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VELOUR SPACESUIT posted:So I have been toying around with the idea of allies and figured that nothing would be more hilarious with my IG than Orks. So I made a 2000pt list but I don't know how it will turn out (I don't have the models to actually run this list yet, just a bit of research before actually buying them). You can't take just a HWS, you have to take it within an Infantry Platoon. Heavy Bolter Sponsons aren't really all that useful on a Vendetta, since it's primarily an AT platform. Demolishers are great, but the Multi-Melta sponsons tend to be a waste. Basilisks are fantastic, but I'm not sure how well they do squadroned up. I don't know Orks very well, but taking them as Allies and NOT having a Dakkajet sounds like some sort of sin. Edit: Also, your math must be off in some way, since this doesn't seem to add up to a 2000 point list. Also, you forgot to stick the Meltavets in a Chimera. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Phyresis posted:Well, that random HWS sitting there is illegal. Did you think you could just buy those as Troop choices? That would be pretty cool. A 5-man PBS in a Chimera is worthless. Max squad or don't bother. I have no idea where your 2000 points went, tbqh. I guess the two basilisks, russ, and bw. Oh and your Mek's KFF doesn't extend to your IG vehicles so it's effectively worthless in a mech list. Didn't know that about the HWS, so I HAVE to buy a PCS then? Also, I meant x5 additional psykers, so full 9. So the KFF isn't worth taking that that point? I've never ran Orks so this was mostly a shot in the dark. May have to rearrange some stuff for the PCS...
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:21 |
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With the new grenade rules, is it worth giving Tac Squad sergeants a power fist still? Or should I save 20 points and just give them melta bombs?
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:25 |
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VELOUR SPACESUIT posted:Didn't know that about the HWS, so I HAVE to buy a PCS then? If you want to take regular Guard squads, Special Weapon Squads, Conscripts, or Heavy Weapon Squads, you have to take them within an Infantry Platoon, which must consist of at least 1 Platoon Command Squad and 2 regular Guard squads.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:26 |
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Can Broadsides not take both the rear end and multi-tracker? Have I been cheating this whole time?
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:28 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You can't take just a HWS, you have to take it within an Infantry Platoon. Heavy Bolter Sponsons aren't really all that useful on a Vendetta, since it's primarily an AT platform. Demolishers are great, but the Multi-Melta sponsons tend to be a waste. Basilisks are fantastic, but I'm not sure how well they do squadroned up. I don't know Orks very well, but taking them as Allies and NOT having a Dakkajet sounds like some sort of sin. I put the Basilisks in a squad to free up a heavy support slot for... poo poo, nevermind, at 2000pts+ the force org chart is doubled in 6th, right? I just did the math again and I was actually 25 over 2000. I threw this together in the middle of class so... dammit... I'll take a look at the dakkajet. VELOUR SPACESUIT fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <>SRM posted:You know what you guys need? A motherfuckin battle report.
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ijyt posted:Can Broadsides not take both the rear end and multi-tracker? Have I been cheating this whole time? Yes. Normal dudes can only take one of those, though the team leader can take hard-wirings.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:36 |
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So as far as a Tyranid Skyfire gun goes, what about using bodies from some old 2nd edition Gargoyles and just slapping larger guns on them, tossing them is some sorta niddy gunners chair and have six of them per group? Stupid?
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:45 |
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> you suck at playing this game and you should be embarrassed Did that help?
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:48 |
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7thBatallion posted:So as far as a Tyranid Skyfire gun goes, what about using bodies from some old 2nd edition Gargoyles and just slapping larger guns on them, tossing them is some sorta niddy gunners chair and have six of them per group? Stupid? So the Space Jockey?
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:48 |
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seems like a bad idea e: the legs would work without that weird double-jointed knee
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:49 |
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> Is that at a club/shop or in someone's house? I love the terrain! Since I got into 40K a couple of months ago I've been working on terrain far more than my actual Dark Eldar/CSM, and at this point we can cram the board full of stuff if we wanted to. I liked the field report but the camera work could be a bit better (I'm guessing florescent lights and camera phone, though). I don't know much about either army so it's hard to read/follow all the different units and absorb the tactics, so I rely on the pretty pictures of cool-looking sci-fi dudes. I suppose I'm a bit pampered from MiniWarGaming batreps too!
