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Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

despite its faults, xaml is a fun word to pronounce

# ? Sep 21, 2012 16:42

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# ? May 20, 2024 13:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

xaml owns and mvvm owns and if you dont like them you're terrible. also java owns and c# owns but not the dumb bad-habit stuff like duck typing

# ? Sep 21, 2012 16:43

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

xaml haha

# ? Sep 21, 2012 16:47

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Toady posted:

xaml haha

# ? Sep 21, 2012 16:51

homercles: Feb 14, 2010

Shaggar posted:

xaml owns and mvvm owns and if you dont like them you're terrible. also java owns and c# owns but not the dumb bad-habit stuff like duck typing

mvvm totally that's what i meant, mvvm is nice i wish microsoft had thought of it before they hard designed xaml to get in its way

i stopped playing with that a good 3-4 years ago maybe it's improved?

# ? Sep 21, 2012 17:27

Dr. Honked: Jan 9, 2011; eat it you slaaaaaaag

Otto Skorzeny posted:

i'm Hype for the hobbit (the second trailer was Neato)

i am excite

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:05

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

homercles posted:

mvvm totally that's what i meant, mvvm is nice i wish microsoft had thought of it before they hard designed xaml to get in its way

i stopped playing with that a good 3-4 years ago maybe it's improved?

xaml is gr8. idk what major changes have been but probably the nicest one was in .net 4 your basic poco properties notify the ui automatically w/out having to implement inotifypropertychanged

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:10

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

if you could write xaml for the web it would rule so hard

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:10

ninjeff: Jan 19, 2004

Shaggar posted:

in .net 4 your basic poco properties notify the ui automatically w/out having to implement inotifypropertychanged

link

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:23

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

idk where i read that but it worked when i tried it. only for simple properties though.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:27

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

also iirc if you do implement inpc (so you can do notifications for complex property changes) then the automatic stuff stops working. Its probably some compiler magic thats implementing the inpc cruft for you on the most basic of pocos

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:30

ninjeff: Jan 19, 2004

Shaggar posted:

also iirc if you do implement inpc (so you can do notifications for complex property changes) then the automatic stuff stops working. Its probably some compiler magic thats implementing the inpc cruft for you on the most basic of pocos

cool i'll give that a shot on monday, thanks shaggar :tipshat:

# ? Sep 21, 2012 18:40

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

xaml is a Good Idea. i dont know what the implementation is like because I dont get to be windows-only.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 19:29

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

code:

<Window x:Class="ExampleCS.Window1"
    xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation"
    xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"
    Title="ExampleCS"
    Loaded="Window1_Loaded"
    >
  <StackPanel>
    <TextBlock HorizontalAlignment="Center" 
          FontWeight="Bold">
      BlogEditor
    </TextBlock>
    <StackPanel Orientation="Horizontal" 
           HorizontalAlignment="Center">
      <ListBox Name="entryListBox" 
          Height="300" 
          SelectionChanged="entryListBox_Changed"/>
      <Grid Width="500" Margin="5">
        <Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
          <ColumnDefinition Width="50" />
          <ColumnDefinition Width="*" />
        </Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
        <Grid.RowDefinitions>
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="*" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
        </Grid.RowDefinitions>
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="0" Grid.Column="0">Title:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="0" Grid.Column="1" Name="titleText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="1" Grid.Column="0">Url:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="1" Grid.Column="1" Name="urlText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="2" Grid.Column="0">Date:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="2" Grid.Column="1" Name="dateText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="3" Grid.Column="0">Body:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="3" Grid.Column="1" 
            Name="bodyText" 
            TextWrapping="Wrap" />
        <Button Grid.Row="4" 
                  Grid.ColumnSpan="2" 
                  Grid.Column="1"
            Click="updateButton_Click">
          Update
        </Button>
      </Grid>
    </StackPanel>
  </StackPanel>
</Window>

lol

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:07

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

???

looks fine to me man. not sure what u lolin at.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:10

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

ok write verbose xml for interfaces in 2012 then

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:13

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

oh god not structured data. it even has a loving schema??? holy poo poo theres no way i, a "web" developer can gently caress this up. this is unacceptable.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:16

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Toady posted:

ok write verbose xml for interfaces in 2012 then

show me the nice terse way you create grids then

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:16

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

*posts 10 megs of jquery*

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:18

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

oh and heres the css framework to go with it.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:19

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

rotor posted:

show me the nice terse way you create grids then

in the gui duh

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:23

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Hard NOP Life posted:

in the gui duh

yeah, there is (was?) at least two guis that emit xaml

also KDE has a cool thing where you use illustrator to author yo poo poo then export it as svg and BAM you got a gui son

