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Krad posted:What P4 needed was an ending just like Clue's. That would've fixed everything. This is the best post. Now to add some more to this series of CIA-classified posts! IIRC, Dojima being the originally intended killer was mentioned in the art book, or maybe the fanbook, next to some concept art, but as I don't have it with me, I can't fact check that. Now, I agree with the sentiment that the reveal of Adachi being the killer could have been handled a bit better storywise. I would argue that Adachi as a character is not written badly, as he is very obviously a sociopath. A very significant aspect of people with sociopathic personalities is that they view themselves as incredibly superior to the people around them, and derive joy in "faking" being normal while secretly sabotaging those around them. It's not unheard of for a sociopathic killer to have secretly have committed murders unbeknownst to even those closest to them, so I'm willing to give Atlus a pass on that. Unfortunately, like a lot of the Persona 4 late-game revelations, it's a good concept on paper and when analyzed, but in execution it's clumsy. Really, Persona 4 is a super enjoyable game despite some of the plot weaknesses, but I've often wondered how much better its story might have been if the development team had more than an 18-month development cycle from concept to finish. Ravana posted:It's a game about murder. It should be uncomfortable. Certainly that's how the NPCs treat it (Adachi vomiting in the beginning, the entire Hanged Man line, etc.), but that never really comes across to the players ourselves. I think the original killer would have done a much better job of making the player feel the same way the characters do. Actually, the, "YAAAAAY! Let's catch a serial killer!"  " dichotomy was something that actually really worked for me as the viewer seeing that one of the core themes of the game is how truth is reflected in the media. The game is both very bright and exciting, but underneath are things that are dark and nauseating. On news media in real life, there's no block of stories just for the dark stuff, it's all mixed together, switching from say, a murder to the weather. And in between are entertaining commercials. Adachi as the killer works in the regard that he is both emotionally distant and emotionally close, rather like the way media makes you feel.Cityinthesea posted:Persona 4 If Dojima was the killer then Nanako would have NO ONE and you guys are all terrible why do you hate Nanako If you think about it, maybe Atlus did us all a service by writing that reveal the way they did. Just think of all the horrible fanwork that could have come from the concept of The protagonist's family adopting Nanako and the MC grooming her to become his girlfriend. 
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Catalina posted:If you think about it, maybe Atlus did us all a service by writing that reveal the way they did. Just think of all the horrible fanwork that could have come from the concept of The protagonist's family adopting Nanako and the MC grooming her to become his girlfriend. I was going to say by the way Yu acts act the end of the game when you revisit everyone before you leave, he clearly is not comfortable with the idea, then I saw you said fanwork and now I dread as much as you do. 
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Aug 23, 2012 05:39
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TurnipFritter posted:Do you mean game or do you mean glorified spell effect that takes the form of a mythological entity? What is this? And what is this from? Edit: Wow I found it. http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Yamaoka This thing is honestly the greatest demon I've ever seen.
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Aug 23, 2012 05:40
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Grand Gigas posted:What is this? And what is this from? It's Nanjou Kei's ultimate Persona in Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. (It is his deceased butler) (The butler died fighting zombies at the beginning of Persona 1)
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Aug 23, 2012 05:42
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TurnipFritter posted:It's Nanjou Kei's ultimate Persona in Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. Welp, I was gonna post Frost Ace from SMT: Strange Journey or Cereberus from SMT I & II, but I doubt anything can top this.
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Grand Gigas posted:What is this? And what is this from? Black Frost is still better. 
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Aug 23, 2012 06:17
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Atlus needs to make Lucifroz a persona already. Only good thing to come from Demikids
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Speaking of Murders, guess who just killed P4A's chances in Europe? Seriously, Zen have confirmed that it's only going to be a straight up port (with no European language options) over of the US Version with the region code changed. It shouldn't be that hard. But you know what else isn't that hard? Me cancelling my pre-order, making it clear though all channels that I will by pre-owned and pre-ordering the Tales of Graces F 1st Day Edition which has a ton of stuff which is basically a thank you for not importing (which you can totally do with TOGF) instead. 
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Aug 23, 2012 06:35
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ConanThe3rd posted:Speaking of Murders, guess who just killed P4A's chances in Europe? Sucks I guess, just buy games from another region though. It's a solid fighter, a bit too easy, but solid not the less.
