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Calax posted:I'm wondering if the Gun of Command ever made a second appearance in Star Wars. Seems like the sort of thing that'd make Kevin J Anderson and his Death Star/Sun Crusher/World Devestator/Super Torpedo/whatever droool with delight. "This gun isn't big enough. Let's make it a BIGGER GUN. And we'll make it...look like a GIANT GUN SPACE STATION."
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 21:49 |
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I have to admit that I had totally forgotten the Gun of Command. It does kind of seem like if such a thing existed that it would be used for more than kidnapping ex-girlfriends. I mean, you'd think they'd have busted that thing out during the Vong war at some point.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 21:51 |
So I just started playing both KOTOR games on STEAM for up coming MMO going FTP when this happened.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 22:59 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:So I just started playing both KOTOR games on STEAM for up coming MMO going FTP when this happened. Be nice, they just wanted to have Atton mention it as frequently as possible so that people would take the time to play it in game, or at least acknowledge it's existence. The programmers worked so hard on that minigame and none of the playtesters even knew it existed. ... I kid, but seriously, who thinks it's a good idea to stick a cardgame into an RPG.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 23:19 |
It just cracks me up at Atton and his almost aspergers-esqe love for Pazaak. I love the little Han Solo-ish jerk really. Also, I have no problem with card games in RPGs. What weirded me out in KOTOR 2 was those ground turret sections.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 23:31 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:It just cracks me up at Atton and his almost aspergers-esqe love for Pazaak. I love the little Han Solo-ish jerk really. I ignored every single one in order to reap more experience. Those were a little strange though, although I'm biased because I hate turret sections in any game.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 23:40 |
Also, so far the game with the completed Restoration Mod is running smooth. I had one crash near the end of leaving the dead Mining Base which I'm sure happened with normal KOTOR 2 before as well. Not seen any of the new stuff yet, but you can craft and upgrade a lot more stuff.
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# ? Sep 11, 2012 23:43 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:It just cracks me up at Atton and his almost aspergers-esqe love for Pazaak. I love the little Han Solo-ish jerk really. In terms of BioWare minigames the Jade Empire ancient China ornithopter ones are by far the best. I guess followed by the part where you can shoot space monkeys in Mass Effect 2.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 03:47 |
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Ursine Asylum posted:"This gun isn't big enough. Let's make it a BIGGER GUN. And we'll make it...look like a GIANT GUN SPACE STATION." It blows up suns... by firing a projectile through hyperspace. Oh, and it's created by a clone emperor.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 04:01 |
Chairman Capone posted:In terms of BioWare minigames the Jade Empire ancient China ornithopter ones are by far the best. I guess followed by the part where you can shoot space monkeys in Mass Effect 2. KOTOR 2 is done by Obsidian, who reminded us recently with their love for needlessly fiddily card games nobody can play with Caravan in Fallout New Vegas.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 11:28 |
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Calax posted:It blows up suns... by firing a projectile through hyperspace. I'm pretty sure the clone of Palpatine also had a super star destroyer that was twice as large and as powerful as any other super star destroyer and was armed with a planet destroying super-laser of its own.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 16:37 |
Oh you all know what Bowie was like in his youth. Space Bowie has to one up. Still, I'd take Space Bowie and his Death Star toys any day over WALKING BACK IN TIME WITH DA FORCE/FORCE BRAIN CLOT!
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 16:48 |
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VaultAggie posted:I ignored every single one in order to reap more experience. They fixed that bug with the Restoration Pack, you now get more experience for shooting the guys than for defeating them in combat. There's this one bit in KOTOR 2 where Atton starts bitching at T3 for always making him go first in Pazaak and accusing him of getting way more 20s than he should be able to, which was an enjoyable rejoinder of KOTOR 1's even shittier Pazaak.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 17:52 |
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Metal Loaf posted:I'm pretty sure the clone of Palpatine also had a super star destroyer that was twice as large and as powerful as any other super star destroyer and was armed with a planet destroying super-laser of its own. Twice as large would be showing a lot of restraint, by the EU's standards. Are you sure it wasn't like twenty times as large?
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 21:14 |
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:Twice as large would be showing a lot of restraint, by the EU's standards. Are you sure it wasn't like twenty times as large? Surprisingly, after digging around on Wookiepedia for a bit, the final size I can find is 17.5 kilometers, compared to a regular SSD size of 12.8.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 21:37 |
I try not to think about the weight, size, length or crew population of Star Wars space navy ships. They are constantly changing and sometimes the numbers are from impossible to really silly. Some things should be left to the imagination.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 00:03 |
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Rogue1-and-a-half posted:I have to admit that I had totally forgotten the Gun of Command. It does kind of seem like if such a thing existed that it would be used for more than kidnapping ex-girlfriends. I mean, you'd think they'd have busted that thing out during the Vong war at some point. Better at Wookiepedia than you ...............
