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Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
I just got off the phone with my mom and she mentioned her phone bill, does this sound right, and is there anything she can do it lower it? It's quite difficult getting reliable information from her because she paraphrases everything and only tells me what she thinks matters but I tried and here's what I have:

The line is a 700 minute family shared plan with 4 lines:

- Line 1: $50 for the plan, $29.99 for "email and web unlimited", $9.99 for the line*, $6.99 for insurance
- Line 2: $29.99 for "email and web unlimited", $9.99 for the line, $6.99 for insurance
- Line 3: $30 for "data package 2 GB", $9.99 for the line, no insurance (iPhone)
- Line 4: $9.99 for the line**

Notes:

* I told her that it makes absolutely no sense that the primary line has a $50 charge for the plan and then a $10 charge for the "line" but she insisted it was the way it was.

** This is a dumbphone line that I guess she wanted to cancel but was cheaper to pay out the contract (until January) than to pay an ETF. I have no idea how long she's been paying this for but whatever.

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So I'm guessing the data plans on line 2 and 3 are grandfathered data plans because they specifically say unlimited, and the third line says 2 GB?

Frist of all, is there any way to lower this bill? It seems pretty standard smart phone data + additional line to me so I can't think of anything. I'm just really iffy about the additional "line" on the primary line. I'm also confused because while my mom kept telling me $50 for the plan, she sent me a picture that had a charge for $44 for "account charges and credit" which I'm guessing is a discounted $50?

Second, while the first two lines are using Android phones and don't need SMS plans (Google Voice), the third one (my mom's) is an iPhone and she's trying to use Google Voice on it but really it's just a pain in the rear end because it doesn't integrate into iOS like it does on the Android phones that I really want her to just delete the god drat app and pay for a normal SMS plan because I'm tired of troubleshooting why her google voice isn't working over Skype. Is there some special plan she could pick up here that would give her data and SMS?

e: I see. Ok, makes sense. I never had Verizon so I didn't know.

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Oct 6, 2012

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WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no

Boris Galerkin posted:

* I told her that it makes absolutely no sense that the primary line has a $50 charge for the plan and then a $10 charge for the "line" but she insisted it was the way it was.

I'm just really iffy about the additional "line" on the primary line. I'm also confused because while my mom kept telling me $50 for the plan, she sent me a picture that had a charge for $44 for "account charges and credit" which I'm guessing is a discounted $50?

Here's the deal about that.

Remember how plans used to be "$69.99 for the first two lines, $9.99 for additional lines"? They still are, but they've changed how it's charged. It used to be that the primary line would get charged $60 and each other line got charged $9.99. Now they've broken out that $60 charge for the first line as a $50 "account charge" and made it so each line (including the primary) has a $9.99 line charge. Same amount of money (within a penny), different line items.

They made that change back in the spring of this year, if I remember correctly.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!



Have your mom (or whomever is the primary account holder) go here:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/support/employee-discount-email

Using my work email address, I get 20% off per month.

z06ck
Dec 22, 2010

Is there any benefit of buying a phone SGS III for example at full retail and doing a month to month (other than not being in a contract)? It seems the monthly price would be the same.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

z06ck posted:

Is there any benefit of buying a phone SGS III for example at full retail and doing a month to month (other than not being in a contract)?
There's two:

1. You can buy the Developer Edition model from Samsung which comes with an unlocked bootloader, should you decide to install CM or something at some point.

It's not strictly necessary to do so right now, as an unlocked bootloader for locked/Verizon sold/subsidized model leaked out, but if you were purchasing retail anyways, I might consider it. The downside is that it only has a 30 day warranty.

2. If you have unlimited data, you can keep unlimited data.

z06ck posted:

It seems the monthly price would be the same.
That's true.

Ozmodiar
Sep 25, 2003

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

kensei posted:

Have your mom (or whomever is the primary account holder) go here:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/support/employee-discount-email

Using my work email address, I get 20% off per month.

Is it possible to do this is you're NOT the primary account holder?

I'm jumping from Sprint to my parents Verizon account in a couple months (Sprint blows, keeps getting worse, and it really won't cost me any more money for Verizon coverage and LTE)...but the account is in my Dad's name.

I'm sure we could do a ToL, but if I don't have to, that'd be great.

Vietnom nom nom
Oct 24, 2000
Forum Veteran
Currently on an out of contract AT&T family plan (4 lines), was thinking of switching to Verizon (all 4 lines would be iPhone 5's) since their coverage seems to be better at some key locations where the phones get used.

Couple questions:

1. I'd like to make the switch, but it isn't strictly necessary, plus the AT&T plan is grandfathered on unlimited data. I related that fact to a Verizon rep on the phone, and in a corporate store, and asked them if they could do a better deal than AT&T's retention department. Both stated they weren't allowed to negotiate at all. When we originally joined AT&T from T-Mobile, they payed for a $200 ETF fee on one of the lines, plus threw in some other sweeteners, I guess Verizon isn't as desperate for new customers?

