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Froodulous
Feb 29, 2008

Hey, head pigeon, is this a bad post?

SynthOrange posted:

He just does a lot of squats every day. Pays off in situations like these.

Or, as Jake put it in Adventure Time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iAcOLJlMNE&t=6s

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Parts Kit
Jun 9, 2006

durr
i have a hole in my head
durr

Keru posted:

That could've been quite embarassing if he was in the bathroom, I think.
That's what the five seconds are for.

the2ndgenesis
Mar 18, 2009

You, McNulty, are a gaping asshole. We both know this.
Kat is going to be jealous as hell when she hears about this.

Cyphoderus
Apr 21, 2010

I'll have you know, foxes have the finest call in nature
I can't scour the archives right now, have we ever seen what is that wrapped thing on Jimmy Jim's back?

Lord Humongus
Apr 10, 2009

ice ice baby :toot:

Cyphoderus posted:

I can't scour the archives right now, have we ever seen what is that wrapped thing on Jimmy Jim's back?

It's a ethernal big sword. I think it's ethernal, I'm just guessing that part.

Lord Humongus fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Aug 31, 2012

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!

Phy posted:

Over, say, some fairly sizable edifices? While wearing a red Cape even. :haw:

Tom did say that the sound effect for when he does that ought to be "single bound".

Lord Humongus posted:

It's a ethernal big sword. I think it's ethernal, I'm just guessing that part.

Specifically, it is this sword:


Alliterate Addict
Jul 10, 2012

dreaming of that face again

it's bright and blue and shimmering

grinning wide and comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes

Phy posted:

Over, say, some fairly sizable edifices? While wearing a red Cape even. :haw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6hvOo2QOpA&t=213s

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Who is that guy that just grabbed Carver?

Wa11y
Jul 23, 2002

Did I say "cookies?" I meant, "Fire in your face!"

Fried Chicken posted:

Who is that guy that just grabbed Carver?


That's Robot grabbing Reynardine. C'mon, try to keep up!

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Keru posted:

That could've been quite embarassing if he was in the bathroom, I think.

I am really confused by this too. Guess Eglamore just happened to be in full armour and with a sword strapped on at the time.

Or perhaps it's as someone said, and Eglamore stands ready and equipped the whole time Antimony's in the forest.

Wa11y
Jul 23, 2002

Did I say "cookies?" I meant, "Fire in your face!"

Kessel posted:

I am really confused by this too. Guess Eglamore just happened to be in full armour and with a sword strapped on at the time.

Or perhaps it's as someone said, and Eglamore stands ready and equipped the whole time Antimony's in the forest.

Snapping the beacon probably makes something like this happen.

That's right. Jimmy Jims is a Magical Girl.

VictorGrunn
Feb 15, 2004
Ye Guilty

Wa11y posted:

Snapping the beacon probably makes something like this happen.

That's right. Jimmy Jims is a Magical Girl.

"I would have been here sooner, but I refuse to teleport before pulling the tiara off. drat transformations..!"

Well, it looks like Ysengrin didn't get a hand (or sword) laid on him. I wonder if we'll see Ysengrin coming back to his senses and reflecting on what just happened - or better yet, piecing together that this too was a manipulaton by Coyote.

Pendent
Nov 16, 2011

The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius
Grimey Drawer
I wonder why Coyote keeps trying to get Ysengrin to kill/maim Annie.

Oh right. Trickster god.

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!

Kessel posted:

I am really confused by this too. Guess Eglamore just happened to be in full armour and with a sword strapped on at the time.

Or perhaps it's as someone said, and Eglamore stands ready and equipped the whole time Antimony's in the forest.

I think this is actually correct. He escorts her to and from the Court, so he's hanging out by the edge of the forest the whole time she's in there, waiting for something exactly like this to happen.

VictorGrunn
Feb 15, 2004
Ye Guilty

The Walker posted:

I wonder why Coyote keeps trying to get Ysengrin to kill/maim Annie.

I think it's less him trying to hurt Annie, and more him trying to hurt Ysengrin (for whatever reason). He always intervenes to protect Annie, or he has so far. Ysengrin? He never STOPS hurting Ysengrin.

Even real petty jabs, like when he's showing Annie Renard's body, and he makes sure to emphasize how YOUNG and HEALTHY and not OLD and DECREPIT that body looks.