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 01:16 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:They are constantly changing and sometimes the numbers are from impossible to really silly. Some things should be left to the imagination. I'm sure at one point, I read one of the EU which said in reference to the number of Clones, for Attack of the Clones, they had 3 million clones. 3 million. That's so tiny. I just wish they wouldn't mention these things. It's almost as stupid as trying to explain a scientific explanation for the Force. Why!? It's magic, it doesn't need explaining.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 02:16 |
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That was just Karen Traviss being crazy.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 02:19 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:I'm sure at one point, I read one of the EU which said in reference to the number of Clones, for Attack of the Clones, they had 3 million clones. 3 million. That's so tiny. I never quite understood why something in a fantasy world involving space ships had ground troops to begin with. I mean who cares if you win the ground war if the other side just comes in with ships and cordons off the planet until all your ground troops surrender or starve? I could see it if it was like, some critical planet with ship-building facilities or something but it all just seems so very silly. Almost like it was entirely decided that "we need to have a ground troop war so that we can have a gungan winning it by being silly" or some poo poo.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 03:17 |
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Ursine Asylum posted:I never quite understood why something in a fantasy world involving space ships had ground troops to begin with. I mean who cares if you win the ground war if the other side just comes in with ships and cordons off the planet until all your ground troops surrender or starve? I could see it if it was like, some critical planet with ship-building facilities or something but it all just seems so very silly. Almost like it was entirely decided that "we need to have a ground troop war so that we can have a gungan winning it by being silly" or some poo poo. Same reason island nations have ground troops. They hold landing zones and defense weapons. The ESB Ion cannon comes to mind. Also, some planets can feed themselves indefinitely. And the cost to the inhabitants and infrasctructure of a cordon could make owning the system useless. As to Palpatines bigger star destroyer, you're right. The Eclipse. although I don't think it's superlaser can kill planets, just wipe out capital ships. Oh, and it made an appearance in Empire At War of all things.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 03:40 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:Is there anything Wookieepedia won't list. I wonder what happens if you search for 'dignity'.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 12:08 |
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Urdnot Fire posted:That was just Karen Traviss being crazy. In fairness to Traviss, the number of clones was established before she started writing about them. I think it owes to an ambiguity in the script for Episode II, when the prime minister of Kamino informs Obi-Wan that they've finished twenty-thousand "units" and have a million more on the way without specifying exactly what a "unit" was meant to represent. As a matter of fact, the book Shatterpoint has one scene where Mace Windu observes that there are 1.2 million clones, which is enough for one on every Republic planet with a handful left over.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 15:31 |
If Zahn was soley in charge of the EU the logical numbers thing would have worked out. But since Star Wars is passed around to a series of other authours/money grubbing hacks this data tracking has become an irrelevant waste of time and just reminds us all of that kid we knew in school who needlessly lied and one upped everything. In other news, almost out of Telos in KOTOR 2. I love that game but christ it is such a slow burn to get into at the start.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 15:34 |
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Grendels Dad posted:I wonder what happens if you search for 'dignity'. quote:The Medal of Dignity was an Imperial starfighter pilot medal awarded for successfully holding off Admiral Zaarin's attacks against the Empire's TIE Avenger production facilities.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 16:50 |
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Urdnot Fire posted:TIE Fighter game: Thanks for reminding me that LucasArts is in no rush whatsoever to restore the greatest Star Wars game franchise they ever produced
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 20:18 |
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Okay, I read the EU; some of it I actually like quite a lot. But that is just stupid.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 21:23 |
Palpatine did a lot of drugs in Dark Empire.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:18 |
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This is it. This is the post that officially killed Star Wars for me.quote:My favorite Star Wars conspiracy is that the Emperor wasn't spending all those resources creating crazy superweapons like the Death Star and the Sun Crusher and putting together gigantic fleets of Star Destroyers wasn't to stop the Rebel Alliance, but rather in preparation of the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion that would happen about a quarter century after RoTJ ended. The best part is that it is literally the whole Revan retcon from that god awful MMO time-shifted by however many thousand years. I actually liked NJO, but taking the original movies and reinterpreting them through that lense is as dumb as gently caress and the EU is just bad because poo poo like this happened. The original movies happened. X-Wing and the Zahn books happened. That's it. Nothing else. I'm done. Also, I never read Outbound Flight, but in the context of that last paragraph, I almost wonder if it was Zahn trying his damnedest to clean up the huge loving mess that is the EU and give it some sense of logic. Colonel Pancreas fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Sep 13, 2012 |
# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:23 |
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Don't they actually discuss that exact theory in some of the post-NJO novels?
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:25 |
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astr0man posted:Don't they actually discuss that exact theory in some of the post-NJO novels? Eh, I wish I could say that I stopped reading after bug orgies, but I did the whole "let's turn Jacen Solo into a cartoonishly evil moron" thing too. By that time, I was barely actually processing what I was reading, so they very well could have brought it up.
