VanSandman posted:So Jones is basically confirmed pre-human, right? Nah, there were humans during the later parts of the Pleistocene, so it would depend on when in the Pleistocene this was. Modern humans first appeared between 250,000 and 400,000 years ago, any earlier than that and she is pre-human.
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Coach Sport posted:Jones is immortal. My theory is that she's the product of some misguided court immortality/godhood experiment that went terribly wrong and resulted in her living forever. Literally forever, so she retroactively exists at every moment in time back to the formation of the universe. Having accidentally and irrevocably altered human history and the fundamental nature of reality forever, the court swears off this etheric science nonsense and decides to achieve their quest to become gods through the much safer avenue of robots. Okay, this actually got me thinking. Coyote said Jones was the perfect example of his Great Secret, namely that he's merely a personification of man's fears and emotions within the Ether. So maybe Jones is a personification of the Ether itself. This would mean she came into existence around the same time as mankind, and would exist for as long as mankind and the Ether both exist.
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Oct 31, 2012 08:33
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Nah, there were humans during the later parts of the Pleistocene, so it would depend on when in the Pleistocene this was. Modern humans first appeared between 250,000 and 400,000 years ago, any earlier than that and she is pre-human. Well, it does mean that Jones is older than Coyote. I really hope those two never throw down. It'll distract from all the character-building and school-based shenanigans.
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Oct 31, 2012 09:08
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For some reason this update looks to me like the origin of Jones is imminent. Like, this is the first time in her life she has seen anything but ice, and she came into existence somewhere within this glacier.
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Oct 31, 2012 09:51
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VanSandman posted:So Jones is basically confirmed pre-human, right? If you had clicked here to learn about stuff, you'd know that the Pleistocene ended 11 700 years ago, and that Cro-Magnon aka "European Early Modern Humans" were attested 43 000 years ago.
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Oct 31, 2012 09:52
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Cthulhuchan posted:I don't think the length of it hasn't changed much, but yeah the styling has. Perhaps her hair doesn't grow and cannot be cut?
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Oct 31, 2012 09:55
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Anyone consider Jones might be relaying this story to Annie, and much like Coyote's etheric visage is a little overwhelming, she's keeping her image familiar for Annie's sake?
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Oct 31, 2012 10:12
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We did consider that, but it got in the way of our ability to be outraged about the possibility that racism was taking place in a fantasy webcomic.FronzelNeekburm posted:In a fit of conscience, Tom redraws Jones in every page to exactly match the indigenous people, so as not to offend anyone. "That woman is Eglamore's girlfriend."
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Oct 31, 2012 11:05
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I'm starting to think that Jones isn't people.
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Oct 31, 2012 11:06
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pandaK posted:What if Jones experiences time in reverse Listen: Emma Jones has come unstuck in time.
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Oct 31, 2012 12:24
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Nah, there were humans during the later parts of the Pleistocene, so it would depend on when in the Pleistocene this was. Modern humans first appeared between 250,000 and 400,000 years ago, any earlier than that and she is pre-human. Maybe she's left over from a previous rotation of the great wheel, or the Hyborean Age.
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Oct 31, 2012 12:51
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I might be mixing my Homestuck and Gunnerkrigg theories, but maybe she's literally an agent of the author stuck into the world to make sure everything proceeds as it should. That would fit the "not an existing mythology" criteria.
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Oct 31, 2012 15:35
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You know, with all this talk about how drat old/invincible Jones is, it's got me thinking that this also may be some great, big narrative set-up for an eventual, spectacular death.
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Oct 31, 2012 15:41
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Cabbit posted:I might be mixing my Homestuck and Gunnerkrigg theories, but maybe she's literally an agent of the author stuck into the world to make sure everything proceeds as it should. That would fit the "not an existing mythology" criteria. I really hope not. It works in Homestuck because of the tone of the story, the fact that multiple universes are canonically a thing, and most importantly, because Hussie avoids putting his insert character anywhere near anything that's meant to be taken seriously. Here it would just be stupid.