I wonder if it's pettiness, or some kind of endgame like wanting Ysengrin to switch sides like the faeries did.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

VictorGrunn posted:

I think it's less him trying to hurt Annie, and more him trying to hurt Ysengrin (for whatever reason). He always intervenes to protect Annie, or he has so far. Ysengrin? He never STOPS hurting Ysengrin.

It's Ysengrin's role in a story to be hurt. Everybody is supposed to find it hilarious when it happens.

Ysengrin is all about strength, honor, and dignity. He parades and postures. Then he gets revealed to be weak, bestial, and ridiculous, and everybody laughs. It's how it works in the Renard stories.

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Sep 1, 2012

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Spikey posted:

No. Jump Good.

Jimmy Jims is John Carter?

Pendent
Nov 16, 2011

The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius
Grimey Drawer

Cat Mattress posted:

It's Ysengrin's role in a story to be hurt. Everybody is supposed to find it hilarious when it happens.

Ysengrin is all about strength, honor, and dignity. He parades and postures. Then he gets revealed to be weak, bestial, and ridiculous, and everybody laughs. It's how it works in the Renard stories.

You mean from folklore?

LIMBO KING
May 3, 2006

A student posted:

Jimmy Jims is John Carter?

He's the Six Million Dollar Man.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Spikey posted:

No. Jump Good.

You are the greatest human being ever for making a Samurai Jack reference

As for content, I wonder if Ysengrin will cool off in any way after this or if he's gone completely kill hungry

VictorGrunn
Feb 15, 2004
Ye Guilty
Actually, now that I read back the sequence of events... as silly as it is, I wonder if that was really Ysengrin.

I love this comic. Anything that has me always speculating what will happen on the next update really has me hooked.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

The Walker posted:

You mean from folklore?

Yep.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib
So someone PMed me and asked me what my avatar was from and I pointed him towards this thread/comic. He's been reading it and PMed me a second time:

quote:

[redacted] wrote on Sep 1, 2012 11:40:
Does the Mary Sue crap get toned down? Getting tired of the waify redhead being good at everything.

I'm not sure how to best answer this since ... it kind of doesn't get toned down. He's still early on in the comic.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Answer that her flaws start to surface.

And I wouldn't call Annie a Mary Sue at all. She's socially inept, has very few friends, cheats off her buddy to scrape by in school, has problems with authority, is kinda spiteful at times, and daddy issues out the wazoo as well as general emotional constipation.

But then again, I suppose those were some of the flaws I mentioned. Tell him that she's not quiet and mysterious because she's a Mary Sue, she's like that because she's actually pretty goddamn hosed up.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Sep 1, 2012

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

Brannock posted:

So someone PMed me and asked me what my avatar was from and I pointed him towards this thread/comic. He's been reading it and PMed me a second time:

I'm not sure how to best answer this since ... it kind of doesn't get toned down. He's still early on in the comic.
She's terrible at science, she's kind of awkwardly stilted in social situations, she's stubborn...not really a Mary Sue.

Bocom
Apr 3, 2009

No alibi
No justice
No dream
No hope
The use of "waify" in that context bothers me deeply. Same with "Mary Sue". Actually, the whole PM bothers me.

What comic did he read? Because it seems very different from the one I've read.

Bocom fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Sep 1, 2012

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!
I can see where your friend is coming from. I got a mary-sue vibe from the first few chapters too. Tell your friend that her flaws emerge more and more as the story progresses. Her unflappable calm turns out to be her suppressing her feelings and a symptom of her general emotional stuntedness. Her good grades turn out to be because she is cheating off of her best friend, etc. Just don't be as specific as I am being here, part of the fun is finding out these flaws for yourself. :)

Pastrymancy
Feb 20, 2011

11:13: Despite Gio Gonzalez warning, "Never mix your sparkling juices," Bryce Harper opens another bottle of sparkling grape and mixes it with sparkling cider.

1:07: Harper walks to the 7-11 and orders an all-syrup Slurpee.

1:10-3:05: Harper has no recollection of this time. Aliens?
Tom, unlike Surma, never promises to not lead Annie into danger. I think that much is made clear as the story progresses.

VVV Definitely. It's kind of become shorthand for "female character I don't like" to some fans.

Pastrymancy fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Sep 1, 2012

Whitenoise Poster
Mar 26, 2010

Tell him he dosn't actually know what Mary Sue means and the word he is actually looking for is "Main Character" or maybe "Protagonist".

I hate how the term morphed from a specific type of fanfic character to a word used to describe any character who has normal levels of main characterness and is also a girl.

