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Just in case you thought that Penn was the only person in Penn & Teller with idiotic political beliefs, Teller tweeted this: @MrTeller: @BelchSpeak @benmilligan @pennjillette - I don't approve of using your vote to get for yourself money that other people have earned. (Sorry for the lack of screen captures, I'm on my phone) I've sat here for 5 minutes trying to think of a response but all that comes out is angry frothing.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Engineer spotted gently caress You  Zwabu posted:I'm pretty sure the 47 percent number is people who don't pay federal income tax. It get's confusing, cause that number changes each year. But around 47% pay no Federal Income Tax, and around 49% of all Americans live in a household where at least one person receives some kind of government assistance. If you Venn-Diagramed it, there's probably a big crossover of the two groups (at least there should be!) but they aren't entirely the same group. For example, there are millionaires in the "pay no taxes" group; and I know my wife's ex-husband had to collect unemployment for a few months at one point, but owed taxes for the year. Anyways, the point is you can refer to both groups by saying about half the country, both numbers fluctuate too much year to year to be specific. But you're right, "47%" is currently the tax number, "49%" is currently the assistance number. Absurd Alhazred posted:
This is obviously a person who only sees "government assistance" through the lens of welfare queens. He claims to be ok with forced sterilizations for people on assistance, regardless of the reason they need it. So basically, he'd be ok with forced sterilizations of all the Enron employees who went on UI because the people at the top of their company ruined everything. How about veterans who lose limbs protecting ARE FREEDOMS? He completely misses the fact that most people who need assistance, only receive it on a temporary basis. But that's not too surprising since his plan is to just fix the problem, while also not caring about the causes. "I'm not interested in the causes" - That's how all analytical problem solving starts!
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Nov 13, 2012 23:27
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It pisses me off so much that many on the right assume that anybody that votes democratic is a mooch. I work about 60 hours a week at two different jobs and pay all sorts of taxes. I don't vote democratic because I want more free stuff.
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Nov 13, 2012 23:28
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Leon Einstein posted:It pisses me off so much that many on the right assume that anybody that votes democratic is a mooch. I work about 60 hours a week at two different jobs and pay all sorts of taxes. I don't vote democratic because I want more free stuff. It's fine, the more they keep calling people mooches, the more they fail to understand why they lost, and the more they will keep losing.
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Nov 13, 2012 23:32
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Sarion posted:This is obviously a person who only sees "government assistance" through the lens of welfare queens. He claims to be ok with forced sterilizations for people on assistance, regardless of the reason they need it. So basically, he'd be ok with forced sterilizations of all the Enron employees who went on UI because the people at the top of their company ruined everything. How about veterans who lose limbs protecting ARE FREEDOMS? He completely misses the fact that most people who need assistance, only receive it on a temporary basis. But that's not too surprising since his plan is to just fix the problem, while also not caring about the causes.
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Nov 14, 2012 00:17
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He since backed down from "sterilization" to say that he means temporarily preventing them from breeding (through such "temporary" measures as vasectomies and tube-tying, as if that's any better), and that generally he feels that that's his solution for having less children be born into poverty. I lost interest in that conversation. The way to get children out of poverty is to prevent them from being born, not to lift their parents out of poverty.  Why don't we just implement forced abortions on the poor? And give out free birth control with all social assistance? That would probably be cheaper than forcibly sterilizing 49% of America just in case they get pregnant.
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Nov 14, 2012 00:23
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Leon Einstein posted:It pisses me off so much that many on the right assume that anybody that votes democratic is a mooch. I work about 60 hours a week at two different jobs and pay all sorts of taxes. I don't vote democratic because I want more free stuff. Yeah my guardians called me lazy for not being able to afford health insurance and just wanting to steal from the poor for voting for Obama. I work 3 jobs and I'm doing 15 credits at a University. It's the most infuriating thing to hear that I'm apparently just not working hard enough.
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Nov 14, 2012 00:25
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He since backed down from "sterilization" to say that he means temporarily preventing them from breeding (through such "temporary" measures as vasectomies and tube-tying, as if that's any better), and that generally he feels that that's his solution for having less children be born into poverty. I lost interest in that conversation. Because mandatory surgery that can only be reversed 80% of the time is so much better? Granted, better access to birth control certainly has benefits for people living in poverty, but it's not the end solution. In part because it still ignores the fact that perfectly middle-class people are one pink slip away from joining the ranks of the poor. Ramadu posted:Yeah my guardians called me lazy for not being able to afford health insurance and just wanting to steal from the poor for voting for Obama. I work 3 jobs and I'm doing 15 credits at a University. It's the most infuriating thing to hear that I'm apparently just not working hard enough. Did you mean steal from the rich, or do they actually think you want to steal from the poor? If so, how exactly do they get that idea?