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Renaissance Robot posted:We did consider that, but it got in the way of our ability to be outraged about the possibility that racism was taking place in a fantasy webcomic. As for Jones Breaking Evolution, I kinda figure that's been done enough with minotaurs and fairies and weird dragon things already that a pre-human robot lady isn't going to strain that credibility too much. Haledjian fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Oct 31, 2012 15:53
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Haledjian posted:You know, I'm kind of in the "wait and see" camp, but there's been more outrage and "oh god what is this tumblr" type hostility in response to what was honestly a pretty low key criticism in the first place. Given how freewheeling the discussion usually is in here it's a pretty conspicuous amount of effort to shut that line of questioning down.
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See also: flavour of the month/ . It'll go out of fashion as a source of easy jokes in a few months at most.Haledjian posted:You know, I'm kind of in the "wait and see" camp, but there's been more outrage and "oh god what is this tumblr" type hostility in response to what was honestly a pretty low key criticism in the first place. Given how freewheeling the discussion usually is in here it's a pretty conspicuous amount of effort to shut that line of questioning down. I see a lot of the same faces in here I do in the PYF mock thread (aka the PYF awful poo poo that makes you mad thread); any overreaction here almost certainly has a lot to do with prolonged exposure to peak internet. Looking at that stuff too much skews your perception of how prevalent hyperbolic moral outrage really is, and makes you see it where it isn't. On the other hand, what discussion? What is there to talk about other than saying how bad it would be if the chapter went in a certain direction? That poo poo sucks, but if you wanna talk about it go hog wild for all of me. e/ If we were at the end of the chapter and people were arguing about a depiction of the eternal white lady that actually happened on paper, in the past, and whether the excuse of it being a narrative device stopped it being racist? I probably wouldn't have made that lovely joke. Talking about it before it's even happened is just kind of depressing though. Don't want to believe that something I like could do something weird enough that even I could pick up on it, you know? Let me hope for another week or two. 
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Oct 31, 2012 16:54
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It's a really loving dumb criticism, and it's not a "line of questioning" at all - that'd involve putting actual effort into unpacking its actual ramifications or making a case that it means what they say or doing literally anything more than tut-tutting about how "problematic" it all is. That's not "questioning", that's censure. Using a British fantasy comic dealing with mostly European mythical figures including a European mythical critter of some sort that looks like a European as an excuse to make a lot of bad posts about "the issues with Jones the eternal attractive white lady" and analysis of how the comic is some kind of racist erasure of factual biology because obviously this is the most relevant thing to possibly-imaginary magic woman is like the most boneheaded SJW witchhunt line of thinking you could take. I'm, like, pretty sure that nobody's getting the idea that the comic's refuting/denying the African diaspora or claiming white people are humanity's eternal demigod forbears except internet nerds looking for something to condemn, although if someone wants to detail that instead of acting Offended and then moan about being silenced when anyone disagrees with them they're perfectly free to. Lord help us if Wotan ever shows up. Or Gaia - "HOW COME THE NURTURING EARTH SPIRIT ALWAYS GOTTA BE A WOMAN HUH???"
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I think you're pissed about a lot more than a couple lines in this thread.
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I totally called it. Countdown to Jones hi-fiving a velociraptor: 2 updates.
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Renaissance Robot posted:On the other hand, what discussion? What is there to talk about other than saying how bad it would be if the chapter went in a certain direction? That poo poo sucks, but if you wanna talk about it go hog wild for all of me. Unfortunately there is a tendency (one that's been around long before Tumblr or the internet) for some people to treat any suggestion that something might have racial issues as way more transgressive than all but the most blatant racism. And to characterize any criticism along those lines, no matter how low-key, as a hysterical overreaction. I think "Tumblr SJ" makes it easier for people to do that insofar as it provides a nice strawman to associate that kind of discussion with, just like Political Correctness Gone Mad has been for the last, I don't know, fifteen years. But I don't think it's the cause. Haledjian fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Murderion posted:Listen:  Suaimhneas posted:I really hope not. It works in Homestuck because of the tone of the story, the fact that multiple universes are canonically a thing, and most importantly, because Hussie avoids putting his insert character anywhere near anything that's meant to be taken seriously. Here it would just be stupid. Agreed. Gunnerkrigg is an engaging and at times serious fantasy comic with a focus on enigmatic world-building. Homestuck is a comic wherein both the guys from Insane Clown Posse were elected President simultaneously. The literal author-insert character works in Homestuck thanks to how ridiculously self-aware it is. It's probably not gonna be the case here. Ezzer fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Oct 31, 2012 17:32
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I'd definitely credit Tom with a lot better handle on his story's narrative propriety than to think he'd pull something like that. Plus he already kind of has an author-insert character in those little bookend pages.
