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Elephanthead posted:What is $20? One pack of smokes or one cigar? Designing things to accommodate smokers is long gone. You will see a tofu storage tray before ashtrays ever become standard again. The linked "official Ford parts ashtray." Which goes in the same cupholder my ash-bottle does, thus not improving ergonomics on any level, and probably still getting in the way of my elbow as I shift. What would be wrong with a small compartment in front of the shifter that could be used as an ashtray, or a coin holder/other storage area for non-smokers? I don't even want one of those lovely lighters, because they suck rear end -- just a place for me to drop my ash and stub out a smoke in a reasonably convenient location.
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Rest in peace, cars with more ashtrays than seatbelts.
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Aug 31, 2012 19:42
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Rabble posted:Oh yeah, the cupholders are definitely made for the slush box drivers but that's going to be a V8 problem too. Gotta agree with the interior quality on the premium package though, everything is well thought out and feel great in the hand. My favorite feature of the car has to be the built in wide angle mirrors in the side view assembly, that should be standard safety equipment on all cars IMO. They got rid of the skip shift
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Aug 31, 2012 21:24
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PT6A posted:What would be wrong with a small compartment in front of the shifter that could be used as an ashtray, or a coin holder/other storage area for non-smokers? You really shouldn't be this shocked or outraged.
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Aug 31, 2012 22:21
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Hypnolobster posted:It's because it's not the fifties anymore and smoking is being pushed out from most angles. Except it's a car company, not the government or health authorities. They shouldn't have any problem with me choosing to smoke. Why not make, for example, a sunglasses holder in a convenient location in the dash or console, which could be fitted with a $20 metal insert to turn it into an ashtray instead of taking up a cupholder, which still ends up with your ashtray being located very inconveniently? It's not so much that I simply must smoke when I'm driving (in fact, I only do it on road trips), just that it's a very small addition that would have improved the design of the cockpit. There are any number of small items you might want to have close to hand when driving, and there's no decent place to put any of them apart from the cupholders, where they get in the way of the shifter, which is how this whole discussion began. And you can say what you want about the age of the smoker coming to an end, but my parents bought their cars at the same time as I bought my Mustang, and each of them has an ashtray for each passenger. Obviously it's not that huge of an imposition.
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Aug 31, 2012 23:06
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Again, Smoking is unpopular in the public eye, and lots of companies have stopped designing to accommodate it, despite being just car companies. Nobody in Ford is in a design meeting talking about adding a sunglasses holder in the middle of the dash so that they can offer a special smokers ashtray insert! Besides, we're talking about a car company that perpetually puts cupholders in the worst possible place anyway. I think almost all car companies put the cupholders in terrible places for stickshift cars.
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Aug 31, 2012 23:19
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Hypnolobster posted:Nobody in Ford is in a design meeting talking about adding a sunglasses holder in the middle of the dash so that they can offer a special smokers ashtray insert! Also because the sunglasses holder goes on the passenger-side sun shade. Hypnolobster posted:Besides, we're talking about a car company that perpetually puts cupholders in the worst possible place anyway. I think almost all car companies put the cupholders in terrible places for stickshift cars. My last ride had the cupholders between the shifter and the stereo and they were terrible there too. Is there an actual good place for cupholders in a car with a small interior?
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Aug 31, 2012 23:56
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Is there an actual good place for cupholders in a car with a small interior? BMW got it right with the latest 3er 
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Sep 1, 2012 01:10
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Cocoa Crispies posted:
My old forester had a slide-out cupholder on the dashboard right below the a/c vents and it was great in the sense that it didn't interfere with the shifter, but then it had the downside that any condensation or spills fell right onto the a/c controls and the stereo headunit. I think the center console (like s197s currently have) is probably the best spot overall but they're all a compromise.