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Nov 14, 2012 00:51
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Got this one from a distant relative (I dont even know how they know me, they just found me on facebook through closer relatives) and for some reason sent to my email.quote:Subject: Fw: Remarks on CBS on Sunday morning !!! Not much to say. It's pretty generic forward fluff piece attributed to a celebrity where it "sounds like" something they'd say but didn't actually write it.
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Nov 14, 2012 02:26
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Sarion posted:Because mandatory surgery that can only be reversed 80% of the time is so much better? Yeah I meant the rich. Was on my phone. They watch a lot of fox news are rich as heck and very religious. They hate the social programs because it forces you to give to it Nd would prefer you donated to private charities to pick up the slack.
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Nov 14, 2012 02:32
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Sarion posted:Because mandatory surgery that can only be reversed 80% of the time is so much better? My experience with this argument is that the people making it don't understand biology. One guy I had this conversation with on Fark thought his daughter had been 'sterilized' when she got an IUD. I had to explain that nope, that's not how it works. A IUD is birth control, not sterilization.
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Nov 14, 2012 02:53
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Ramadu posted:They watch a lot of fox news are rich as heck and very religious. They hate the social programs because it forces you to give to it Nd would prefer you donated to private charities to pick up the slack. Man that's rough. They're rich as heck and you're working three jobs to get through university? Real charitable of them. Also I really hope that "taxes are immoral" meme doesn't become more widespread. Or does. Just keep going further to the right Republicans! See you in ten years! 
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Nov 14, 2012 03:06
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RagnarokAngel posted:Not much to say. It's pretty generic forward fluff piece attributed to a celebrity where it "sounds like" something they'd say but didn't actually write it.
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Nov 14, 2012 03:08
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I have no idea if Ben Stein wrote / said it, but if he did it wouldn't be the craziest thing he's put his name to. I was going to say this Ben stein has some pretty staunch beliefs. Like the fact that stimulus spending 'doesn't work' because it doesn't fit his world view. Also if you believe in evolution you support Hitler.
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Nov 14, 2012 03:12
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Ben Stein is all sorts of crazy but he made his name as a speech writer. Unless he has some late stage dementia/Alzheimer's disease that he has kept quiet I'm pretty sure he'd never produce something so lovely.
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Nov 14, 2012 03:25
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Arglebargle III posted:Man that's rough. They're rich as heck and you're working three jobs to get through university? Real charitable of them. Also I really hope that "taxes are immoral" meme doesn't become more widespread. Or does. Just keep going further to the right Republicans! See you in ten years! Well they bought their kids houses and paid for their colleges and a vet school tuition. But I'm just not working hard enough. It took a few days for them to get on the Santa Claus bandwagon though. Its really gotten worse over the years and I really don't see them not continuing rightward.
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Nov 14, 2012 03:26
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I stopped reading after the first paragraph that is  Christians and Jews are so persecuted in America Because gently caress you, whoever wrote that.
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Nov 14, 2012 03:40
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Ramadu posted:Well they bought their kids houses and paid for their colleges and a vet school tuition. But I'm just not working hard enough. It took a few days for them to get on the Santa Claus bandwagon though. Its really gotten worse over the years and I really don't see them not continuing rightward. I doubt it will change their minds, but there's always these charts that concisely sum up everything thats wrong with this country:   from http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/blog-post-health-and-education-on-the-minimum-wage Edit: Need two more about prisons and military spending, actually, to really sum up everything...
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Nov 14, 2012 04:04
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Farrok posted:I doubt it will change their minds, but there's always these charts that concisely sum up everything thats wrong with this country: Don't forget a third one to cover housing costs too while you are at it.
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Nov 14, 2012 04:21
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Boxman posted:@MrTeller: @BelchSpeak @benmilligan @pennjillette - I don't approve of using your vote to get for yourself money that other people have earned. @MrTeller - I agree, I don't approve of the Koch Brothers/oil industry/defense contractors/private prison industry/wall street/capitalism either! And yes, Teller has been just as big a libertarian poo poo as Penn since forever. He's a fellow at the Cato Institute.
