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detroit posted:i write things in mumps for a living, welp see ya talk about owned
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detroit posted:i write things in mumps for a living, welp see ya unironic condolences
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Oct 25, 2012 04:59
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Do mumps jobs pay well? That seems like the sort of thing where no one can tell if ur doing a good job or taking the piss and that sounds p good to me
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Oct 25, 2012 05:44
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Nomnom Cookie posted:Do mumps jobs pay well? they pay like 15% below market
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Oct 25, 2012 05:51
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its competitive enough to attract new cs graduates and keep them churning out self-obfuscating code for a handful of years, but ive never seen anyone with prior programming experience in the real world go after a mumps job
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Oct 25, 2012 05:52
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i thought about moving to atlanta for a while but half their available jobs that dont require clearance are video tech (already done it) and the other half are hospital IT (no)
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Oct 25, 2012 06:50
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tef posted:isn't D what happens when you try and reverse engineer a language out of a c++ compiler? what comes out of a ++c compiler? d♯?
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detroit posted:its competitive enough to attract new cs graduates and keep them churning out self-obfuscating code for a handful of years, but ive never seen anyone with prior programming experience in the real world go after a mumps job Otto Skorzeny posted:they pay like 15% below market
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Oct 25, 2012 07:09
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Gazpacho posted:i thought about moving to atlanta for a while but half their available jobs that dont require clearance are video tech (already done it) and the other half are hospital IT (no)
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Oct 25, 2012 07:10
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5. What do M programmers love about M? High productivity, low hardware requirements, good scalability. [Thomas C. Salander in M Computing, June 1994, p.74] I still program with other languages (Pascal, C, APL, LISP, and so on), but almost always find myself saying, 'but it's so much easier in MUMPS!' ... it's just plain quicker to implement most applications MUMPS. MUMPS is a powerful computing language designed to solve real-world problems. [John Lewkowicz, The Complete MUMPS, p. xii] When I was first at the VA, Greg here gave me a 1 page batch of M code and asked if I could do it any faster in C. Two weeks, a lot of aspirin, and two compilers later, I had 'barely' working code (it would only run *once*). [Mark Komarinski] M is powerful and succinct. It's excellent for general hacking. If I suddenly get a hankering for the first thousand digits of pi, or for all the order 4 magic squares, or for a table of word frequencies in a document, I don't know of any language I can accomplish this in faster. [Keith F. Lynch] f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x "f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q s q=p#f" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8 [part of Keith Lynch's .signature; it prints a table of primes, including code to format it neatly into columns--DPBS] I really like the way that the global tree is "just there" without any file opening, record declarations, and the like. [Kevin O'Gorman] Indirection. Execute strings. String subscripts. Enormously valuable. No other language has all of them. [Ricardo Garcia] I haven't touched MUMPS since the late 70's. I`ve been missing globals ever since. While I was using MUMPS I implemented a simple programming tool couple of pages of MUMPS code. I've missed that tool ever since, as well as how easy it was to implement. [Steve J. Morris]
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Oct 25, 2012 07:13
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hey tbc bow before your masters
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Nomnom Cookie posted:One bad thing about nova is 95% of the jobs are making webs or full scope w/poly required
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Oct 25, 2012 07:19
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so codin mumps is like codin cobol but without the big salary?
