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Sydney Bottocks posted:and neither is Olbermann anymore (I'm not sure what he's on these days). Current TV Edit: At least, I know he went to Current after MSNBC. I don't know where he is now. VirtualStranger fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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VirtualStranger posted:Current TV Apparently he got fired from there, too.
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Dr Christmas posted:Sme of the sites I visit have been discussing Fox and MSNBC in the wake of the elections, and one thing I've never noticed them mention, even if they defend MSNBC against Fox, is that Fox doesn't just go after Democratic politicians and left-leaning figures, but the segments of the population that vote blue as well. Especially since the election when we hear about entitled poor people, minorities who want free stuff, Muslims who don't speak out enough against terrorism, and slutty single women. Do Olbermann or Ed Schultz on their worst days have segment devoted to trashing "racist rednecks" or "stupid fundies?" Bill Maher does, but he isn't on MSNBC, is he? Conservatives just flat out call someone a fuckwit, liberals dance around it and snark about and then when called on it pull the "oh no I didn't wink wink hehe". Both are obnoxious, but at least the former has the guts to just flat out do and not dance around the bush. I can respect that even if I don't agree with it. The latter is just pathetic, it's no different than Lee Atwater claiming things are kosher because he didn't specifically drop an n-bomb, and just as worthy of contempt. Olberman and Schultz have come out and straight up said poo poo like that before, which lends credit for actually having the brass do it rather than the snarksters. But of course their more public slams of people and groups have landed them in hot water. Though I'd say they have their dignity intact.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Apparently he got fired from there, too. He started a tumblr after he got fired, but gave up on that too. He just posts sunset photos to Twitter these days.
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Walter posted:Tonight is band practice. That means a late-night drive home, during which time my local NPR station will be playing classical music. Not that I'm not a fan, but I usually switch to the local right wing station. At that hour, Mark Levin is on. I listen to Levin on my drive home for the same reasons. It's a good hour of comedy. Unless someone is a tea party member or Reaganite they are freedom hating idiots, but only old Mark will speak the truth about how our liberty is threatened! The ten minute shouting rant about Boehner today after he talked with one of the congressmen who lost their committee seats was glorious to behold.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Apparently he got fired from there, too. It seems like that inflammatory-style is not as welcome among the left as it is in the right.
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Mitchicon posted:It seems like that inflammatory-style is not as welcome among the left as it is in the right.
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Joementum posted:He started a tumblr after he got fired, but gave up on that too. He just posts sunset photos to Twitter these days. Whatever happened to his lawsuit against Current?
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Joementum posted:He started a tumblr after he got fired, but gave up on that too. He just posts sunset photos to Twitter these days. Wow, put like that, he sounds like he would be/is really depressed. 
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Dec 5, 2012 05:29
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Chris Matthews gets worked up every time there's a new poll with things like "25% of Republicans want their state to secede" or "43% of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim". He doesn't really go after the poll respondents or "normal folks" but he gets very pissed off about the wingnut media that encourages those attitudes. It's really fun if he gets a Tea Partier on the show the same day one of those polls comes out.
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Dec 5, 2012 05:37
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Keith Olbermann is a weird dude. Weird in both good and bad ways. Good guy overall though.
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Joementum posted:He started a tumblr after he got fired, but gave up on that too. He just posts sunset photos to Twitter these days. and blogs about baseball
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Dec 5, 2012 05:58
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SilentD posted:Conservatives just flat out call someone a fuckwit, liberals dance around it and snark about and then when called on it pull the "oh no I didn't wink wink hehe".
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TheQat posted:Yeah, one thing that's particularly disturbing about having in-laws immersed in right-wing media is that they will openly call liberals "stupid" or "insane" in front of my wife and I (we are both quite left-leaning). I know for a fact they get all their talking points verbatim from Fox News and Beck's radio show. In a way it's the ultimate iteration of conservatives projecting their flaws onto liberals If they're big Beck listeners, just ask them to tell you about Agenda 21 sometime. It's at least an hours worth of entertainment to listen to shitheads talk about how a non-binding UN resolution from the early 1990's is actually a blueprint for the NWO.
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Dec 5, 2012 06:53
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Urban Space Cowboy posted:You'll have to justify that assertion, pal. How is snarking about Republican politicians no different from (not "different than", "different from") using coded epithets about minority groups to frame debates about the treatment of those minority groups? In light of SilentD's charming posts about liberal women, I'm pretty sure the only thing that should be posted in response to him opining on things that are "worthy of contempt" is the world's biggest ironicat.
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pangstrom posted:It's not his "style", it's that the guy is impossible to employ and unbearable to work with or for. You can say the same about any talented person who flames out of multiple jobs and can't get anyone who has shared a working environment with him to pipe up for him. Yeah, the way he set up his MSNBC show with special comments and Friday night literature made it seem like he would have been a big ol' Objectivist (as in it screamed "I'm ALWAYS loving RIGHT, and this spotlight is ALL MINE gently caress YOU") were he not seemingly interested in the well-being of other human beings. His heart and a good part of his mind may have been in the right place when it came to considering others as at least human beings, but his show really came off as a bit egotistical, as though he saw himself as the next Ed Murrow.