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Nov 14, 2012 04:42
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RagnarokAngel posted:Got this one from a distant relative (I dont even know how they know me, they just found me on facebook through closer relatives) and for some reason sent to my email. One of the many dumb things that Mike Huckabee said on the Daily Show last night was when he whined that talk show hosts were allowed to say mean things about Christians! Boxman posted:Just in case you thought that Penn was the only person in Penn & Teller with idiotic political beliefs, Teller tweeted this: The actual talking point about Obama's supporters being "takers" is just so fictional, a flailing attempt to rationalize away the laundry list of reasons why Romney lost.
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Nov 14, 2012 04:47
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Saw something about the Papa John's thing on The Daily Show. They pointed out that that the JOB CREATORS might have valid beef with Obama, but in the fact that he didn't push harder for single payer option. Then they wouldn't have to pay for their employees insurance at all. Also that blaming Obamacare was just and excuse to wiggle out of the social contract, just like what we've seen with paid lunches and vacations, etc... edit: and he gives away a load of pizzas every year. Aeka 2.0 fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Nov 14, 2012 |
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Nov 14, 2012 07:12
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Saw something about the Papa John's thing on The Daily Show. I hope he raises his prices to get some better ingredients. Around here at least I get two Dominos pizzas for the price of a single Papa John's large and they're usually delivered faster, taste better, and I can keep them fresh longer.
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Nov 14, 2012 07:26
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sicarius posted:I hope he raises his prices to get some better ingredients. Around here at least I get two Dominos pizzas for the price of a single Papa John's large and they're usually delivered faster, taste better, and I can keep them fresh longer. Given that I'd rather eat the cardboard box his so-called "pizzas" come in, this will be a surprisingly easy boycott for me to maintain.  Part of me thinks he'll come around like the Chik-Fil-A people when he starts to lose business over this, but the other part would like to see him go out of business in the ultimate display of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face (though I'd hate to see anyone lose their jobs, he's already actively loving over his employees as it is).
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Nov 14, 2012 07:51
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Does this belong here? Because I...well, I just..I  http://www.npr.org/2012/11/13/164957657/at-lifes-end-a-final-home-on-the-shooting-range E: quote:For Priscilla Isler, firing bullets with her husband's ashes tucked inside is not about mourning but celebration. She even used a few round rounds to kill a wild pig that her family ate for their Fourth of July cookout. Someone please convince me that this isn't some bizarre poo poo. Please. big boi fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Nov 14, 2012 |
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Nov 14, 2012 07:59
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Given that I'd rather eat the cardboard box his so-called "pizzas" come in, this will be a surprisingly easy boycott for me to maintain. I doubt it will hurt his business much. Unlike the Chik-fil-A thing he's not targeting a minority or being a bigoted rear end. He's just being a money-grabbing corporatist rear end in a top hat. Our nation is far more tolerant of the latter party. It's also getting almost no viral traction or information outside of the political junkies. I doubt more than a small handful of my friends have heard about this.
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Nov 14, 2012 08:10
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My reply got... a little long, even with the edits.my stupid emails posted:1. "Imagine two restaurants side by side..." such a mishmash of fallacies. How does this equate to welfare, be it cash assistance, like TANF, or food stamps? They're (the benefits) set aside in finite quantities for a specific reason: to help people not suffer terribly from every setback. It varies from state to state, but a single person receiving TANF in Texas (cash welfare, the one to demonize) gets a whopping $113/month, and there's a lifetime maximum of 5 years for adults. You also have "honor child support requirements", pledge not to voluntarily quit any job, and "train for a job or actively look, if capable" as well as not using drugs and ensuring your kids attend school. An adult who doesn't qualify for themselves, but who supports a kid, gets $93/month. That same adult with 8 kids gets $423. I had a couple of typos/misspellings, some invective I don't want to share, and a lot of vague, opinionated crap. Any suggestions are appreciated, I've got a huge schism to overcome with my dad, and I strive in these messages to be reasonable, though I don't mind a little mocking tone.
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Nov 14, 2012 08:31
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Part of me thinks he'll come around like the Chik-Fil-A people And from this Snopes article, they claim that they never promised not to donate to anti-gay groups: quote:A part of our corporate commitment is to be responsible stewards of all that God has entrusted to us. Because of this commitment, Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities. We will continue to focus our giving in those areas. Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.
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Nov 14, 2012 08:45
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:They didn't, which is no surprise, since one of the anti-gay groups they were donating to was founded in part by one of the Cathy family members. Ah, my mistake. I was under the impression they had backed down or otherwise reformed their stance. Oh well, gently caress them too.
