p-lang thread: (now (have you (problems two)))

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Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Shaggar posted:

the code clarity rules are basically: "dont do all those stupid loving obfuscation hacks they taught you in that 'functional'/p-language"

of the 31 items, one is tenuously related to functional programming and the other 30 are unrelated. grats

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Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

pretty much all of them have to do with verifiability of things at compile time and avoiding operations the could conceivably block or take longer than expected. good luck not doing any dynamic allocation in java!

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:07

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

shaggar probably didn't read the code rules

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:08

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

I didn't either

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:09

cleanhands: Jun 9, 2010; My opinions, though not completely awful are expressed in a tiresome and needlessly aggressive way. Please help me to chill out.

i need explicit standards bc i have none of my own :rms:

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:15

PrBacterio: Jul 19, 2000

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

quote:
1.) No compiler warnings/errors. Compilers are the things that turn the C programming language (which is more or less human readable) into the actual executable code used by the processors which isn't very human readable. The compilers have a large number of checks and warnings they can generate before compiling code as basic sanity checks. For your poo poo to make it into the codebase not a single warning or error can be thrown by the compiler even if that warning or error is, in fact, the compiler being wrong. This can be uncommon because the compilers with all their warnings turned on (And they have a LOT of warnings) are pretty hard to satisfy for some things. Most places are "compiles without any explicit errors and oh maybe this warning subset." The we don't care that its the compiler being wrong, fix it anyway is a check against people outsmarting themselves, i.e. believing its a compiler problem when in fact they didn't think of something.

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers and their various versions aren't even in agreement over what constructs they should complain about or if they should do so when they're present/missing. Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:18

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

PrBacterio posted:

Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

bbbbbbbbbut it might be ******unclear******* to the person we hire to try to do your job for half the price in a couple years! Please document your code well so that we may easily outsource it after youve done all the real work

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:20

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Otto Skorzeny posted:

of the 31 items, one is tenuously related to functional programming and the other 30 are unrelated. grats

its msotly about getting rid of dumb poo poo where the flow of the code is not instantly obvious. those are things you just cant do in java b/c the creators were smart enough to leave useless obfuscations out.

the type of obfuscations you pick up from bad-habit-forming languages like p-languages or "functional" languages. they're obviously programming in c so while it may not have the exact same concepts as those languages, it gives the user enough rope to hang themselves.

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:20

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

JPL Institutional Coding Standard for the C Programming Language

good use of the term "mission critical" in this doc

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:20

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

PrBacterio posted:

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers

yeah we have one loving shot to get this to another goddamn planet, let's switch it up to gcc 3.4.3 because we really need to swap the compiler 8 or 9 times instead of just sticking to ONE that works

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:24

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

bbb.b.bbbb.butt gcc 3.2.3 adds more pre-processing for me to abuse!!

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:25

Necc0: Jun 30, 2005; by exmarx; Broken Cake

graph posted:

lol if you go to college to learn how to program

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:26

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Jonny 290 posted:

bbbbbbbbbut it might be ******unclear******* to the person we hire to try to do your job for half the price in a couple years! Please document your code well so that we may easily outsource it after youve done all the real work

it might be unclear to you when you look at it in a month, that's why

"Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?" - brian kernighan

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:29

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

PrBacterio posted:

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers and their various versions aren't even in agreement over what constructs they should complain about or if they should do so when they're present/missing. Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

don't worry, #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs aren't allowed either

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:32

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

lol look at all you hating on the loving jpl, go inhale some cheetos nerds

# ? Aug 8, 2012 18:55

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

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"it's george costanza" ?>

Mr Dog posted:

If you need explicit coding standards then your development team consists of either idiots or prima donnas, congrats

that's a really dumb thing to say

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:07

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

tef posted:

but yeah, assuming you don't have to do database stuff, user authentication, management,

and all you're doing is writing a bunch of html templates in ascii or latin-1.

then, yeah php is pretty easy. it's probably the easiest way to write a cgi-bin script.