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:51 |
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Nephilm posted:Yes. Normal dudes can only take one of those, though the team leader can take hard-wirings. Well tits. At least they were only casual games.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 19:57 |
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> Forgot to comment on it the first time around, so I'll take this oppourtunity to tell you that it's awesome, you're awesome, Valhallans are awesome, and we really need more battle reports in this thread in general.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:
I'm mad that someone destroyed a perfectly good Stormtalon in order to create this abomination
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 20:16 |
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Congratulations on the new baby. Thanks Death Guard are tempting, I'd want to see how the new CSM codex pans out, what with that rumour about no cult terminators I think I'm pretty sold on stacks of terminators though and those new plastic plague daemons look pretty sweet too
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 20:17 |
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SRM posted:So the Space Jockey? Lots of little space jockeys in an array. But 'Nids. And with more phallic cannon things. Baruch Obamawitz posted:
Expand the missile racks and it's a CPLT-C3. Now I want to make a combo guard/SM list with all walkers. Kilo147 fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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this troper posted:With the new grenade rules, is it worth giving Tac Squad sergeants a power fist still? Or should I save 20 points and just give them melta bombs? Usually, yes. Power fist let's you get more attacks and you can squish infantry with it (and instant death most things out there). The only time a melta bomb is better is when you need to blow something up with AV 13 or higher if I remember my mathhammer correctly. Still good to take melta bombs though, 5 points to let you smash a land raider is always a good choice. Although now that power axes exist, I wouldn't be surprised if power axe + melta bomb is the best choice for a tact sergeant Fashionable Jorts fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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Putting fists on sergeants is going to depend largely on how important challenges and ICs become in the metagame. The new CSM are going to be a big influence on the average number of combat ICs and challenges you'll see in random pickup games. If the game gets a bit herohammery you are going to want to keep your sergeants naked so that they can make sacrificial plays. It's much harder to keep the power fist safe than it was in 5th edition, but that doesn't mean they won't be usable. It all depends.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 20:29 |
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> Your giant battle report stomped all over my whirly swirly warp gate internet video, so I hate it.
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> I enjoyed it SRM! Especially the wood paneling or whatever that is in the background.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:If you want to take regular Guard squads, Special Weapon Squads, Conscripts, or Heavy Weapon Squads, you have to take them within an Infantry Platoon, which must consist of at least 1 Platoon Command Squad and 2 regular Guard squads. Okay, so are the squads completely separate then, even though you have to buy them together? Like, do my PCS and Infantry Squad have to remain in cohesion? Or if one is shooting at one squad, does everything in the Platoon have to shoot at it? Sorry for the derp, I am still a little new and I have never actually ran a Platoon for my guardsmen, only Vet squads. EDIT for less and content: Fix posted:Your giant battle report stomped all over my whirly swirly warp gate internet video, so I hate it. That is a drat cool project and I am jealous of your talents. Most people would be content with just dropping down a blast template. It is extra stuff like this that makes playing Warhams with creative people really fun. VELOUR SPACESUIT fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 27, 2012 |
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krushgroove posted:Is that at a club/shop or in someone's house? I love the terrain! Since I got into 40K a couple of months ago I've been working on terrain far more than my actual Dark Eldar/CSM, and at this point we can cram the board full of stuff if we wanted to. It is indeed in a club! We've got the room to do a half dozen tables or so, plus enough terrain to furnish them pretty comfortably. I usually do far better camera work and battle reports, but as you said: fluorescent lights and cameraphone. I left my camera at my girlfriend's place last week and haven't gotten it back yet. My typical battle reports have stuff going on where you can see where things moved and what died turn by turn. Here's a picture from the Battle for Crotchshottia: Acebuckeye13 posted:Forgot to comment on it the first time around, so I'll take this oppourtunity to tell you that it's awesome, you're awesome, Valhallans are awesome, and we really need more battle reports in this thread in general. Phyresis posted:I'm mad that someone destroyed a perfectly good Stormtalon in order to create this abomination
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 20:57 |
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most of you guys are talented mofos (granted at something less than useful but hey), and just because we don't comment on cool poo poo doesn't mean we didn't see it!