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Sep 1, 2012 02:43
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So I've got all these ideas for mods because, you know, mustang. Anyway I was thinking about starting with a CAI and Generic tune from Americanmuscle.com, anyone have any experience with them? Edit: well, either that or some new headers and exhaust because the stock ones are all ugly looking and I want my engine bay to be shiny. Rabble fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 1, 2012 |
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Sep 1, 2012 16:33
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optikalus posted:BMW got it right with the latest 3er That is an e90 and theyre pretty lousy. The new one has normal bucket style ones embedded in front of the shifter that look like they would work ok.
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Sep 1, 2012 16:43
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optikalus posted:BMW got it right with the latest 3er Those are the worse loving cup-holders ever designed. Hardly anything fits in it, and what few things do, are at a pretty high risk of falling anytime you change directions a little quickly.
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Sep 2, 2012 00:33
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Rabble posted:So I've got all these ideas for mods because, you know, mustang. Anyway I was thinking about starting with a CAI and Generic tune from Americanmuscle.com, anyone have any experience with them? Don't use AM for your tune. Blow By Racing VMP Tuning Lethal Performance Brooks Speed Any of the above, and several others, will do a better job for the same price. Check out the Modular Fords forums if you haven't already so you can do your own research. A local tuner is more convenient, but a competent remote tuner is just as good.
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Sep 2, 2012 00:36
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I had my supercharged Mark VIII dyno tuned at VMP and not only did it not explode it was very street able.
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Sep 2, 2012 16:51
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oRenj9 posted:Those are the worse loving cup-holders ever designed. Hardly anything fits in it, and what few things do, are at a pretty high risk of falling anytime you change directions a little quickly. And yet they managed to include an ashtray exactly where I think it ought to go in the Mustang! My word, how did they ever bear that extreme expense and inconvenience?
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Sep 2, 2012 17:12
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PT6A posted:And yet they managed to include an ashtray exactly where I think it ought to go in the Mustang! My word, how did they ever bear that extreme expense and inconvenience? By charging 10 grand more then a mustang?
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Sep 3, 2012 07:09
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frozenphil posted:Don't use AM for your tune. Are these tuners all the same? http://www.americanmuscle.com/x3-custom-tuner-2011gt.html http://www.blowbyracing.com/sct-xcal-2.html They say SCT on them.. so can you get tunes from different places and use one tuner?
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Sep 3, 2012 08:39
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Bumming Your Scene posted:Are these tuners all the same? The device is the same, the tune is different. You can buy the device from whoever you want, but it's generally cheaper to buy it from the person doing the tune.
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Sep 3, 2012 09:02
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In a way, I'm thankful for the bad positioning of the cupholders. It reminds me that I should be paying more attention to my driving/shifting than to my beverage.
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Sep 3, 2012 15:52
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I think that the Charger rental I got had worse cupholder positioning than the V6 mustang I got as my next rental but they were both about equally as bad.
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Sep 3, 2012 23:03
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Mustang MuscleShirtThread: The cupholder/ashtray location is a legit test parameter
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Sep 4, 2012 07:37
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IOwnCalculus posted:If it's anything like the GM version (and it probably is), removing it can be as simple as unplugging the solenoid. That solenoid probably also saved you a gas guzzler tax, so don't hate on it too much. Unfortunately it isn't, you need to disable it via software. It's the one reason I got a tune. Other option is rev it out in a first a little bit when you start out and you'll never see it.
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kronix posted:Unfortunately it isn't, you need to disable it via software. It's the one reason I got a tune. Really, a tune is so worthwhile that a handheld tuner should be a first mod purchase for anyone reading this thread anyway.
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Sep 5, 2012 12:39
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frozenphil posted:Really, a tune is so worthwhile that a handheld tuner should be a first mod purchase for anyone reading this thread anyway. Wait, really? I always thought that a tune was sort of worthless if you didn't have any mods. The only reason I was looking at one was because of the slight discount you get when you buy it with the CAI. Don't tell me all those fuel economy and HP gains are real.
