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Boten Anna posted:If you like XI, play XII. It's basically XI offline. I loved the poo poo out of FF XI, and XII was no exception. If you finish XII and feel the need for more, try Xenoblade. But XII will keep you occupied for quite awhile. EDIT: Rape Jake. posted:Uhh the retarded plots are the whole point of JRPGs, I dunno what universe you live in. Crazy plots are the whole point of JRPGs, not necessarily retarded. The crazier and the loftier, the better. It might be why I enjoy FF VII, Tactics, Earthbound, and Xenogears the most.
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Lofty is a good word to describe Xenogears. Even the people who didn't end up liking it in the LP admitted that the writers had a lot of ambition. I of course thought that a lot of their vision was realized well which is why I think the game is so fantastic. But yeah...I wank Xeno too much. I agree with Pyroxene that I play JRPGs for fun plots, not retarded ones. Besides, it's not like JRPGs are more prone to bad stories than anything else. Every genre has the capacity for great good and great terrible.
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Sep 3, 2012 10:22
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JRPGS are most focused on plot and most susceptible to awful stories because of it, I don't think that's off-base.
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Sep 3, 2012 10:28
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Crazy plots are the whole point of JRPGs, not necessarily retarded. The crazier and the loftier, the better. It might be why I enjoy FF VII, Tactics, Earthbound, and Xenogears the most. I like my JRPGs lacking self awareness and batshit insane.
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Sep 3, 2012 10:35
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Sounds about right! No, seriously, you think Earthbound wasn't self-aware?
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Sep 3, 2012 10:47
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Mazed posted:The only characters with chemistry in FF12 were Balthier and Fran, and that's mainly because they simply showed, rather than told, them being what they are. I'd be happy with Gilgamesh: The Game at this point. Seriously, can you imagine how amazing that'd be? Play as Gilgamesh, go wandering around multiple FF universes stealing everyone's weapons! Quad-wielding system! Mess with the time continuum until you reach the final stage, where you succeed at the Battle on the Big Bridge! Gilgamesh is the secret best character in Final Fantasy. His only real competition is Ultros.
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Sep 3, 2012 10:48
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Sounds about right! No, seriously, you think Earthbound wasn't self-aware? Xenogears didn't look very self-aware. If anything, it's a poster child for old school RPGs that take themselves way too seriously.
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Momomo posted:Xenogears didn't look very self-aware. If anything, it's a poster child for old school RPGs that take themselves way too seriously. drat right. Except for the man! Of the sea! bits. EDIT: I would buy and love Gilgamesh the game. EDIT 2: I think we are in full agreement, Rape Jake. I like games with insane plots that try and make them work, and only partially succeed through localization obscurity. Die Sexmonster! fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Sep 3, 2012 |
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Sep 3, 2012 10:56
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Sounds about right! No, seriously, you think Earthbound wasn't self-aware? I've never played Earthbound, but that post was in earnest.
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Infinity Gaia posted:I'd be happy with Gilgamesh: The Game at this point. Seriously, can you imagine how amazing that'd be? Play as Gilgamesh, go wandering around multiple FF universes stealing everyone's weapons! Quad-wielding system! Mess with the time continuum until you reach the final stage, where you succeed at the Battle on the Big Bridge! I would preorder this so hard.
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Final Fantasy Megathread: Gilgamesh is the only good character.Pyroxene Stigma posted:drat right. Except for the man! Of the sea! bits. Really, there was a ton of goofy nonsense in Xenogears, from the Thames inhabitants to giant pink rabbit things to Big Joe to pretty much everything that happened as a result of Bart's decision-making. For a perfect example of why the more serious parts no longer seems to work, though, is when you see them taking the bits from Xenogears that were meant to be all deep and profound, and see them try to do it again in Xenosaga. Before, you had cartoony sprites and unvoiced dialogue. But in PS2-gen, well...compare the voice actors trying to play it straight (the majority of the cast, all of the player characters) with those who apparently saw it for the absurdity it was and hammed it up accordingly (the villains, particularly Margulis and Albedo). If anything, it shows that crazy over-the-top JRPG plots can theoretically work, but only when those involved aren't taking themselves too seriously. Alternative conclusion: They should only write these games consisting entirely of villains.
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Bongo Bill posted:Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon are basically Final Fantasy games; they were directed by the series' founder and there are very noteworthy similarities (another game he has developed since then is, not even kidding, entitled "The Last Story"), though they have some idiosyncrasies that might make you hate them. I got Lost Odyssey on a recommendation from this thread last year and cannot believe it took me so long to play. It was amazing and is easily my favorite RPG of this console generation. If you like FF1-10 turn based combat, you have 0 reason not to pick this game up. It is my most lent-out game because I have to make sure every RPG fan I know plays it. Blue Dragon I wasn't able to get into and gave up a few hours in because every character annoyed me.
