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Tiny Bug Child posted:they have already solved this one but you're too dumb to use the solution they jammed it inside a kitchen sink function in an external library. that's doubly baffling because it would fit right in with the rest of the php standard library
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reminder, the adage is "everything but the kitchen sink" indicating a set that specifically excludes the sink and not that the kitchen sink itself is somehow a universal set that includes everything 
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php has official external libraries? gently caress i thought they just crammed everything in the standard lib with no rhyme or reason to the naming scheme
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abraham linksys posted:php has official external libraries? gently caress i thought they just crammed everything in the standard lib with no rhyme or reason to the naming scheme it's like PEAR but apparently the modules are written in C? which is pretty frightening when you consider the average PHP programmer
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Aug 5, 2012 22:32
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vapid cutlery posted:i guess web development doesn't have enough hard problems that php users love re-solving solved problems thats a common thing in all web/toy languages
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Aug 5, 2012 23:25
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i mean you've gotta do something with them right? might as well half-finish another xml parser
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Aug 5, 2012 23:26
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Shaggar posted:thats a common thing in all web/toy languages did u think about that
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Gazpacho posted:every language was a toy language ... once java still is (it's duplos, for babbies that aren't old enough for legos yet)
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Aug 6, 2012 00:10
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java is the best language b/c it actually got out of the toy stage. unlike all web "languages" (ex: javascript) or p-languages
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java at least has a debugger
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javascript is good for what it was designed to do: popping up and then closing browser windows. doing anything else w/ it is just wrong
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Shaggar posted:javascript is good for what it was designed to do: popping up and then closing browser windows. doing anything else w/ it is just wrong shaggar was right
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Aug 6, 2012 00:17
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gucci void main posted:shaggar was right
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shaggar is only right when he defends the windows platform against webdev children who ignore it because it's not hip
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Gazpacho posted:shaggar is only right when he defends the windows platform against webdev children who ignore it because it's not hip it being expensive is a good enough reason
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Aug 6, 2012 01:39
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last week i had a phone screen with a webdev and was trying to explain a project i had worked on by analogy to Windows GDI, he didn't know what that was and i was like what the gently caress are you doing in my industry
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Gazpacho posted:last week i had a phone screen with a webdev and was trying to explain a project i had worked on by analogy to Windows GDI, he didn't know what that was and i was like what the gently caress are you doing in my industry why would you just assume that someone has used GDI?
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i didn't assume it i asked him
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oh he didn't even know what it was. that's kind of funny but understandable
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Aug 6, 2012 01:42
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whoever asked about learning clojure: clojure programming is really good, especially if you work thru 4clojure stuff alongside it.
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etcetera08 posted:whoever asked about learning clojure: clojure programming is really good, especially if you work thru 4clojure stuff alongside it. that was me thank you
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etcetera08 posted:whoever asked about learning clojure: clojure programming is really good, especially if you work thru 4clojure stuff alongside it. Beyond all the other cool stuff Clojure offers, it's new "reducers" which provide auto-parallelizable collections is an unbelievable killer feature. Details here; http://clojure.com/blog/2012/05/08/reducers-a-library-and-model-for-collection-processing.html It's the first time I've run across a solid example where you can code at the speed of something like Ruby, and in a broad range of cases get better performance than normal C code. As always, your own mileage may vary though.
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Meiwaku posted:Beyond all the other cool stuff Clojure offers, it's new "reducers" which provide auto-parallelizable collections is an unbelievable killer feature. faster than parallel C?
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vapid cutlery posted:faster than parallel C? jit can be pretty magical
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Meiwaku posted:Beyond all the other cool stuff Clojure offers, it's new "reducers" which provide auto-parallelizable collections is an unbelievable killer feature. stuff like this makes me excited about clojure but it also makes me worry that they'll keep adding in more random academic poo poo instead of making docs and error handling that aren't terrible
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Stringent posted:use Hash::Util 'lock_keys'; not sure if ur serious, but yes it helps catch typos if you decide to use a hash as an object. nowadays id probably use a moose object but w/e.
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I mean look at this poo pooquote:index
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how is clojure faster than java faster than c?
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salted hash browns posted:how is clojure faster than java faster than c? Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Aug 6, 2012 |
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vapid cutlery posted:faster than parallel C? No, certainly not. Writing high-performance parallel C/C++ code is in many cases like writing assembly code that's faster than what the C compiler produces. If you invest in that level of optimization you'll get the speed boost, but in many cases it's just not worth it. Anything you can do in Clojure you can likely do faster in C/C++, but with a lot more work. Just like anything you can do in C/C++ you can do faster in assembly, but with a lot more work. You may remember similar discussions between the C and assembly guys in the mid-1980s. It's just another tool for the toolbox, since there is no one tool that's best for everything.
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Meiwaku posted:No, certainly not. grand central dispatch
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Police Academy III posted:I mean look at this poo poo I think you're looking for this; http://clojuredocs.org/clojure_core/clojure.set/index The function doc strings are great when you're already familiar with the language, but sites with examples are better suited for when you're getting started. I find this is true for many different languages/systems, and is one reason why you have both the Camel and the Llama book for PERL.
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Gazpacho posted:because jvm languages defer the final translation to machine code until runtime and therefore leave some flexibility as to how that happens. whereas with C the runtime generally just gets the machine code and has to pretend to execute it instruction by instruction yeah thats the theory.
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i figured i should get to know objc/cocoa whats a good babbys guide 2 objc/cocoa
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posting to say that clojure owns and has made programming fun again as has not reading for a degree in cs
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Milkie Galore posted:posting to say that clojure owns and has made programming fun again i wish i had dumped cs before graduatin
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Milkie Galore posted:as has not reading for a degree in cs Socracheese fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Aug 6, 2012 |
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cleanhands posted:i figured i should get to know objc/cocoa whats a good babbys guide 2 objc/cocoa learn C first
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Meiwaku posted:I think you're looking for this; it's nice that someone is working on making the docs less lovely, but
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