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:07

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

velocity is better for templating

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:09

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

PrBacterio posted:

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers and their various versions aren't even in agreement over what constructs they should complain about or if they should do so when they're present/missing. Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

lol if you think they are using anything remotely close to the latest version

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:10

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

PrBacterio posted:

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers and their various versions aren't even in agreement over what constructs they should complain about or if they should do so when they're present/missing. Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

When you have one chance to do a thing that costs billions of dollars you better loving make sure everything checks out.

also,

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

lol look at all you hating on the loving jpl, go inhale some cheetos nerds

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:10

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

vapid cutlery posted:

lol if you think they are using anything remotely close to the latest version

if they're just doing ansi c it doesn't matter

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:15

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

lol look at all you hating on the loving jpl, go inhale some cheetos nerds

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:15

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

PrBacterio posted:

Have fun adding a bunch of pointless new checks and hakcs, each time when updating/changing compilers, and then removing them again for the very next version; -- or alternatively -- using a huge steaming pile of #ifdef COMPILER_VERSIONs, because lots of times compilers and their various versions aren't even in agreement over what constructs they should complain about or if they should do so when they're present/missing. Oh and also lots of superfluous brackets because apparently actually using the language's precedence rules is for scrubs.

I know Jawn already told you why you're a loving idiot, but let me just add that you're mentally damaged if you think chaning compilers used for an already functioning project is a reasonable thing to do.

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:20

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Cocoa Crispies posted:

if they're just doing ansi c it doesn't matter

We need to upgrade to gcc 4.7 and also patch in autovectorization support for our 16-bit microcontroller build target

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:21

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

quote:

If a function (say my function is AddTwoNumbers(x,y) - which adds X + Y and returns the value) sends something back to you. You must check that number before doing anything with it.

In our example AddTwoNumbers would check the values of X & Y to make sure they fall in the bounds of the type before doing anything with them.

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:33

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

Gazpacho posted:

what's wrong with that?

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:51

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Nomnom Cookie posted:

We need to upgrade to gcc 4.7 and also patch in autovectorization support for our 16-bit microcontroller build target

it's actually a 32-bit powerpc just like my olde ibook

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

no wonder its so slow and expensive

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:52

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

vapid cutlery posted:

what's wrong with that?

heh remember when php tried to check for arithmetic overflow using the same types they were adding and then switched to floating point instead

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:55

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

no one here has any experience with anything close to what jpl does except maybe jawn. ok cya

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:56

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

Gazpacho posted:

in the context they are using it that actually makes perfect sense

# ? Aug 8, 2012 19:57

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

vapid cutlery posted:

what's wrong with that?

1) that isn't what "check the return value" means, it's referring to status codes and such and not cargo-cult double checks that the function you just called works at all

2) if(i > INT_MAX) :downs:

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Aug 8, 2012

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:01

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

vapid cutlery posted:

no one here has any experience with anything close to what jpl does except maybe jawn. ok cya

i know crazy poo poo happens in space but if you cant even trust your ALU then you better shield that poo poo until you can

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:02

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

most of the c in curiosity is written by python programs: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/159687

Gazpacho posted:

i know crazy poo poo happens in space but if you cant even trust your ALU then you better shield that poo poo until you can

they do but it's still an issue

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:07

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

just use a transputer im p sure theyre approved for space

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:07

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

just use a thin client

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:09

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

if you want to watch retards argue pedantics about curiosity here is the link for you: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4348448

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:09

vapid cutlery

Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

it's cool how tihs always happens. some company or govt body that has been doing things successfully for over 50 years shares some insight into how they do things, and goons come out of everywhere to tell them they're wrong

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:14

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trex eaterofcadrs posted:

lol look at all you hating on the loving jpl, go inhale some cheetos nerds

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:16

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gangnam reference: Dec 26, 2010; shut up idiot shut up idiot shut up idiot shut up idiot

its ok i know more about space programming and everything they've experienced in the past trust me i got this "Fuckin jpl nerds dont do it that way"

# ? Aug 8, 2012 20:17

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