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Bongo Bill posted:Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon are basically Final Fantasy games; they were directed by the series' founder and there are very noteworthy similarities (another game he has developed since then is, not even kidding, entitled "The Last Story"), though they have some idiosyncrasies that might make you hate them. Blue Dragon also had artwork from Akira Toriyama and other well-known figures involved in making it. It's easy to see why people give the game flak the boss battles have lyrics sung by the guy from Deep Purple but it has some interesting mechanics to it and the graphics are pretty solid considering when it came out. MaroMaro's character is like nails on a chalkboard to me so I could never get through it due to him. Rape Jake. posted:Uhh the retarded plots are the whole point of JRPGs, I dunno what universe you live in. Dragon Quest games didn't have retarded plots. If you played through DQ3 without having the later part of the game spoiled for you it was a pretty  thing.It was hard to not have it spoiled though, considering the game came with a walk through.
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Didn't Lost Odyssey also have Uematsu on music, along with Sakaguchi doing the directing? If so...poo poo, that's as Final Fantasy as it needs to be.
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Has there been a good Let's Play of Lost Odyssey? I never finished it, so if I could read through the first half of the plot and then pick up from my old old disc 3 save that would be perfect.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Blue Dragon also had artwork from Akira Toriyama and other well-known figures involved in making it. It's easy to see why people give the game flak the boss battles have lyrics sung by the guy from Deep Purple but it has some interesting mechanics to it and the graphics are pretty solid considering when it came out.
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Rape Jake. posted:If you read that without thinking "goddamn Final Fantasy 8 owns", you're broken. No, all anyone could actually think is, "that is the goddamn worst line in a jRPG."
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Lost Odyssey is pretty good. There was a decent LP of it started, but I don't think it got far or updated often, sadly. I desperately want to play The Last Story (and Xenoblade), but I never bought a Wii and everyone I know who did has since sold theirs.  Azure_Horizon posted:No, all anyone could actually think is, "that is the goddamn worst line in a jRPG."
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Sep 3, 2012 19:08
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If you can hate this boss theme, I don't think you're human.
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Oh man. Those vocals are horrendous.  It's kinda funny how cheesy and bad the vocals are, but this song would be legit awesome for boss music if it were instrumental. Speaking of actually good JRPGs, I played through Xenoblade and loved the poo poo out of it, better than most FF games honestly. How does it compare to Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon?
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Idioteque Dance posted:Oh man. Those vocals are horrendous. It's a lot better. I have Lost Odyssey and it's kind of a chore to play in comparison.
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Sep 3, 2012 19:37
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I heard that as the boss music in Charles Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden and didn't realize it was from a game, I thought the joke was that it sucked
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:It's a lot better. I have Lost Odyssey and it's kind of a chore to play in comparison.
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Jblade posted:I've heard this before, and have never heard of Deep Purple - what makes it so bad? I heard it and just thought it was the same level as the songs you'd hear in say Sonic Adventure 2 - terrible but fun to listen to as long as you know absolutely no-one else is around in a 5 mile radius in case they hear it too.
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Idioteque Dance posted:I figured as much, a game that good only comes along every once in a while. I just really, really hope that current JRPG developers, including the core Final Fantasy team, learn some lessons from the game. The Last Story is pretty good, too, and I personally enjoy it more than Xenoblade. Check it out.
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Idioteque Dance posted:Oh man. Those vocals are horrendous. The best part? There is an instrumental version on a single consisting solely of that, the original in-game version, and a fairly meh remix. Azure_Horizon posted:No, all anyone could actually think is, "that is the goddamn worst line in a jRPG." I'unno, compared to, say, "YOUR NAME IS HOPE, YOU GIVE US HOPE!/WE'RE JUST PETS!  " Squall's silly inner-monologues, that one included, are the JRPG equivalent of like Chaucer or something.
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AnInsomniac posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zks5W-XlghU That's a tech demo S-E released a little while back called "Agni's Philosophy." They were asking for fan feedback here: https://form.square-enix.com/a.p/933/ Doubtful that's FF15, but common theory is that if the feedback was positive towards this "realistic" style, they'd make something out of it. Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Sep 3, 2012 |
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Dragonatrix posted:The best part? There is an instrumental version on a single consisting solely of that, the original in-game version, and a fairly meh remix. I think most any dialogue in FF13 is better than a good majority of the lines in FF8. Squall's inner monologues are all trash. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AnInsomniac posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zks5W-XlghU The official website for the tech demo did/ does have a survey asking people what they thought about it, but there wasn't any confirmation at all that they're thinking "FFXV" with this. If it's at all indicative of what they're thinking of doing with XV though, that could be pretty cool.
