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Toady posted:learn C first no don't objc/cocoa has its own way of working with strings that at first seams clumsier than c but is probably also better (i don't know enough objc to be sure but c strings are one of the worst things mankind has made in the last fifty years)
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tef posted:the clojure guy thinks it is a bad thing iirc not necessarily bad, just more complex than polymorphism and generic programming
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Socracheese posted:Summer is almost over so time to halt my actual programming learning to deal with cs degree stuff. What really rustles my jimmies is the boring stuff taught in advanced calculus that has no practical application, instead of teaching like just one python class. I just need my degree for inane establishment nepotism reasons I don't give a poo poo about 18th century bullshit methods of calculating planes intersecting with cones. should have gone to trade school i guess
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vapid cutlery posted:should have gone to trade school i guess yeah but I want to make money also lol trade school in the USA
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Aug 6, 2012 20:34
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Socracheese posted:yeah but I want to make money also lol trade school in the USA do you seriously think people who work in a trade don't make money
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Aug 6, 2012 20:36
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vapid cutlery posted:do you seriously think people who work in a trade don't make money I seriously think that programmers in the USA unarguably make more money if they have a CS degree regardless of how applicable it is
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Socracheese posted:I seriously think that programmers in the USA unarguably make more money if they have a CS degree regardless of how applicable it is Lol electricians and plumbers make bank, as long as they don't suck
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true. also its not like theres this huge glut of freshly degreed 22 year olds that are willing to work for free b/c their boomer parents are terrified of dying alone and let them live at home for free
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Socracheese posted:I seriously think that programmers in the USA unarguably make more money if they have a CS degree regardless of how applicable it is you literally couldn't be more wrong
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i wish i wasn't a programmer
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Jonny 290 posted:true. also its not like theres this huge glut of freshly degreed 22 year olds that are willing to work for free b/c their boomer parents are terrified of dying alone and let them live at home for free gucci void main posted:you literally couldn't be more wrong vapid cutlery posted:i wish i wasn't a programmer
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Aug 6, 2012 20:46
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Socracheese posted:Summer is almost over so time to halt my actual programming learning to deal with cs degree stuff. What really rustles my jimmies is the boring stuff taught in advanced calculus that has no practical application, instead of teaching like just one python class. Advanced calculus is useful, I used advanced calculus at my job the other day. I forget exactly what it was for but I think it was for winning an argument with coworkers about a math problem. NO WAIT it was not for that, it was for estimating the difficulty of attacking a uuid generation scheme we were going to use because solving it myself was easier than looking up the answer. Edit: Yes I'm pretty sure I can confirm that anybody who signs up for specific language classes is not a real person, they're just philosophical zombies. Why would a person want to sit in a classroom and be explained a language to them like a retard when they could just learn it on their own? It makes no sense. Go to trade school oh wait you're already going to one. Edit II: Yes I did use advanced calculus, I was partially differentiating poo poo. shrughes fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 6, 2012 |
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Aug 6, 2012 20:50
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Socracheese posted:I.. I'm wrong according to sulk? My life no longer has direction tradesmen always have been and always will be more important/necessary than software developers until there are literal robots that independently can do those tasks (hint: not in our lifetimes) like trex said, if you are actually worth your salt you will make bank
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Aug 6, 2012 20:51
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the welding market is often in flux, but you can mig a lot of money as long as you're comfortable with acetylene for sometimes-hazardous work conditions
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It reminds me of when I was taking a summer program in high school in which the 'programming' classes used Scheme. And all the babbies were like, "How is this practical for me" as an excuse to ignore the fact that they couldn't understand recursion. Then we did some more practical programming and lo and behold, the people who actually got poo poo done weren't the ones whining about Scheme.
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Cocoa Crispies posted:no don't yes, cocoa provides string objects, why is that a reason not to know c? you need to know c because you will be working with c types, pointers, functions, structs, CoreFoundation, etc. objective-c is nothing more than plain c with an object runtime and messaging syntax
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Aug 6, 2012 20:58
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shrughes posted:Go to trade school oh wait you're already going to one. But yeah I guess now that I think about it a python class is kinda dumb and I did learn a bunch of neat stuff in my C classes even though I never use C for anything.