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SilentD posted:Sucks I guess, just buy games from another region though. It's a solid fighter, a bit too easy, but solid not the less. Persona 4 Arena is like, the only region-locked PS3 game ever, so importing it isn't as easy as it sounds.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Atlus needs to make Lucifroz a persona already. Only good thing to come from Demikids Actually: 
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Yeah I was gonna point out a lot of "new" ones from Strange Journey were Demikids revivals.
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DarkHamsterlord posted:Persona 4 Arena is like, the only region-locked PS3 game ever, so importing it isn't as easy as it sounds. That's loving comical. Buy a US PS3? I'm probably bit spoiled here since I've imported consoles and own cabinets for my fighters. I just don't see this as all that big of a deal.
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SilentD posted:Sucks I guess, just buy games from another region though. It's a solid fighter, a bit too easy, but solid not the less. The only one!
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Meowjesty posted:Mara is a giant penis in a chariot and also it spits fire. It is clearly the most hardcore of all Persona. Theo also had a fantastic reaction to Mara when playing P3P as the female pro.  
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Aug 23, 2012 11:22
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The thing I don't like about P3P is Theo is cool and the female Protagonist fits into the story so much better than the male one (and seems like a cooler person as well) that it sucks neither will show up again.
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Radish posted:The thing I don't like about P3P is Theo is cool and the female Protagonist fits into the story so much better than the male one (and seems like a cooler person as well) that it sucks neither will show up again. I agree completely. I was on December with tons of Social Links I had missed the first time. My transfer file from my PSP to the Vita was corrupted and set me back to the start  I'm still in mourning.
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Radish posted:The thing I don't like about P3P is Theo is cool and the female Protagonist fits into the story so much better than the male one (and seems like a cooler person as well) that it sucks neither will show up again. I'd bet anything that they'll show up in the inevitable sequel/expansion for P4A.
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Aug 23, 2012 18:09
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I'd rather see older Junpei, Yukari and maybe even zombie Shinjiro. That's not to say the Female Protag wouldn't be welcomed as an extra character for an update/sequel.
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Aug 23, 2012 18:14
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I'd rather see older Junpei, Yukari and maybe even zombie Shinjiro. That's not to say the Female Protag wouldn't be welcomed as an extra character for an update/sequel. I'm fairly sure their silhouettes appear in P4A when they explain what happened to SEES after high school. Edit:  Right of Mitsuru (Center) Dehry fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Aug 23, 2012 |
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I'm finally trying to get through Innocent Sin, and I just had a quick question--is there any reason NOT to return Personas for items in the Velvet Room? Specifically the unique starter Personas? Also, I just finished the Smile Hirasaka dungeon, and I was wondering if there's any sort of sidequest/rumor stuff I should be tackling before I hit up the next dungeon?
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Krad posted:I'd bet anything that they'll show up in the inevitable sequel/expansion for P4A. We might see Theo but I doubt we'll ever see the feMC ever in the fighter unless they try to do alternate timelines or something since Atlus is insistent on making the fighter fall into the "canon"
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I'd rather see older Junpei, Yukari and maybe even zombie Shinjiro. That's not to say the Female Protag wouldn't be welcomed as an extra character for an update/sequel. ButShinji lived in mine!!!
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He died in mine :X Iunno, I have such mixed feelings about the fighting game, it seemed really meehhhh from the videos and interviews with the gameplay I've seen so far. It just didn't seem that deep I guess.
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Aug 23, 2012 19:06
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Pierce posted:ButShinji lived in mine!!!
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Blaine the Train posted:I'm finally trying to get through Innocent Sin, and I just had a quick question--is there any reason NOT to return Personas for items in the Velvet Room? Specifically the unique starter Personas? Maia is pretty useful for cheap out of the battle healing, especially if you got her hidden skill. But other than that, no, no reason not to return them. The rewards aren't that great either, so might as well do it once you get something better. And I don't think there's anything super exciting after Smile Hirasaka. As long as you're regularly checking for new rumours you'll be fine.
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Kirtan posted:I haven't played P3P, is this a new thing in that? First I've heard of it. If you max out Shinji's social link (Moon) with the Female MC and then talk to him again and bug him into actually becoming her boyfriend he lives. He ends up in a coma. And wakes up on the last day of the game.