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Donnor posted:The official website for the tech demo did/ does have a survey asking people what they thought about it, but there wasn't any confirmation at all that they're thinking "FFXV" with this. If it's at all indicative of what they're thinking of doing with XV though, that could be pretty cool. It would be cool, but drat, the backlash against portraying fantasy-Arabs as magical terrorists would be horrible.
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Endorph posted:If you can hate this boss theme, I don't think you're human. Without the vocals it'd be such a good track and make the boss fights not something you try to speed through to stop the pain.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1gBPR3bF90 Idioteque Dance posted:Speaking of actually good JRPGs, I played through Xenoblade and loved the poo poo out of it, better than most FF games honestly. How does it compare to Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon? You're kind of screwed after playing Xenoblade because it's the best JRPG to come out in a long time so nothing else is going to hold up to it.
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Yeah, Xenoblade, while certainly not perfect, pretty much blows everything else in the genre from the last ten years out of the water. It's also difficult to make a direct comparison to the two you asked about, which are very deliberately traditional in structure. With regard to Eternity, the final boss theme from Lost Odyssey is similarly hilarious. And yes, Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were directed by Hironobu Sakaguchi and with soundtracks by Nobuo Uematsu. The same is true for The Last Story, but I haven't tried that yet and don't know what it's like.
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People go on and on about Xenoblade being the greatest JRPG in a long time and yes it is a great game full of stunning vistas, good music, really cool little game mechanics that you wonder why they weren't in other games before.No one ever seems to mention the fact that the combat system is a ham-fisted cluster-gently caress at the best of times. Dear lord if there is one thing that is preventing me from playing the game it's that combat system. Again, lots of great mechanics in it, especially the whole tactical deal with faceplate mechon and what not, but it's like i'm playing the game with a fishing rod and the bait is an angry koala bear.Xenoblade's world and quest system with something like FFXIII-2's combat system would indeed be the greatest game for me. Don't let that put anyone off playing the game, it really is a cool game, it's just that there are a lot of frustrating fights where the retarded camera and stupid controls get in the way of making it fun. My two cents EDIT: I know this is the final fantasy thread so i should say something final fantasyish: If what I gather from the Lightning Returns promo is correct, is this basically an open world RPG cross breed of FFX and Majora's mask? Because that sounds pretty cool. Wonder how the story is going to tie in though
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Polite Tim posted:People go on and on about Xenoblade being the greatest JRPG in a long time and yes it is a great game full of stunning vistas, good music, really cool little game mechanics that you wonder why they weren't in other games before.No one ever seems to mention the fact that the combat system is a ham-fisted cluster-gently caress at the best of times. Dear lord if there is one thing that is preventing me from playing the game it's that combat system. I agree with you here, and I'd never go so far as to say that it's better than anything else in the genre in the past ten years; perhaps the last couple, and even then not really.
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AnInsomniac posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zks5W-XlghU You know what I hated the most in XIII? The loving shaky cam in every action scene. Stop it SE, I can't see crap. Seriously.
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Bongo Bill posted:With regard to Eternity, the final boss theme from Lost Odyssey is similarly hilarious. I like the first bit, it's up until after the Dancing Mad-esque guitar section, with the rap that it becomes so hilarious that it can't be taken seriously. The regular battle theme is pretty decent though, and the main theme is probably one of my favourite things Uematsu has done. Those vocals around the 1:40 mark  Same for the world map theme.
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Polite Tim posted:Dear lord if there is one thing that is preventing me from playing the game it's that combat system. Why would a really fun and interesting combat system keep you from playing the game?
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The combat system in Xenoblade is fun, even if it can seem very chaotic at first. It gets simpler as you use it, though; you auto-attack when you approach an enemy you're locked onto, and use arts when you choose. I think it's a lot more fun then any system Final Fantasy has had for years; the closest it got was XII, which Xenoblade knocks out of the park in every regard. Lost Odyssey's final boss music is pretty interesting; the rap isn't as bad as I thought it'd be, even if it isn't very "final-boss-y" or whatever.
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I really like almost everything about Xenoblade, but I hit a snag at what I think is the midpoint of the game Sword Valley. With all the other gorgeous zones in the game, I can't help but feel like I'm wading through literal poo poo. I think I just need to take a couple of hours to plow through that section and I'm golden. Right?  fake edit for Final Fantasy: Is Dimensions supposed to feel incredibly soulless, or is it just me? I downloaded the prologue to give it a chance, but everything about it just rubs me the wrong way so far.
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