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gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

i take back everything negative i've ever said about c#, asp.net, sharepoint. i miss it, i miss straightforward debugging, i miss intellisense, i miss sniping yospos not being the highlight of my day.

i like that they call it 'classic asp' like it was composed by mozart.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 12:27

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tef posted:

you'll get equity

there's always equity at the end of the rainbow

# ? Sep 13, 2012 14:38

double sulk: Jul 2, 2010

deep square leg posted:

i take back everything negative i've ever said about c#, asp.net, sharepoint. i miss it, i miss straightforward debugging, i miss intellisense, i miss sniping yospos not being the highlight of my day.

i like that they call it 'classic asp' like it was composed by mozart.

static analysers own, especially xcode's and intellisense.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 14:49

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

eclipse's intellisense is way better than visual studios

# ? Sep 13, 2012 14:58

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Apr 17, 2007

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Shaggar posted:

eclipse's intellisense is way better than visual studios

heavyweight boxing is really boring.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 16:32

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Shaggar posted:

eclipse's intellisense is way better than visual studios

i have the feeling that things like intellisense/autocomplete let people write bigger programs, rather than better programs.

:yayclod:

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:31

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

tef posted:

i have the feeling that things like intellisense/autocomplete let people write bigger programs, rather than better programs.

i feel the same way about languages that aren't c

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:33

Zaxxon: Feb 14, 2004; Wir Tanzen Mekanik

tef posted:

i have the feeling that things like intellisense/autocomplete let people write bigger programs, rather than better programs.

no they just make people write dumber libraries.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:33

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

rotor posted:

i feel the same way about languages that aren't c

yeah but I think c makes it easy to write buggy programs, where the bugs tend to involve being completely hosed over.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:37

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

also, include files :argh:

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:37

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

slim[e|v] has better autocomplete than either :can:

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

i have the feeling that things like intellisense/autocomplete let people write bigger programs, rather than better programs.

they make it easy to be verbose which is better than being terse. also they just make everything easier since you dont have to constantly look at external documentation to figure out what the thing you're typing does.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:45

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

it feels like you're programming around a black box that you aren't expected to internalize. it's great for writing programs that don't fit in your head.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:49

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

rotor posted:

i feel the same way about languages that aren't c

me, i'm watching http://www.rust-lang.org/

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:51

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

it feels like you're programming around a black box that you aren't expected to internalize. it's great for writing programs that don't fit in your head.

aka most of them. encapsulation is an important part (maybe the most important part) of OO.

the poo poo in the black box is not your concern so dont worry about it. you've got other poo poo to do.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:56

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Shaggar posted:

aka most of them. encapsulation is an important part (maybe the most important part) of OO.

the poo poo in the black box is not your concern so dont worry about it. you've got other poo poo to do.

I hate how schools do such a poor job of teaching encapsulation.

Just mark every field as private, and then have a buch of getters and setters for every field. :rolleye:

# ? Sep 13, 2012 17:59

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Shaggar posted:

aka most of them. encapsulation is an important part (maybe the most important part) of OO.

it's so important in java, you have to defensively copy by hand

quote:

the poo poo in the black box is not your concern so dont worry about it. you've got other poo poo to do.

oh, it's more that the interface to the black box doesn't fit in your head, so you have to look at the docs each time, internal or external

# ? Sep 13, 2012 18:08

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

ps erlang erlang real encapsulation involves isolation erlang erlang

# ? Sep 13, 2012 18:09

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Otto Skorzeny posted:

slim[e|v] has better autocomplete than either

slime rules but i can't justify integrating emacs into every loving thing i do

so i just bought intellij and am fat and happy now

# ? Sep 13, 2012 18:44

Catalyst-proof: May 11, 2011; better waste some time with you

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

slime rules but i can't justify integrating emacs into every loving thing i do

so i just bought intellij and am fat and happy now

i was an emacs freak about this time last year. web browsing, email, IM, loving everything went through emacs. i wrote a bunch of poo poo about how to write web apps in lisp, and used slime extensively (it rules)

then i just kind of snapped out of it one day, literally halfway through rewriting my blog publishing engine in emacs lisp. emacs is loving great for so much but every tool has its tradeoffs depending on what you use it for

i still love the idea of lisp and one language to rule them all but it's a fantasy

# ? Sep 13, 2012 18:52

Coffee Jones: Jul 4, 2004; 16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

