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TiMBuS posted:he asked, unless u think he really wanted to know if everything in perl 5.16 was a 1st class object i feel like a drat leper
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Ronald Raiden posted:on the other hand, python is good, do learn python. learn python never program in it never touch someone else's program in it
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Jul 10, 2012 19:20
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perl's great for getting from "i know this is computable" to the computer actually doing it and sipping on coffee faster e: is python similar in sippitude?
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Jul 10, 2012 19:22
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homercles posted:perl programmers are 2nd class employees see 10 years ago they wrote a bunch of perl scripts that are vital to everything we do so knowing perl makes me p much the aristocracy 'round these parts
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Jul 10, 2012 19:24
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are there any web languages that are least moderately tolerable? i do front end and middleware work and i don't mind using java for the middleware but i'm stuck using flex 4 at work because the big banks still think it's the greatest thing ever and i don't want to maintain legacy webapps forever or learn some useless flavor of the week. i know vanilla js but i haven't used any of the big frameworks.
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Jul 10, 2012 19:28
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everybody tells me ruby when i ask them that
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Jul 10, 2012 19:30
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mjs6643 posted:i know vanilla js but i haven't used any of the big frameworks. jquery is the easiest thing ever, it turns everything in to step-by-step business logic jquery ui is a terrible pile of garbage though
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Jul 10, 2012 19:32
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mjs6643 posted:are there any web languages that are least moderately tolerable? i do front end and middleware work and i don't mind using java for the middleware but i'm stuck using flex 4 at work because the big banks still think it's the greatest thing ever and i don't want to maintain legacy webapps forever or learn some useless flavor of the week. i know vanilla js but i haven't used any of the big frameworks. not really. mvc3 is ok as long as you keep your models simple. a while back i saw this java thing called zk that i wanted to try out cause it was claiming to have a xaml-like for the web, but i never got around to it.
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Jul 10, 2012 19:35
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JawnV6 posted:perl's great for getting from "i know this is computable" to the computer actually doing it and sipping on coffee faster I haven't done much perl, but Python is also good for quickly and easily computering a thing.
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Jul 10, 2012 19:43
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mjs6643 posted:are there any web languages that are least moderately tolerable? i do front end and middleware work and i don't mind using java for the middleware but i'm stuck using flex 4 at work because the big banks still think it's the greatest thing ever and i don't want to maintain legacy webapps forever or learn some useless flavor of the week. i know vanilla js but i haven't used any of the big frameworks. how about that python yo. Get you some django or flask or some poo poo and do up a website
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Jul 10, 2012 19:44
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mjs6643 posted:are there any web languages that are least moderately tolerable? i do front end and middleware work and i don't mind using java for the middleware but i'm stuck using flex 4 at work because the big banks still think it's the greatest thing ever and i don't want to maintain legacy webapps forever or learn some useless flavor of the week. i know vanilla js but i haven't used any of the big frameworks. learn python on django or ruby on rails
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Jul 10, 2012 19:45
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yeah, i thought django would be the way to go since i already know python.
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Jul 10, 2012 20:02
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Shaggar posted:python is bad. dont learn python
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Jul 10, 2012 20:05
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p languages are trash. ruby is an honorary p language
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Jul 10, 2012 20:05
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Tiny Bug Child posted:p languages are trash. ruby is an honorary p language posterity
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Jul 10, 2012 20:08
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Jul 10, 2012 20:53
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tef posted:in before exception that proves the rule ================================= TRUE
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Jul 10, 2012 20:53
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expectation proofs the role
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Jul 10, 2012 21:02
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JawnV6 posted:perl's great for getting from "i know this is computable" to the computer actually doing it and sipping on coffee faster similar but not as much perl you can grow a program from the command line and then into a script. I hear nice things about building large applications in modern perl, amongst the horror stories of inheritance. meanwhile python isn't as easy for the quick hacks but I've found growing python to be less painful. it will never beat perl for disposable programs, but better for hacks you have to revisit.
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Jul 10, 2012 21:03
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i have no idea what scale Real Programmers deal with but here it's anywhere from 10 to 3k LoC in one perl program, ballpark. anything bigger and we break it up or do it another way keep in mind, perl 5.0
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my current work thing is ~20k, about 75% Python, 25% SQL. it's only 18 months old. post the sourciest lines of code you got
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BonzoESC posted:learn python on django or ruby on rails this is a good idea if you like bad languages and bad tools and working with idiots
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tef posted:http://vimeo.com/45474360 welp so I gave a talk.
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Tiny Bug Child posted:p languages are trash. ruby is an honorary p language Shaggar posted:visual studio's debugger sucks a thousand dicks. what is going on
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Shaggar posted:this is a good idea if you like bad languages and bad tools and working with idiots and as you starve to death under a bridge at 24, your last words will be "...at least i refused to work with idiots"
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Jul 10, 2012 22:04
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Necc0 posted:gonna guess that you don't like public speaking. cool talk though if you truly enjoy public speaking you have an inflated ego
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Necc0 posted:gonna guess that you don't like public speaking. cool talk though I'd had three hours of sleep and was quite tired.
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Inverse Icarus posted:what is going on right now i hate it because it skips breakpoints for no reason. but long term visual studio grievances include, but are not limited to: it doesnt error check in real time. the autocomplete isn't context aware. the format blows more goats than the debugger. keyboard shortcuts dont make sense. common commands are hidden, useless commands are on the context menu. it opens files in your project when you click on them once (to highlight them) and probably 100 other things. eclipse does this stuff way better.
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Inverse Icarus posted:what is going on php is the tef posted:exception that proves the rule
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gimmick roll call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5y3NQi_RAY
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tlo are big fans of perl and python and linux in general
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tef posted:I'd had three hours of sleep and was quite tired. it just seems like this is part of your job which if it is you should work on your breathing, you sound tense. in every day convo try to speak from your belly rather than your chest. (I tend to talk really really fast making my mouth dry up and it sounds gross)
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Necc0 posted:i liked the part where you knew how to make a powerpoint slide and actually hold an overarching theme that flowed from one to the next. it's one of those things that youd think everyone could do but it's pretty rare. I practiced. it helps. I ended up in a workshop for giving talks, at a conference, recently. I was told the secret is to write your script before you write slides (the script is on github). that and breaking the talk into three segments: your talk, your talk, and your talk you introduce your talk by giving it in miniature, then expand upon it in 2-3 segments, before closing by repeating your talk in miniature, building on what you've explained. seemed to work. quote:it just seems like this is part of your job which if it is you should work on your breathing, you sound tense. in every day convo try to speak from your belly rather than your chest. I may have nipped outside for ~a smoke~ before talking. I was panicking inside somewhat as I normally talk to a more familiar audience, rather than mostly strangers.
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Tiny Bug Child posted:tell them what you're gonna tell them, tell them, tell them what you told them php in english
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You know tbc and shaggar I think you are both being very narrow minded and gimmickposting, very few languages are outright bad in my opinion, and simply trying to fit any one language, be it java or php or python or haskell or buttfart to ever task is pretty dumb. I think all languages have some merit in the right context. Except for the exception that proves the rule, of course. Php has no merit ever. It just sucks.
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