2. If I were able to get an employee discount, can I apply it to my bill after I signed up for Verizon service? So if I pre-order the phones online now, once I receive them can I go down to the corporate store and show them the work ID badge and get the discount applied?

Galler
Jan 28, 2008


It's very unlikely they will give you any incentive for switching over. For the discount there's a page on their website where you enter your work email and then click on a link that gets sent to that address and the discount gets applied. Eventually.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

I have a droid razr and it is starting to suck.

Battery could be better but the main thing that is really pissing me off is that messaging list takes a few seconds to update from the number to the name. There should be no lag in that at all. It should be loving immediate.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Doctor Butts posted:

I have a droid razr and it is starting to suck.

Battery could be better but the main thing that is really pissing me off is that messaging list takes a few seconds to update from the number to the name. There should be no lag in that at all. It should be loving immediate.
Do you have thousands of messages? Messaging on my Droid X would be really slow when I had a large number of them. When I cleared them it would be fast again.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Messages are limited to 200 per contact, but only have one contact with that many messages I could try lowering it to 100 or something. Probably have a total of 300 messages right now.

Yea maybe I need to clear some of this poo poo out.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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Doctor Butts posted:

Probably have a total of 300 messages right now.
300 ain't poo poo. Your phone is way better than my X was and it would be fine until I hit 4 digits in a single messaging thread. Even then it would just take a while to bring up the conversation, the thread list still came up quickly. Maybe there's an issue with the way it's handling contacts. You don't have them on the SIM or something dumb like that, do you?

sourdough
Apr 30, 2012
Doctor rear end in a top hat diagnosing problems for Doctor Butts :golfclap:

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

Ozmodiar posted:

Is it possible to do this is you're NOT the primary account holder?

I'm jumping from Sprint to my parents Verizon account in a couple months (Sprint blows, keeps getting worse, and it really won't cost me any more money for Verizon coverage and LTE)...but the account is in my Dad's name.

I'm sure we could do a ToL, but if I don't have to, that'd be great.

You can fill out the online form, with dad's info, but your email and if your email is accepted by the computer automatically, it will usually work.

Will it stick if that discount ever gets audited? Maybe yes, maybe no.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-will-sunset-2g-and-3g-cdma-networks-2021

Verizon has announced 2021 as the year in which their 1x and EVDO networks go dark for good, ending the age of CDMA2000 in the US.

ProjektorBoy
Jun 18, 2002

I FUCK LINEN IN MY SPARE TIME!
Grimey Drawer

Doctor Butts posted:

I have a droid razr and it is starting to suck.

Battery could be better but the main thing that is really pissing me off is that messaging list takes a few seconds to update from the number to the name. There should be no lag in that at all. It should be loving immediate.

This is a common Android problem in general. If the SMS database is too big it's going to rescan the entire DB when reopening the text app. The default of 200 sms + 50 mms is just too high for a lot of devices, even today. I usually drop that to 100+10 and it seems to do okay.

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.
Looks like the RazrHD is dropping on the 16th.


Promo lit is here already, looks like they will be advertising the crap out of it.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Does the promo material say 4.0.4 or 4.1.1 (if you can't say, that's fine)?

I'm curious as to whether or not the JB builds are done for it to launch with JB or if it's going to launch with ICS and go to JB like the M.

Galler
Jan 28, 2008


I finally convinced my boss to let me switch back to Android! I'm on a corporate plan with an iPhone 4 and will be switching to a GNex which I bought used. Can I just stop by a Verizon corporate store on the way into work and pick up a sim and then when I get to work my boss (the account manager) and I can transfer the device over like normal? We swap devices on lines all the time but we've not gone from a 3G to 4G device before.

pbpancho
Feb 17, 2004
-=International Sales=-

Mighty Horse posted:

Looks like the RazrHD is dropping on the 16th.


Promo lit is here already, looks like they will be advertising the crap out of it.

It's the 18th, just announced officially. MAXX HD is out same day.

texaholic
Sep 16, 2007

Well it's floodin' down in Texas
All of the telephone lines are down
http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/10/motorola-droid-razr-smartphones.html

Verizon's Razr HD announcement

Edit: I can't find the off contract price, does anyone know where to find it?

texaholic fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Oct 11, 2012

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


If I were to guess, $599 for the HD and $649 or $699 for the HD MAXX.

I would say $549 for the HD and $649 for the MAXX, but I think the M already occupies $549.

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.

bull3964 posted:

Does the promo material say 4.0.4 or 4.1.1 (if you can't say, that's fine)?

I'm curious as to whether or not the JB builds are done for it to launch with JB or if it's going to launch with ICS and go to JB like the M.