I guess the Xemacs project is kind of dead.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 19:18

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

trex eaterofcadrs posted:

i just bought intellij and am fat and happy now

same except ruggedly handsome

# ? Sep 13, 2012 20:22

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

i should take up swimming

# ? Sep 13, 2012 20:28

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

ugh. spent the entire day writing an email about a three page spec detailing all the bad ideas, incompatibilities, and issues with it, while referencing a couple of iso standards and specs. explaining how the xml configuration format is too specific, and explaining how a pipeline works and why that is a good thing.

ugh, programming.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 22:20

gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

tef posted:

ugh. spent the entire day writing an email about a three page spec detailing all the bad ideas, incompatibilities, and issues with it, while referencing a couple of iso standards and specs. explaining how the xml configuration format is too specific, and explaining how a pipeline works and why that is a good thing.

ugh, programming.

ugh

i have to do the same sometimes but i don't want to be "the 'no' guy" so i try to offer alternatives in an optimistic way. doesn't always go down as i'd like.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 23:46

gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

Shaggar posted:

eclipse's intellisense is way better than visual studios

resharper can be fun/annoying.

i don't want my code to be written for me, i know what i need to do, but i like typing "<variable>." and having a list of methods/properties come up so i don't need to look it up. that's all i really want, alanis morissette.

# ? Sep 13, 2012 23:52

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

bbbbut i was promised a life in isolation!! just talk computer!! no talk ppl..

# ? Sep 13, 2012 23:52

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

tef i bet you'd like pycharm's intellicompletionsense; it's crazy smart

jetbrians are some smart dudes

# ? Sep 14, 2012 00:26

gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

Lysidas posted:

tef i bet you'd like pycharm's intellicompletionsense; it's crazy smart

jetbrians are some smart dudes

hadn't heard of it, looks good. $60 seems a good price.

# ? Sep 14, 2012 00:29

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Lysidas posted:

tef i bet you'd like pycharm's intellicompletionsense; it's crazy smart

jetbrians are some smart dudes

tried it once earlier on, tended to fall over and die from memory consumption.

would you believe I write the majority of my code in stock vim over ssh :yayclod:

(I moved to a remote machine to develop on when a local one died. Never moved back)

# ? Sep 14, 2012 01:44

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

JawnV6 posted:

bbbbut i was promised a life in isolation!! just talk computer!! no talk ppl..

the thing about computers is that you have complete control over everything as opposed to how lots of nerds have no control over virtually anything, such as whether to get locked in the gym lockers at school or not

# ? Sep 14, 2012 02:30

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Apr 17, 2007

php:

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objc ftw always

# ? Sep 14, 2012 02:56

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

WHOIS John Galt posted:

i was an emacs freak about this time last year. web browsing, email, IM, loving everything went through emacs. i wrote a bunch of poo poo about how to write web apps in lisp, and used slime extensively (it rules)

then i just kind of snapped out of it one day, literally halfway through rewriting my blog publishing engine in emacs lisp. emacs is loving great for so much but every tool has its tradeoffs depending on what you use it for

i still love the idea of lisp and one language to rule them all but it's a fantasy

I sometimes go on emacs binges like this. What I usually find though is that I end up finding one piece of emacs I hadn't before and twenty odd pieces of utter trash. Possibly also one or two pieces I really like but which don't work.

ps. M-/ supremacy.

# ? Sep 14, 2012 12:35

Zizzyx: Sep 18, 2007; INTERGALACTIC CAN CHAMPION

Zombywuf posted:

I sometimes go on emacs binges like this. What I usually find though is that I end up finding one piece of emacs I hadn't before and twenty odd pieces of utter trash. Possibly also one or two pieces I really like but which don't work.

ps. M-/ supremacy.

i just started using emacs, how does m-/ compare to the standard autocomplete plugin that everyone recommends?

# ? Sep 14, 2012 20:16

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Zizzyx posted:

i just started using emacs, how does m-/ compare to the standard autocomplete plugin that everyone recommends?

which one is that (i too am new to emacs)

# ? Sep 14, 2012 20:18

Tetramin: Apr 1, 2006; I'ma buck you up.

why would you emacs when you can vim

on the other hand i tried out pycharm because of that post earlier and for the autocomplete and navigation poo poo is really nice

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Sep 15, 2012

# ? Sep 15, 2012 02:02