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it really depends on how your company uses the database. if they do a simple, dirty persistance model then you dont actually ever write any sql or care about the database design. if its a big company you probably have dbas who will handle all the data design and sql for you (dbas should be comp sci people, not cjs). if its a smaller one where you're going to be sharing responsibility for data design, writing sql, and writing code, then they probably already have something established that you'll learn when you get in there. if you're starting from scratch then get ready to learn by trial and error!
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Jonny 290 posted:here have an unrelated one liner
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that was actually hosed up and an improper use of ?: here code:
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This old guy at work keeps telling me to learn perl. Jonny is that u c/d.
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perl is good and people telling you that perl "leads to unreadable spaghetti code" is a good way to tell who the bozos are
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perl's a good hammer if you need to drive nails its poo poo for gui or efficiency stuff but it is really does seem to be the best glue code language out there
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Shaggar posted:it really depends on how your company uses the database. if they do a simple, dirty persistance model then you dont actually ever write any sql or care about the database design. if its a big company you probably have dbas who will handle all the data design and sql for you (dbas should be comp sci people, not cjs). if its a smaller one where you're going to be sharing responsibility for data design, writing sql, and writing code, then they probably already have something established that you'll learn when you get in there. shaggar was right
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Jonny 290 posted:perl's a good hammer if you need to drive nails (not high-level audio/video editing obv)
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perlschool: what does that line noise do command line switches: -e says 'i want to type a program in', -n means 'read a filename from the command line and wrap the "-e program" in a foreach loop, iterating through that file' and -a means 'as you iterate through each line, split the line on spaces into an array named @F' the above code takes input from a giant file that is just a tee output from running show commands on a controller pre:APUS-0000-209 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 1.23.42.19 ^M APUS-0000-218 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 7 11.23.42.73 ^M APUS-0000-244 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 11.23.42.49 ^M APUS-0000-300 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 11.23.42.63 ^M APUS-0000-403 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 11.23.42.34 ^M APUS-0000-400 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 11.23.42.88 ^M APUS-0000-308 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 1 11.23.42.03 ^M APUS-0000-303 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 1.23.42.74 ^M APUS-0000-401 Cityname, VA 0000 B4-C7-99-00-11-22 2 W-W 0 11.23.42.39 ^M ... APUS-0000-305 s-TCM-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.22 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/7 full ^M APUS-0000-206 s-TCE-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.38 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet4/0/7 full ^M APUS-0000-008 s-TCK-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.26 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet1/0/24 full ^M APUS-0000-139 s-TCL-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.24 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet1/0/18 full ^M APUS-0000-209 s-TCO-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.18 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/4 full ^M APUS-0000-175 s-TCN-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.20 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/12 full ^M APUS-0000-401 s-TCP-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.16 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/23 full ^M APUS-0000-227 s-TC100-01.0000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.52 cisco WS-C3750X-48P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/43 full ^M APUS-0000-222 s-TC100-01.0000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.52 cisco WS-C3750X-48P ge1 GigabitEthernet2/0/41 full ^M APUS-0000-153 s-TCN-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.20 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet1/0/11 full ^M APUS-0000-231 s-TCP-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.16 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet1/0/17 full ^M APUS-0000-166 s-TCF-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com 12.34.5.36 cisco WS-C3750X-24P ge1 GigabitEthernet1/0/14 full ^M then map loops through it and builds our CSV: pre:APUS-0000-205,s-TCO-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet3/0/3,B4-C7-99-11-22-33 APUS-0000-206,s-TCE-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet4/0/7,B4-C7-99-11-22-33 APUS-0000-207,s-TCE-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet4/0/9,B4-C7-99-11-22-33 APUS-0000-208,s-TCE-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet2/0/1,B4-C7-99-11-22-33 APUS-0000-209,s-TCO-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet2/0/4,B4-C7-99-11-22-33 APUS-0000-210,s-TC100-01.s00000.savemoney.livebetter.com,GigabitEthernet1/0/45,B4-C7-11-22-33-44
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Jonny 290 posted:perl's a good hammer if you need to drive nails for a gui it depends on what you need. for a user facing app it's not great (i mean it has gtk bindings like everything else but mleh). for internal stuff that doesn't have to look pretty but you want a gui and you want it done quick and with minimum hassle, perl/Tk is actually pretty neat and convenient
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Otto Skorzeny posted:for a gui it depends on what you need. for a user facing app it's not great (i mean it has gtk bindings like everything else but mleh). for internal stuff that doesn't have to look pretty but you want a gui and you want it done quick and with minimum hassle, perl/Tk is actually pretty neat and convenient perl has adequate gtk bindings and tolerable win32 gui bindings and perl objC bridging for cocoa and perl java bridging for awt/swing perl is not particularly good for anything perl is not particularly bad for anything except SOAP gently caress perl SOAP::Lite forever ironic that the world's best glue language doesn't also make good soap
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:gently caress SOAP forever
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SOAP < XMLRPC CSV < TSV Sometimes simpler is just better.