It doesn't say for sure, but it looks like ICS...just a generic "Android 4.0" on the stuff we got.

Looks like we are GETTING them on the 16th, with a on sale date of the 18th, so unless we get told not to, we are selling them on the 16th. :)

Mighty Horse fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Oct 11, 2012

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I was all amped to buy this outright but now I'm getting phone fatigue I think. My Galaxy Nexus hasn't done anything particularly offensive to me for awhile and JB should be coming to my Razr soon. As much as I want the massive battery life of the MAXX, I don't think I can justify spending upwards of $700 for it right now when quad core Krait phones are starting to hit.

I'll probably wait and see what pans out for this occam codename and the nexus program in general.

I have less than a year left on my Verizon contract anyways and I'm just not sure I want to give up my subsidy to keep unlimited, but if I'm going to be forced to a tiered plan I might as well evaluate all my options and I'm just SO drat tired of hoop jumping around Verizon hardware restrictions.

pbpancho
Feb 17, 2004
-=International Sales=-
RAZR HD will launch with ICS. Jellybean before the end of the year. I've had a production RAZR HD for a couple weeks now, it's very nice but I am spoiled by my tiny RAZR M.

texaholic
Sep 16, 2007

Well it's floodin' down in Texas
All of the telephone lines are down

pbpancho posted:

RAZR HD will launch with ICS. Jellybean before the end of the year. I've had a production RAZR HD for a couple weeks now, it's very nice but I am spoiled by my tiny RAZR M.

How is the battery life on the Razr HD?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

pbpancho posted:

RAZR HD will launch with ICS. Jellybean before the end of the year. I've had a production RAZR HD for a couple weeks now, it's very nice but I am spoiled by my tiny RAZR M.

How can the company that owns the android software not release a software current phone. It would be like apple releasing the new iphone with ios5.

Galler
Jan 28, 2008


It's going to take a long time for Google and Motorola Mobilty to full integrate. Assuming Google even wants to do that. There's a pretty good chance Google only bought them for the patents so that they can better defend Android against Apple.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

Don Lapre posted:

How can the company that owns the android software not release a software current phone. It would be like apple releasing the new iphone with ios5.

Because the phone was probably in the planning and production phase long before google bought Motorola.

pbpancho
Feb 17, 2004
-=International Sales=-

texaholic posted:

How is the battery life on the Razr HD?

It's great, the bigger battery and the S4 make it almost comparable to the MAXX I was using before this. The M gets crazy good battery life as well, I ususally end the day (we're talking 7-8AM to 10 or 11PM) with 30% or more.

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.
Confirming the crazy good battery on the M.

I was sick yesterday so it sat all day not being used and only lost like 14% charge.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Mighty Horse posted:

Confirming the crazy good battery on the M.

I was sick yesterday so it sat all day not being used and only lost like 14% charge.

How the hell is this good?

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009

right arm posted:

How the hell is this good?

how isnt it? most phones wil drop 50 percent in a day of idle minimum.

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

right arm posted:

How the hell is this good?
Because finishing a day of standby on a dual-radio dual-core LTE phone with an undersized battery and a 4-inch screen and 86% battery remaining is loving incredible?

:confused:

pbpancho
Feb 17, 2004
-=International Sales=-

kbar posted:

Because finishing a day of standby on a dual-radio dual-core LTE phone with an undersized battery and a 4-inch screen and 86% battery remaining is loving incredible?

:confused:

Keep in mind the built-in 2000mah battery is larger than the vast majority of stock batteries. And losing 14% is not bad at all, especially if it was still syncing various emails and all that jazz. It's not like it was left in airplane mode all day...

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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My GNEx will lose 14% over a period of 3-4 hours on idle without WiFi on. So yeah, only losing 14% all day is pretty incredible.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

kbar posted:

Because finishing a day of standby on a dual-radio dual-core LTE phone with an undersized battery and a 4-inch screen and 86% battery remaining is loving incredible?

:confused:

I dunno, the iPhone 5 manages to lose less than 14% battery in a day of not being used.

butt dickus
Jul 7, 2007

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right arm posted:

I dunno, the iPhone 5 manages to lose less than 14% battery in a day of not being used.
Apple claims a standby time of 225 hours, or about 11% per day so it's almost equal? Signal will matter a lot, too, and it's not uncommon for an iPhone 5 to lose 15% overnight. I'm guessing the two are about on par, and that's saying a lot for an Android device.

kbar
Aug 9, 2002

It's very obviously less about the operating system and more about the fact that we're on second-gen LTE radios.

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Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

notwithoutmyanus posted:

how isnt it? most phones wil drop 50 percent in a day of idle minimum.
Don't buy bad phones.

kbar posted:

It's very obviously less about the operating system and more about the fact that we're on second-gen LTE radios.
We have other data points (tablets in particular) that imply that the operating system does impact battery life significantly.

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