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Rabble posted:Wait, really? You're leaning out so fuel economy should be better. Also, by default Ford limits available torque below 3k rpms for what is likely drivability concerns and there's always some power left on the table so yes they're most likely exaggerated but real
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Rabble posted:Wait, really? I picked up 2mph and .5 second in the quarter mile and 2mpg on the street with a canned tune. Hand held tuners are worth more power, dollar per horsepower, than any mod short of forced induction. Once you add in the other benefits like the ability to change shift points, read diagnostic codes, and data logging they easily pass every other mod to the top of the list.
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I'm pretty ignorant about this but it seems like a magic bullet. There has to be some sort of downside, right?
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Necc0 posted:I'm pretty ignorant about this but it seems like a magic bullet. There has to be some sort of downside, right? Well, a bad tune has the potential to destroy your engine while giving Ford an excuse to deny a warranty claim on it. There are plenty of good reasons for manufactures to be conservative with their tunes. Emissions and drive-ability being two big ones.
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Necc0 posted:I'm pretty ignorant about this but it seems like a magic bullet. There has to be some sort of downside, right? oRenj9 posted:Well, a bad tune has the potential to destroy your engine while giving Ford an excuse to deny a warranty claim on it. There are plenty of good reasons for manufactures to be conservative with their tunes. Emissions and drive-ability being two big ones. These are the only downsides that I can think of as well. This is also why I don't recommend American Muscle/Bama for your tune. I'm sure they've fixed their issues by now, but they popped enough engines when the Coyote was new (hey guys, let's turn off these knock sensors since we don't know what they do and just jack up global timing! What could go wrong?!) and there are so many other quality tuners that I'm hesitant to recommend American Muscle/Bama.
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There is a reason Ford set the parameters the way they come. Those reasons may not be applicable to your driving or your location. Does Ford send the cars to Denver with a different tune then LA?
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Elephanthead posted:There is a reason Ford set the parameters the way they come. Those reasons may not be applicable to your driving or your location. Does Ford send the cars to Denver with a different tune then LA? I feel the same way about this. I don't know why Ford would leave 2 mpg on the table unless there was a drat good reason. Maybe it does have something to do with having the most useability in all climates and air densities. Do canned tunes take location into consideration? I think lethal performance has you drive around with the device plugged in so they can get baseline recordings before they send you the tune. Something like that would seem to be the most benefit next to going to a dyno shop in person.
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One note on fuel economy - the EPA test is a retarded system that only tests very specific situations, and is easy to game. Unfortunately, there are a lot of things that will increase real world fuel economy that don't improve the test results at all, so they don't end up on the car.
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Elephanthead posted:There is a reason Ford set the parameters the way they come. Those reasons may not be applicable to your driving or your location. Does Ford send the cars to Denver with a different tune then LA?
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Sep 6, 2012 16:09
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frozenphil posted:Don't use AM for your tune. Know of any good tuners that aren't in Florida? Say, San Diego?
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Would this be true for a mod motor mustang as well? I'd be interested in 2mpg and 2mph. 
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Rabble posted:I feel the same way about this. I don't know why Ford would leave 2 mpg on the table unless there was a drat good reason. Locobono posted:Know of any good tuners that aren't in Florida? Say, San Diego? Krakkles posted:Would this be true for a mod motor mustang as well? I'd be interested in 2mpg and 2mph.
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Sep 7, 2012 06:12
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Locobono posted:Know of any good tuners that aren't in Florida? Say, San Diego? Yeah, NSFabrication.
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frozenphil posted:It works better on mod motors because of their greater reliance on computers, so yes. My car is a 2003 GT.
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frozenphil posted:Ford values reliability over everything else and are willing to sacrifice a little power and fuel mileage toward that goal. I have over 100k miles on a canned tune with no adverse effects. Which exact tune do you use and is your engine a stock 3-valve 4.6 modular?
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Krakkles posted:What's a good handheld tuner? What do you use? A.o.D. posted:Which exact tune do you use and is your engine a stock 3-valve 4.6 modular?
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