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astr0man posted:Don't they actually discuss that exact theory in some of the post-NJO novels? The closest they come to that theory is one of the Vong saying: 1. The Empire would have been far better equipped to turn us back from the get go 2. The Empire was basically overrun by these cowardly democratic species 3. Therefore our invasion was ordained by our god because he caused the greater threat to be reduced to a non-threat before we even got here. As for the whole Chiss-knew-about-the-threat thing, that was retconned in. There's no mention of Thrawn/the Chiss being worried about an external threat until the Hand of Thrawn duology, which was late enough that NJO was probably in pre-production, and then it's kind-of-hinted-at in Outbound Flight (which was published either well into or after NJO, iirc). The original Thrawn trilogy implied that the only reason the Emperor put Thrawn out into the Unknown Regions was as a power/territory grab, since Thrawn was good enough to cut a one-man-swath through the entire region with his tiny fleet. ...
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:54 |
Hi-5 buddy.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:57 |
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Colonel Pancreas posted:Also, I never read Outbound Flight, but in the context of that last paragraph, I almost wonder if it was Zahn trying his damnedest to clean up the huge loving mess that is the EU and give it some sense of logic. Thrawn was always supposed to have knowledge of some sort of approaching extragalactic invasion. It's explicitly stated to be the Vong in Outbound Flight (a novel which I really enjoyed, a lot more than Zahn's Hand of Judgment books) but even as far back as Vision of the Future it's revealed that Thrawn was trying to prepare the galaxy for some sort of horror awaiting beyond the edge of the galaxy, which was what eventually led to the conception of the NJO books. (I think it's also worth pointing out that the NJO was originally going to be a comic series, before Lucasbooks basically forced the idea from Dark Horse to Del Rey.) astr0man posted:Don't they actually discuss that exact theory in some of the post-NJO novels? The recent Essential Guide to Warfare establishes this as an in-universe conspiracy theory by unrepentant Imperialists, but I think that's the only time it's been officially brought up in the EU.
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# ? Sep 13, 2012 23:42 |
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As with much of the EU it's probably safest to fudge it. We know he knew about 'an external threat' from Rogue Planet, and Outbound Flight. Sure, he was likely to prepare against it to some extent, but that doesn't mean he didn't also want to be Super-Sith-Emperor-of-All. People can have more than one motivation. Imagine it as a sliding scale, and then pick for yourself where canonically you choose to have the situation lie. Neither needs to kick out the other. That said, one of the things I loved about the excellent Plagueis novel was that Plagueis, while being an absolute Sith ideal, recognised that his ultimate goal was conquest to ensure order, to benefit all. An unselfish absolute dictator. He'd kill and scheme and conquer and show no mercy, but the reason he wanted to rule the Galaxy was because he believed he was the only man (Muun) who could, and the only man who deserved to. Turns out, Palpatine disagreed on that interpretation and still saw the Republic and free people as his (and the Sith's) enemy, so killed Plagueis and used his schemes far less benevolently. That's one of the things I like about the non-Lucas EU - that Sith doesn't have to mean darkside and blood rage. There can be rationality and benevolence in the quest for ultimate power. God, that really turned into a
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# ? Sep 14, 2012 15:21 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPkVruTiStY Yes, I know this is anime, and therefore, for jerks, but goddamn does this look good.
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# ? Sep 14, 2012 17:15 |
There is no kawaii desu desu with that anime style, that short is wonderfully done and I really fecking miss X-Wing versus TIE Fighter. I hope 1313 sells well enough for a remake of those games.
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Cross-Section posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPkVruTiStY drat, that does look awesome. Classic star wars with empire ships and rebel ships Duking it out. Star destroyers actually blowing poo poo up and tie fighters as actually semi-threatening. Even better, the medical frigate gets blown up.
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# ? Sep 14, 2012 18:07 |
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Colonel Pancreas posted:but taking the original movies and reinterpreting them through that lense is as dumb as gently caress and the EU is just bad because poo poo like this happened. The original movies happened. X-Wing and the Zahn books happened. That's it. Nothing else. I'm done. You know, it's funny, but I can read the EU (and I did read Outbound Flight) and enjoy it for what it is, but I have never looked at the EU as effecting the movies in the slightest. I mean, I read that Palpatine did all that about the Vong and I just kind of take it in. But then when I watch the movies the next time, it never even pops into my head. But I mean, it's kinda the same way with the prequels. I mean, when Alec Guinness pops up, do I connect him with Ewan MacGregor in my head? Nope. I suppose that's a measure of just how terribly the EU and the PT failed.
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# ? Sep 14, 2012 18:15 |
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Cross-Section posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPkVruTiStY I'm getting a combination Gundam/Aeon Flux vibe from that. That's pretty cool.
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# ? Sep 14, 2012 19:13 |