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Nov 14, 2012 09:25
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Ah, my mistake. I was under the impression they had backed down or otherwise reformed their stance. Oh well, gently caress them too.
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Nov 14, 2012 09:33
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My wife and I haven't talked to her dad in a few years because he and his family are a bunch of racist assholes. Yesterday he calls me out of the blue and tells me I need to stock up on canned goods because it's gonna be a bad 4 years casually namedropping Limbaugh and O'Reilly as his source. When asked if we were coming to thanksgiving I told him I had to travel to Maryland for work (which is true) and he said to watch out because there were already race riots up there  He also bitched about Obama taking away his Tricare Prime (he's retired Navy), which only means he has Tricare Standard and has to go to regular doctor instead of the VA. Instead of arguing I just went along with a lot of 'uh huh' and 'holy crap that's crazy!' comments.
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Nov 14, 2012 15:20
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xwonderboyx posted:My wife and I haven't talked to her dad in a few years because he and his family are a bunch of racist assholes. Yesterday he calls me out of the blue and tells me I need to stock up on canned goods because it's gonna be a bad 4 years casually namedropping Limbaugh and O'Reilly as his source. When asked if we were coming to thanksgiving I told him I had to travel to Maryland for work (which is true) and he said to watch out because there were already race riots up there That's all I know 
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Nov 14, 2012 15:29
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big boi posted:Does this belong here? Because I...well, I just..I I know that it's a pastime to make fun of gun nuts but killing your dinner with bullets loaded with the ashes of your dead loved ones is the  est thing ever and I sorta love it. Its on the same level of pure AMERICA as that guy who was jet skiing in New York Harbor just about when Sandy was starting to hit full on.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:37
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Zwabu posted:Is there any place I can get a hold of "Dreams from My REAL Father" and "2016" DVDs without paying for them? It would make awesome coasters. I got a free copy in the mail, booya. Still haven't watched it. "A story of reds and deception."
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Nov 14, 2012 16:41
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big boi posted:Does this belong here? Because I...well, I just..I quote:For Priscilla Isler, it was perfect. Her husband, Glenn, was a hunter at heart and he started young. His dad died when he was 10, leaving him and his mom, and nine brothers and sisters. Glenn took to the fields and forests to hunt for food. How on earth can you read that and get upset? It's super sweet and a good idea. The story even includes a super poor family who actually relied on hunting for food and how important it was to their livelihood. People almost always spread ashes over things involving what they loved to do in life. I'm kind of upset that you're being so judgmental of people for enjoying life and mourning differently than you.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:50
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Dreams of my Real Father is such straight up racism it's really a bit shocking. Like, it's just straight up 'THE FUCKIN BLACKS WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA AND MAKE US INTO AFRICA GUYS'. If he had done a video of equal length just showing pictures of famous black people and angrily mumbling 'niggers' at them it would have been easier for everyone.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:51
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Excellent, Very Short Story! Be sure to see the picture at the bottom! The COW AND THE ICE CREAM ONE OF THE BEST THEORIES OF WHY OBAMA WON THE ELECTION -->From a teacher in the Nashville area - - "We are worried about 'the cow' when it is all about the 'Ice Cream. 'The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching 3rd grade. The last Presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote. To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot. The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches. Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better place. He ended by promising to do his very best. Everyone applauded and he sat down. Now is was Olivia's turn to speak. Her speech was concise. She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream." She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream." She surely would say more. She did not have to. A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream? She wasn't sure. But no one pursued that question. They took her at her word. Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it...She didn't know. The class really didn't care. All they were thinking about was ice cream... Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide. Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and 51.4 % of the people reacted like nine year old's. They want ice cream. The other 48.6% percent know they're going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess." This is the ice cream Obama promised us! Remember, the government cannot give anything to anyone that they have not first taken away from someone else. Did you vote for the ice cream? THAT MY FRIEND, IS HOW OBAMA GOT ELECTED... BY THOSE WHO WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREE! ____ Not going to bother reproducing the images in this email, but it was 3 animated laughing smiley .gifs at the top and a picture of a farmer filling up an ice cream cone from a dairy cow's anus in the footer. Honestly, I really don't see how you can refute anything in this email and also I am 8.
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Taking care of a farm animal like a cow as a class provides an excellent chance for the children to learn many things about food production, and everyone can enjoy the fruits of their labor in tasty ice cream, yea it sounds like Olivia knew her poo poo!
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I knew it was going to be about Barry-O as soon as I read "I had never seen Olivia's mother."
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