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:25

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

basically what i'm saying is that this thing where you split design work from engineering as much as possible is a good idea. i dont care what the intermediate format is, as long as I can just agree on names with some arty dude with a lip ring and then have a pretty gui in a couple weeks.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

yeah vs has a gui xaml editor and then theres expression blend or w/e for designers. but really its xml w/ published schemas so anyone can write their own ui for it; both for generating xamls and for consuming them as part of a compiled product.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:27

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

rotor posted:

basically what i'm saying is that this thing where you split design work from engineering as much as possible is a good idea. i dont care what the intermediate format is, as long as I can just agree on names with some arty dude with a lip ring and then have a pretty gui in a couple weeks.

i dont really like to be limited by, like, boxes maaaan... put everything in a stackpanel and just go with the flow

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:28

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

imagine a world where every data format is based on sexprs

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:29

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

Otto Skorzeny posted:

imagine a world where every data format is based on sexprs

♫ ... its easy if you try
imagine there's no C++
no hell below us... ♫

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:40

Rufus Ping: Dec 27, 2006; I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

i did some python today after doing clojure for a couple of months and its rly fuckin ugly omg :pwn:

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:42

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

rotor posted:

???

looks fine to me man. not sure what u lolin at.

the only lolly thing about it to me is the grid definition, with the textboxes following the definition and not inside it, but i'm pretty sure i dont have to write that poo poo in notepad so i really dont care that much.

and using any format, verbose xml or othewise, is probably going to work just fine for 99% of the time. like, unless your making software for some microcontroller with 7 bytes of ram.

and besides, computer time is cheap, the less work hu-mans have to do, the better.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:46

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Milkie Galore posted:

i did some python today after doing clojure for a couple of months and its rly fuckin ugly omg

it's a good match for your FACE then !!!! :twisted:

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:47

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

naw im just playin

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:47

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

u know we bros rufo

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:47

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

rotor posted:

show me the nice terse way you create grids then

i drag my controls out in interface builder like a sane human being

windows developers manually edit their xaml, and they bitch constantly about the editor and how intellisense fucks up because of the dynamic typing

it's pretty funny

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:49

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Toady posted:

windows developers edit their xaml by hand, and they bitch constantly about the editor and how intellisense fucks up because of xaml's dynamic typing

no they dont?

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:49

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

rotor posted:

show me the nice terse way you create grids then

let the cia do it and pass out heroin needles

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:50

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Otto Skorzeny posted:

imagine a world where every data format is based on sexprs

xml is just bad sexprs

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:51

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Cocoa Crispies posted:

let the cia do it and pass out heroin needles

nicely done.

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:52

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

rotor posted:

no they dont?

i know the propaganda is that xaml is supposed to be handled by visual designers, but most developers eventually hand-edit xaml, mostly to fix broken output (e.g. blend's margin positioning and other layout guesses it makes). it is how windows development works, sorry to burst the bubble

# ? Sep 21, 2012 20:58

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Toady posted:

code:

<Window x:Class="ExampleCS.Window1"
    xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml/presentation"
    xmlns:x="http://schemas.microsoft.com/winfx/2006/xaml"
    Title="ExampleCS"
    Loaded="Window1_Loaded"
    >
  <StackPanel>
    <TextBlock HorizontalAlignment="Center" 
          FontWeight="Bold">
      BlogEditor
    </TextBlock>
    <StackPanel Orientation="Horizontal" 
           HorizontalAlignment="Center">
      <ListBox Name="entryListBox" 
          Height="300" 
          SelectionChanged="entryListBox_Changed"/>
      <Grid Width="500" Margin="5">
        <Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
          <ColumnDefinition Width="50" />
          <ColumnDefinition Width="*" />
        </Grid.ColumnDefinitions>
        <Grid.RowDefinitions>
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
          <RowDefinition Height="*" />
          <RowDefinition Height="25" />
        </Grid.RowDefinitions>
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="0" Grid.Column="0">Title:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="0" Grid.Column="1" Name="titleText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="1" Grid.Column="0">Url:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="1" Grid.Column="1" Name="urlText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="2" Grid.Column="0">Date:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="2" Grid.Column="1" Name="dateText" />
        <TextBlock Grid.Row="3" Grid.Column="0">Body:</TextBlock>
        <TextBox Grid.Row="3" Grid.Column="1" 
            Name="bodyText" 
            TextWrapping="Wrap" />
        <Button Grid.Row="4" 
                  Grid.ColumnSpan="2" 
                  Grid.Column="1"
            Click="updateButton_Click">
          Update
        </Button>
      </Grid>
    </StackPanel>
  </StackPanel>
</Window>

lol

Are you you windows guys still specifying the heights of your widgets manually?

Also, dynamic attributes that you have to parse to reference other elements by absolute position?

Was xaml invented in a time machine?

# ? Sep 21, 2012 21:04

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# ? May 20, 2024 13:26

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

no you see, xaml is never seen thanks to gui designers

except when the designer hands it over to the programmer who has to hand-edit anyway

# ? Sep 21, 2012 21:08

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