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:00 |
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I'm just looking for a show of hands here; How many of you would actually care if I modeled and ran my IG Sergeants with lasguns instead of las-pistol/chainsword? It looks nicer, doesn't have a huge advantage (might even have a slight disadvantage) gameplay-wise, is a bit more believable I guess (not that it matters, since I'm writing my own lore as far as my Guard Army goes), and might make wounds and poo poo easier, since everyone has the exact same saves and wargear. I wouldn't be running them in tournaments but that's not something I really care about right now.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:00 |
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Yeah, the crayola crayon missiles are great. The legs are simply amazing. I can imagine how the conversation between the tech-adepts went. I'm sure they wanted to add additional points of failure to the legs for no reason. You know, in order to destroy any aesthetic it could have had.
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VELOUR SPACESUIT posted:Okay, so are the squads completely separate then, even though you have to buy them together? Like, do my PCS and Infantry Squad have to remain in cohesion? Or if one is shooting at one squad, does everything in the Platoon have to shoot at it? Every squad in a Platoon is an independent unit, and as such can fire at different targets, hang out wherever they want, take their own dedicated transports, etc. The only downside is that they all count as an individual KP, which means 9 times out of ten you're going to be at an instant disadvantage in Annihilation type games.
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SRM posted:You guys haven't commented on my battle report and I'm very disappointed in all of you <> Dammit, I was about to make a "DIDNT READ LOL" gif out of this sync kill, and then realized I spent so long looking through dawn of war sync kills that I am about to be late for work. So just imagine that I made it and posted it and was briefly probated for it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:04 |
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Babe Magnet posted:I'm just looking for a show of hands here; Just as long as it's apparent who is the sergeant I'd be alright with it. And fwiw they were allowed to have lasguns until the current codex (or maybe the one before).
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Babe Magnet posted:I'm just looking for a show of hands here; Now that Precision Strikes are now a Thing, you'll have to roll your Sarge separately/a different color anyway. Suck it up and roll 19 dice instead of 20.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:06 |
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Can sergeants even do Precision Strikes? I thought only IC or Special Characters could, which base sergeants are neither, I believe. I just want my dudes to look cool and uniform and pistols/chainswords aren't cuttin' it.nuncle jimbo posted:Just as long as it's apparent who is the sergeant I'd be alright with it. And fwiw they were allowed to have lasguns until the current codex (or maybe the one before). Yeah they have different helmets and a different colored shoulder-pad, so it'd be obvious which dude has the highest leadership. I knew there was some time period everyone had lasguns.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:10 |
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pw pw pw posted:Dammit, I was about to make a "DIDNT READ LOL" gif out of this sync kill, and then realized I spent so long looking through dawn of war sync kills that I am about to be late for work. "Here's the plan you guys. I'm going to crawl up his leg, and then you two propel yourselves languidly toward his face and we all chew together." "Why bother crawling up his leg?" "Shut the gently caress up is why, jerry."
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:10 |
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In other news, anyone remember that C&C "Totally Not a Baneblade" from a few months back? Turns out some Facebook game designer saw that and thought "Gee, I wonder if we could do that, but be even MORE blatant about it!" Personally, I'm just jealous I didn't come up with that paint job first.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:11 |
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Characters can do Precision Strikes, and a Sargent is a character.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:12 |
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Huh. Also that tank is retardedly amazing.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:12 |
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SRM posted:It is indeed in a club! We've got the room to do a half dozen tables or so, plus enough terrain to furnish them pretty comfortably. I usually do far better camera work and battle reports, but as you said: fluorescent lights and cameraphone. I left my camera at my girlfriend's place last week and haven't gotten it back yet. My typical battle reports have stuff going on where you can see where things moved and what died turn by turn. Here's a picture from the Battle for Crotchshottia: Yeah that is way better with the movement arrows and kills - I didn't mean to sound down on your batrep though I usually take pictures of our games but with the terrain half-painted and the armies either proxied or barely painted they don't look too impressive yet. But soon! I hope.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:44 |
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have hit full retard. These rules make me so sad sometimes.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 21:58 |
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Even if you use this hammy interpretation of the rules, is a Rhino behind an ADL that big of a deal? It's not like static defenses had any problem finding cover in 5th.
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# ? Jul 27, 2012 22:10 |
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So wait, it says that the 6th edition diagram doesn't include the top of the diagram, but neither does the 5th edition one. Doesn't getting shot from the top have it's own section in the rule book, like it always has? It's like side or back armor, or whatever. You can clearly see the top without any cover, so that's a clean hit. I don't think vehicles have ever technically had "top armor", so you'd just use a non-covered side or back armor value. Even if it had aegis on all four sides, you'd still clearly see the top from the skimmer's point of view, which is not in cover.
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