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Meiwaku posted:CSV < TSV Unit separator you scrub lord
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Hard NOP Life posted:Unit separator you scrub lord preach it
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tef posted:operator precedence is for weenies
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soap owns and is the best
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Shaggar posted:soap owns and is the best unusual sentiment for a goon
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Sniep posted:unusual sentiment for a goon
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Gobol amirte
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Hard NOP Life posted:Unit separator you scrub lord Cocoa Crispies posted:preach it
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:perl has adequate gtk bindings i made a perl gtk app for work and it sucked a bit, so i made the next program in C# + gtk# and well, i dont think i will do that again
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writing 'clever' code is for ppl with small weiners
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Jonny 290 posted:perl's a good hammer if you need to drive nails i had to replace some perl glue code due to changed requirements, i did it with python and it was 4x as fast and way more readable hth basically taking some netflow data, doing some massaging and shoving it into a database, pretty straightforward stuff too. sqlalchemy was way quicker than raw sql in the perl code for some reason
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http://www.pltgames.com/competition/2012/12 heh
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my stepdads beer posted:i had to replace some perl glue code due to changed requirements, i did it with python and it was 4x as fast and way more readable hth yeah i guess i could see python filling that void somewhat. it still feels like babby's first code to me but it's not a bad language regardless i think that we all can agree that the answer to "what is perl 5's replacement?" will never be "perl 6"
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python is a terrible language that attempts to dumb down programming enough for random assholes to pick it up and in the process becomes a disaster
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Sniep posted:unusual sentience for a goon
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0xB16B00B5 posted:python is a terrible language that attempts to dumb down programming enough for random assholes to pick it up and in the process becomes a disaster
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how long would it take to train my dog to be turing complete
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my stepdads beer posted:i had to replace some perl glue code due to changed requirements, i did it with python and it was 4x as fast and way more readable hth let's not kid ourselves here, all the popular dynamic languages are so similar that going from writing your sql to using an orm (dbix::class, sqlalchemy etc) is a greater change than swapping languages, notwithstanding a dozen years of partisans on irc claiming otherwise
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Otto Skorzeny posted:let's not kid ourselves here, all the popular dynamic languages are so similar that going from writing your sql to using an orm (dbix::class, sqlalchemy etc) is a greater change than swapping languages, notwithstanding a dozen years of partisans on irc claiming otherwise yeah i started telling people this, "if you like python you will like ruby, it's basically the same language"
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liar liar
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Cocoa Crispies posted:yeah i started telling people this, "if you like python you will like ruby, it's basically the same language" python and ruby are actually rather different, hth
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no they're both p languages.
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python and ruby serve the same general purpose but ruby is sorta weird and isnt as widely adopted0xB16B00B5 posted:python is a terrible language that attempts to dumb down programming enough for random assholes to pick it up and in the process becomes a disaster wrong, python owns for what it is, which is basically to be an intelligent version of php
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