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Aug 6, 2012 21:03
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Socracheese posted:Well you're an android dev right, this is normal i do and have developed for multiple platforms
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Aug 6, 2012 21:04
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all the whining about being a programmer and how much the industry sucks is pretty funny to me, a (admittedly naive) 22 yr old who is jumping from his english major at a liberal arts school to a cs minor and self teaching a buncha other poo poo so i can actually get a job. knowing how to program puts you in a much better financial position than a lot of other skills, at least in the usa.
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Aug 6, 2012 21:48
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etcetera08 posted:all the whining about being a programmer and how much the industry sucks is pretty funny to me, a (admittedly naive) 22 yr old who is jumping from his english major at a liberal arts school to a cs minor and self teaching a buncha other poo poo so i can actually get a job. knowing how to program puts you in a much better financial position than a lot of other skills, at least in the usa.
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Former english major here to drop some science on y'all,
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etcetera08 posted:all the whining about being a programmer and how much the industry sucks is pretty funny to me, a (admittedly naive) 22 yr old who is jumping from his english major at a liberal arts school to a cs minor and self teaching a buncha other poo poo so i can actually get a job. knowing how to program puts you in a much better financial position than a lot of other skills, at least in the usa. lol if you go to college to learn how to program
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graph posted:lol if you go to college to learn how to program well yeah, but i was already here and it provides a good foundation. i'm not staying to get a full cs degree at least.
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Aug 6, 2012 21:59
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etcetera08 posted:all the whining about being a programmer and how much the industry sucks is pretty funny to me, a (admittedly naive) 22 yr old who is jumping from his english major at a liberal arts school to a cs minor and self teaching a buncha other poo poo so i can actually get a job. knowing how to program puts you in a much better financial position than a lot of other skills, at least in the usa. drat guys, let's all shut up about unpaid overtime
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oh man, i could work in my pajamas? sign me up
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ya ya scoff at me b/c i probably deserve it but learning how to program has put me in a much better position for my future life is all i'm sayin
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etcetera08 posted:all the whining about being a programmer and how much the industry sucks is pretty funny to me, a (admittedly naive) 22 yr old who is jumping from his english major at a liberal arts school to a cs minor and self teaching a buncha other poo poo so i can actually get a job. knowing how to program puts you in a much better financial position than a lot of other skills, at least in the usa. yeah pretty much if you're an unemployed person who can program your only excuse is that you're living in the wrong place
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Aug 6, 2012 22:03
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graph posted:lol if you go to college to learn how to program I went to college to learn how incredibly dumb smart people can be.
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Socracheese posted:Dumb poo poo. I just want to let you know that because of your apathy towards advanced mathematics and your use of the phrase "rustles my jimmies," I've called my colleagues and had you blacklisted from all major bay area programming jobs. Saves them the trouble of interviewing you and you the trouble of failing an interview for both personal and technical reasons, so everybody wins.
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you've gotta be pretty bad to get blacklisted from the failed startup capital of the world
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lol 22 year old still in college who has it all figured out
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Aug 6, 2012 23:48
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Cocoa Crispies posted:yeah pretty much if you're an unemployed person who can program your only excuse is that you're living in the wrong place i need to learn how to program good
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Aug 6, 2012 23:48
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i have pretty much 0 idea how to program correctly and i got a PO for $20,000 today...?
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abraham linksys posted:i need to learn how to program good eh, i wouldn't stress on it unbridled problem-solving ability has a place even if you don't do things The Right Way
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JawnV6 posted:eh, i wouldn't stress on it apparently he can't solve of the problem of figuring out how to not be a bad programmer tho
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buttcoin smuggler posted:apparently he can't solve of the problem of figuring out how to not be a bad programmer tho all programmers are bad
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Aug 6, 2012 23:56
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buttcoin smuggler posted:I just want to let you know that because of your apathy towards advanced mathematics and your use of the phrase "rustles my jimmies," I've called my colleagues and had you blacklisted from all major bay area programming jobs. Sergei... is that you ???
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0xB16B00B5 posted:lol 22 year old still in college who has it all figured out i'm working as a cashier at a gas station, i ain't got anything figured out
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me be happy with my life? what am I, a billionaire?
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gucci void main posted:like trex said, if you are actually worth your salt you will make bank  MY MERITOCRACY
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