Tardigrade
Jul 13, 2012

Half arthropod, half marshmallow, all cute.

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

I can see where your friend is coming from. I got a mary-sue vibe from the first few chapters too.
Same here, but upon retrospect she's less of a Mary Sue there than, say, Harry Potter. The fire elemental angle could also be seen as Suishness, but it's as much a curse as a blessing.

The best advice is that that friend should keep reading.

lesbian baphomet
Nov 30, 2011

Seeing as Mary-sue-ism also implies that it's an author self-insert of some sort (or at least used to before it lost all meaning)... I kind of doubt that Tom wishes he was Annie.

But since the PM guy seems to not know that in the first place, yeah, I guess just say that Annie's flaws start to become more obvious in the future.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Whitenoise Poster posted:

Tell him he dosn't actually know what Mary Sue means and the word he is actually looking for is "Main Character" or maybe "Protagonist".

I hate how the term morphed from a specific type of fanfic character to a word used to describe any character who has normal levels of main characterness and is also a girl.

Quite. A true Mary Sue is a strange beast, completely out of place in any decent story. I'm sure most people know this, but the term originates from a parody Star Trek fanfic

quote:

Mary Sue stories—the adventures of the youngest and smartest ever person to graduate from the academy and ever get a commission at such a tender age. Usually characterized by unprecedented skill in everything from art to zoology, including karate and arm-wrestling. This character can also be found burrowing her way into the good graces/heart/mind of one of the Big Three [Kirk, Spock, and McCoy], if not all three at once. She saves the day by her wit and ability, and, if we are lucky, has the good grace to die at the end, being grieved by the entire ship.

One problem people have, especially in fantastical fiction, is that a standard protagonist character may share some features with the wish fulfillment Mary Sue. The classic example would be any story with a "chosen one"; Harry Potter springs to mind. He attracts a great deal of attention from the other characters in the story and is singled out, but the doesn't make him a Mary Sue because he's not flawless or perfect. He's of average intelligence, has enemies as well as friends and more importantly, a lot of people who are indifferent to him as a person and either don't care or are vaguely put out by his "chosen one" status. He bickers, fights, and makes poor decisions. He has a disastrous or just plain awkward love life for most of the books. He fucks up and pisses people off. He's a reasonably complex character with actual motivations and feelings.

I mean, I *guess* in the first like, 3 chapters or so Annie comes across as a bit overly perfect, but those chapters are written almost like little fairy tales, with the large amount of narration and lack of much dialogue. It's a little unfair to judge based on the point where the comic is still searching for a voice and the characters are sketched out in the loosest of terms. Once we get to a point where there is enough information to come to a conclusion, it's clear all the characters have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib
Not my friend, just some goon who messaged me.

quote:

[redacted] wrote on Sep 1, 2012 19:47:
Wellp, just read through the whole god drat thing. Amazing. Brings in a lot of actual theory on weird magical crap. And, Mary Sue has problems. Awesome.

Looks like we have another convert!

The Halogens
Sep 2, 2011

Put yourselves down for another convert; I reverse image searched a Coyote avatar and found this thread, then read through the entire comic in one sitting. All I can say is GC is the most refreshing fantasy I have ever read, and three updates per week are going to get me through a particularly tough final year of college.

Incidentally, has this avatar been taken (I realize it'll need resizing)? I'd like to replace my current awkward rectangle one.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Not that I can see...?

If not, here, have it avatar sized.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Here's an alternative for you.



Also, happy registration birthday.

Wrist Watch
Apr 19, 2011

What?

Jon Joe posted:

Here's an alternative for you.



Also, happy registration birthday.

This is the only acceptable compromise.

Make it so, Avatar Fairy.

Dodgeball
Sep 24, 2003

Oh no! Dodgeball is really scary!
Hold please.

Done.

EDIT:

Dodgeball fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Sep 2, 2012

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Wrist Watch posted:

Make it so, Avatar Fairy.

Dude, you don't invoke the Avatar Fairy! You pray for it and then pay tribute to the Gunnerkrigg donations fund in thanks if it deigns to bless you.

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
You guys who are defending Antimony are mixing up what she eventually develops into with what she's initially presented as. In the first few chapters, she's talented at everything, gets out of every tight spot with uncommon ease, and there's no evidence of the social awkwardness that plagues her later on. Its another one of the humps you have to get over in early GC.

"It gets better later" is absolutely a valid answer but "Its kind of lousy now" is a valid complaint.

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