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Kirtan posted:I haven't played P3P, is this a new thing in that? First I've heard of it. From what I can tellit is unique to the female side of P3P. I just assumed it was possible in both and previous versions. e: ^beat
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xSousuke posted:He died in mine :X The story is what makes the game awesome. Even if you hate fighting games, the story mode plays out like P3P and cutscenes take up most of the game. I got a chance to sit back and watch on a youtube channel before the videos were taken down and there was about 15-20 minutes of story between each minute long battle. Each character has their own story, each one altering the story slightly The P3 characters and Initial four P4 characters (Yu, Yoske, Chie, Rise) are similar at the start, but diverge based on what character advances in the tournament. Teddie, Kanji and Naoto have their own stories.(minor progression spoilers) Edit: The "arcade mode" is not story mode. Some elements from story mode are in there but it is specifically designed for arcade play. Dehry fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Aug 23, 2012 |
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Dehry posted:The story is what makes the game awesome. Even if you hate fighting games, the story mode plays out like P3P and cutscenes take up most of the game. In that case then it has a lot more merit to play it a few times through for the story. I recall that the game was developed by the same guys who did Blaz Blue and when I played through it there was about as much story one of these new final fantasy games (aka none) I love persona especially P4 so if the story is fun to enjoy then its def worth playing
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The story of Persona 4 Arena is really nothing special. I've only played through the Persona 4 characters so far, but it is just basically retreading everything you went through in P4. Maybe the P3 characters will offer up something different, but I am getting burnt out on fighting shadows again and people relearning the loving lessons they already learned, it's stupid. Mind you Kanji's is actually pretty funny.
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P4A is a cool game but I haven't even touched Story mode yet, been playing Versus and Challenges and messing around with characters in Training. I like fighting games though
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The story is eh. Some of the characters get interesting stuff, but a lot of them just cover the same stuff. Kanji's stories are good though.
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P4A story mode desperately needed a bunch of shared chapters you only needed to view once. I really didn't need to see "character figures out rules of tournament" 12 times. Also if you like fighting games the actual game is pretty great.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:The story of Persona 4 Arena is really nothing special. I've only played through the Persona 4 characters so far, but it is just basically retreading everything you went through in P4. Maybe the P3 characters will offer up something different, but I am getting burnt out on fighting shadows again and people relearning the loving lessons they already learned, it's stupid. Mind you Kanji's is actually pretty funny. You should complete Labrys' before 'finishing' anyone else. It gets better after that, and the P3 characters are pretty different (but so is Naoto and Teddie, so...)
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Cityinthesea posted:You should complete Labrys' before 'finishing' anyone else. It gets better after that, and the P3 characters are pretty different (but so is Naoto and Teddie, so...) You need to beat it with one P3 character to unlock Labrys for Story Mode. xSousuke posted:In that case then it has a lot more merit to play it a few times through for the story. I recall that the game was developed by the same guys who did Blaz Blue and when I played through it there was about as much story one of these new final fantasy games (aka none) I love persona especially P4 so if the story is fun to enjoy then its def worth playing *this is okay because if you cut out the dumb catgirl nonsense and inane tit jokes the story is pretty cool in a crazy evangelion-esque way. granted the dumb poo poo is a good third of it but it is a fighting game who cares? I'm personally having a blast with P4A. I just started Labrys' story, and I'm a bit weirded out that JYB is voicing "researcher with a tie" in the 1999 flashback. EDIT: Hah, disregard. Rockman Reserve fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Aug 24, 2012 |
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I can't be the only one that heard GLaDOS when they revealed the true enemy I'm having a hell of a time looking up more story mode videos. Atlus is taking them all down as soon as they're up now. They're not making me buy a 360/PS3 and a PSVita this year.
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Dehry posted:They're not making me buy a 360/PS3 and a PSVita this year. pssssst do it, Not just for P4A and P4G, obviously, there are a ton of great titles on both (yes there are good games on the Vita I promise).
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Maybe the P3 characters will offer up something different, but I am getting burnt out on fighting shadows again and people relearning the loving lessons they already learned, it's stupid. Mind you Kanji's is actually pretty funny. I like the idea that their shadows can come back and that they can regress. The execution sucks, but having the characters need to put in effort to continue being better people makes sense to me.
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ConanThe3rd posted:Speaking of Murders, guess who just killed P4A's chances in Europe? To be fair, Zen have said they'll be making a special edition for the European release of P4A. As for what'll be included and when it'll actually come out  With the exception of Arc System Works, every company involved with making and distributing this game seems to have handled it really poorly.
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