, 2012 13:33

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

I think you can also do queues = Array.new{[]} to set a default

# ? Jun 29, 2012 13:34

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

ahhh spiders posted:

tail call optimization

"sup girl what you doin tonight"

# ? Jun 29, 2012 14:31

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

BonzoESC posted:

"ill use a global variable called "queues"" - tef

yep, the server mapper code doesn't have state between requests. it's kept at the client.

in reality we hide a bunch of stored procs behind those objects, but I can't be arsed to write a full service.

:toot:

# ? Jun 29, 2012 15:08

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

Jonny 290 posted:

"sup girl what you doin tonight"

hahahah

# ? Jun 29, 2012 15:09

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Jonny 290 posted:

"sup girl what you doin tonight"

# ? Jun 29, 2012 20:16

salted hash browns: Mar 26, 2007; ykrop

Jonny 290 posted:

"sup girl what you doin tonight"

# ? Jun 29, 2012 21:51

blorpy: Jan 5, 2005

Jonny 290 posted:

"sup girl what you doin tonight"

# ? Jun 30, 2012 07:29

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

Jonny 290 posted:

Nice!

# ? Jun 30, 2012 08:46

Sang-: Nov 2, 2007

https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556

Submitted in 2002, still unfixed today!

# ? Jul 3, 2012 09:51

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

wont fix: that's nobody's business but the turks

# ? Jul 3, 2012 10:01

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

hey, just so everyone knows php still sucks. I was doing a thing and accidently misspelled a variable and php was just like whatever i don't care I just won't do anything with this unbound variable and then it was hard to figure out why it wasn't working cuz there as no error

# ? Jul 3, 2012 17:53

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

dogpile on php

dunno if this was posted yet

# ? Jul 3, 2012 17:55

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

Ronald Raiden posted:

hey, just so everyone knows php still sucks. I was doing a thing and accidently misspelled a variable and php was just like whatever i don't care I just won't do anything with this unbound variable and then it was hard to figure out why it wasn't working cuz there as no error

dog ur error reporting level is set wrong

# ? Jul 3, 2012 17:55

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

Rufo posted:

dog ur error reporting level is set wrong

It wasn't an error at all though, php is cool with unbound variables and in the place I used it didn't cause an error, it just caused nothing to happen.

I would rather have unbound variables be an error or something.

# ? Jul 3, 2012 17:57

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

it can be logged if you change the error reporting level

# ? Jul 3, 2012 17:58

CaptainMeatpants: Jun 1, 2010

error_reporting(E_ALL);

# ? Jul 3, 2012 18:09

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# ? May 9, 2024 20:45

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

420 use strict; erry day

if you don't your a chump who writes unmaintainable code

# ? Jul 3, 2012 18:10

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