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Oct 25, 2012 07:19
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my favourite part of cobol is all the reserved words for dealing with magnetic tape
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Cold on a Cob posted:my favourite part of cobol is all the reserved words for dealing with magnetic tape mine is the part where you have to be in the right column or your poo poo won't compile/becomes a comment pic X(9) my balls
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:mine is the part where you have to be in the right column or your poo poo won't compile/becomes a comment ugh yeah forgot that part lol glad i've never had to do any real work in cobol and my exposure to it was purely masochistic curiousity
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MononcQc posted:Unrelated, don't gently caress up SSL please: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~dabo/pubs/abstracts/ssl-client-bugs.html Holy poo poo, thanks for the link. quote:For example, Amazon’s Flexible Payments Service PHP library attempts to enable hostname verification by setting
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Hard NOP Life posted:Holy poo poo, thanks for the link. 1. they did something stupid by changing the value. the default behavior is what they wanted 2. this behavior is explicitly documented 3. the correct settings for CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYHOST and CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER are both false because otherwise you'll sometimes get these pain in the rear end SSL errors
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Hard NOP Life posted:Holy poo poo, thanks for the link. lol php
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Sweeper posted:lol web scripting
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Oct 25, 2012 16:33
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also its dawned upon me that i'm a pos coder so now my goal in life is to bullshit enough to get a lovely job with little responsibility
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Orbi posted:also its dawned upon me that i'm a pos
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Orbi posted:also its dawned upon me that i'm a pos coder so now my goal in life is to bullshit enough to get a lovely job with little responsibility same
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goddamn my avatar looks loving awesome
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Oct 25, 2012 16:38
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WHOIS John Galt posted:goddamn my avatar looks loving awesome yah its good
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Orbi posted:also its dawned upon me that i'm a pos coder so now my goal in life is to bullshit enough to get a lovely job with little responsibility done learn java and all your dreams can come true
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Oct 25, 2012 17:08
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Gazpacho posted:i thought about moving to atlanta for a while but half their available jobs that dont require clearance are video tech (already done it) and the other half are hospital IT (no) getting a clearance isn't that bad, I have awful credit and copped to prior drug use and I still got one you just need a few months lead time and some good explanations for any derogatory information and not be a current and active gently caress up of course
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lamentable dustman posted:done
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Oct 25, 2012 17:40
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java is fine, i dont get the hate. if it ever got actual function pointers that'd be just the best.
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Sweeper posted:lol php More than that. Of note:
Particular weaknesses and issues are seen in the SSL libraries for Java, Python, and PHP, and some blame goes to cURL. Interesting Tiny Bug Childesque quotes obtained from forums, replicated in the paper: quote:
11.1 has DOs and Don'ts for devs. Basically: test your poo poo, don't disable cert verifications, don't depend on default settings 11.2 for SSL lib developers: make semantics more explicit, don't delegate the responsibility of connections handlings to apps, get some god drat error reporting in there.
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MononcQc posted:don't disable cert verifications, don't depend on default settings wrong and wrong. php's default settings are the correct behavior so you should leave them alone, unless you're dealing with someone who has a bad cert and doesn't really care about it, in which case you have no option but to disable validation MononcQc posted:"I have always turned off CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFYPEER in curl." i do this by default too because otherwise your poo poo will break when the other guy forgets to renew his cert
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it's u, your'are the reason papers are written about terrible devs
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yeah hey boss it's me, tiny bug child. i'm sorry but we can't put these cross-sales on our join form anymore cause the shithead who runs them is too busy blowing huge rails of coke to buy a new ssl certificate and an internet person says i'm not allowed to just shrug and ignore it
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MononcQc posted:More than that. Of note: thats not a weakness in java ssl, its a bunch of people disabling the certification validation.
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also there arent vulnerabilites in those apache projects, those are apache projects people use and then disable the ssl validation. what retard wrote that?
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Shaggar posted:thats not a weakness in java ssl, its a bunch of people disabling the certification validation. The paper blames the lib for being a badly designed POS that causes these errors. quote:For example, JSSE (Java Secure Socket Extension) has multiple interfaces for managing SSL connections. The “advanced” SSLSocketFactory API silently skips hostname verification if the algorithm field in the SSL client is NULL or an empty string rather than HTTPS. Then they go on and blame the Java libraries built using the Java SSL stuff as being generically insecure, mostly because the underlying Java libraries are badly designed. E: typoes MononcQc fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Oct 25, 2012 |
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rotor posted:java is fine, i dont get the hate. i like java because it makes it cost effective for jetbrians to release their IDEs for linux
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i'm probably going to start working in java soon. it's the absolute worst but at this point i don't see how it could be worse than anything else still gonna script in python and experiment with go and clojure at home, gently caress the haters
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