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Okay I don't think jones could get any nakeder we have to be close to the end.
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Lord Lambeth posted:Okay I don't think jones could get any nakeder we have to be close to the end. She could still lose her skin 
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Bocom posted:She could still lose her skin Probably for the best, considering the last few pages of the thread.
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PleasingFungus posted:Probably for the best, considering the last few pages of the thread. "Oh come on, talk about situs inversus erasure.  "
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Oct 31, 2012 20:34
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I hope this chapter ends with Jones, standing around looking bored, watching the big bang.
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Lady Naga posted:Wow it's like I took a hard right turn into Tumblrville. "Implying white people are born of superior heritage is kinda problematic since it's a thing that's actually been said and believed whereas a trickster god existing in a work of fiction isn't racist." "WOW TUMBLRISMS MUCH?!?!" I agree with the thought that she looks the same as a narrative device. Plus as the chapter has been going on there's been less and less dialogue, so there's not really a place to drop in a "hey this person is Jones." Murderion posted:Listen: Hahaha 
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Heliotrope posted:"Implying white people are born of superior heritage I'd like to know when exactly did Tom Siddell do that.
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Cat Mattress posted:I'd like to know when exactly did Tom Siddell do that. I wasn't. If you actually checked the conversation Cabbit posted:Maybe being white isn't a mutation. Maybe Jones was the first white person, and all white people share her as a common ancestor. Urban Space Cowboy posted:I rather hope not, since suggesting all white people are descended from an immortal superhuman brings up its own unfortunate implications. Ursine Asylum posted:Are they more or less unfortunate than the implication that there's an insane coyote trickster god living in a forest somewhere that can eat that moon if he wanted to? Urban Space Cowboy posted:Yes, because white people exist in the real world while insane coyote trickster gods don't. Lady Naga apparently thinks this is "Tumblrville" which is what I was responding to. I mean, I literally posted that I agree with Jones looking the same throughout the ages as a way to make sure the reader wouldn't get confused by accident right after that. You probably could have at least looked at that if you didn't want to go back checking the full conversation.
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NorgLyle posted:It may be a low key criticism but it's, unfortunately, couched in the language and terminology of the habitually mockable Tumblr social justice crowd. Also nobody cared. Also also you never elaborated on what "unfortunate implications" are so I could only assume you were asking us to Czech our priviledge. Lady Naga fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 31, 2012 |
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Flavahbeast posted:Jones is the creation of an intergalactic bioweapon that crash landed on the planet thousands of years ago, she created human civilization in order to produce the biological and mechanical parts needed to repair her spaceshipdad
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Oct 31, 2012 21:49
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Somehow I don't think this is going to go towards Xenogears Court.
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Oct 31, 2012 22:16
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Somehow I don't think this is going to go towards Xenogears Court. Or CourtStuck.
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Freudian posted:Or CourtStuck. Alternatives: Jones takes a break from her origin story to regale us with tales of her days as a bootlegger in Prohibition times. She burns down a barn and doesn't even care. Coyote and Reynardine find themselves in a bloody, chronic struggle for control of a yellow Pac-Man wristwatch. Meanwhile, in the background, Boxbot reveals hitherto-unknown proclivities towards citrus. Parley accidentally teleports into hell and is unable to get back again. In the comic, we see all of her friends forgetting she ever existed. End of chapter!
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Oct 31, 2012 22:28
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More importantly, Kat's Halloween costume
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Freudian posted:Or CourtStuck. We've done this joke already and the Heir of Life is totally a Prospit dreamer ^ Also, that's awesome.
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Fecha posted:More importantly, Kat's Halloween costume Achewood Court will always be the best webcomic crossover ever.
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Freudian posted:Or CourtStuck. Jones is a First Guardian! 
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