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Dec 5, 2012 08:00
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SilentD posted:The latter is just pathetic, it's no different than Lee Atwater claiming things are kosher because he didn't specifically drop an n-bomb, and just as worthy of contempt. Actually I think that calling someone dumb without actually saying those words and someone actively and maliciously cloaking hate speech in media-acceptable codewords are actually really different if you think about it for even one single second~! You are trying to equate being annoyingly "snarky" with finding new ways to call black people niggers. BUT ITS BETTER TO HAVE THE BRASS 'N' BALLS TO DO IT STRAIGHT UP STRAIGHT TO THEIR FACES RIGHT BRO??
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Slow Graffiti posted:Is the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation a right wing foundation? I always thought of it as fairly unbiased, though my exposure is mostly through seeing them mentioned at the beginning of NOVA episodes. One of the Koch brothers sometimes sponsors Nova.
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Dec 5, 2012 10:06
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pangstrom posted:It's not his "style", it's that the guy is impossible to employ and unbearable to work with or for. You can say the same about any talented person who flames out of multiple jobs and can't get anyone who has shared a working environment with him to pipe up for him. It's a shame, because when he's good, he's really good. I remember an episode of Sportscenter where due to some scheduling weirdness, the two hosts were Olbermann and Chris Berman. It was hilarious, and they spent the whole show making each other laugh. 
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VideoTapir posted:One of the Koch brothers sometimes sponsors Nova. They also donate generously to cancer research. If they ever decided to turn their attention to disease and poverty instead of playing politics, they could have a stunningly positive effect on the world. And while I'm wishing for things I'd like breakfast in bed and the day off.
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The Entire Universe posted:Yeah, the way he set up his MSNBC show with special comments and Friday night literature made it seem like he would have been a big ol' Objectivist (as in it screamed "I'm ALWAYS loving RIGHT, and this spotlight is ALL MINE gently caress YOU") were he not seemingly interested in the well-being of other human beings. His heart and a good part of his mind may have been in the right place when it came to considering others as at least human beings, but his show really came off as a bit egotistical, as though he saw himself as the next Ed Murrow. pangstrom fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Dec 5, 2012 13:51
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Joementum posted:He started a tumblr after he got fired, but gave up on that too. He just posts sunset photos to Twitter these days. That's the saddest poo poo I've seen in awhile, and I saw a retard promising an egg it would be a chicken and they would play in a field together the other day
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Tricerapowerbottom posted:That's the saddest poo poo I've seen in awhile, and I saw a retard promising an egg it would be a chicken and they would play in a field together the other day You rear end in a top hat. For the first time in my years of reading this forum, you made me spill my drink laughing. At any rate, it's been really fun watching Boehner get pummeled by the Right for dropping so many Teabaggers from Committee positions. It's like he's realized, far too late of course, that the country actually doesn't like his Party that much. I know it's overly optimistic but I can't help but wonder how badly the Right might look if the economy recovers in the next few years and the GOP is still engaged in a circular firing squad over losing to bHo. The Democratic bench is really deep for 2016 whereas Rubio and Christie are the only two real players on the national scene as of now.
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Tricerapowerbottom posted:That's the saddest poo poo I've seen in awhile, and I saw a retard promising an egg it would be a chicken and they would play in a field together the other day Chris Onstad called, he asked...well I think you know what he asked  There is nothing good about Keith Olbermann. I need to track down an article that was written during his heyday that made it really clear that he saw himself as the second coming of Murrow. And it's like, really? You really think that what you're doing, saying "SHAME ON YOU, SIR" to Bush after a segment on Lindsay Lohan has any relation to riding in a bomber with a notepad as 88mm shells explode around you? The man has no sense of perspective and is utterly, utterly self-absorbed. The service he performed for us all was to prove that lefties really don't want pandering invective and would prefer a little more substance. For the record, this is the last "broadcast" Olbermannn has done, an iPhone video from inside his Will McAvoy penthouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVyXbTn-YIo
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As has been stated before, all of Olbermann's shortcomings don't undo the fact that he alone in the media stood up against the excesses of the War on Terror and was the first mainstream pundit to challenge the lockstep worship of the administration beginning in 2003. He's a dickbarn to be sure, but he was right when it counted.
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So from what little I've heard from Rush the last few days, apparently Obama's master plan now is to intentionally push the U.S. over the so called "fiscal cliff" so that he can blame it on Republicans and when we go into a recession again he can then...um...do some socialist stuff and be King of America for life and...things, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, Rush. Pretty sure Obama wants nothing more than to crash the entire economy again. He'd have so much to gain from that. Have I posted that I don't like Rush Limbaugh in this thread yet? Mitchicon posted:I can't imagine what would have happened had Petraeus run and then the scandal broke. FOX would have blamed Obama somehow. "Liberal Media hit piece". "What about Bill Clinton, Elliot Spitzer and Mike Weiner (double standard)"? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Unzip and Attack posted:As has been stated before, all of Olbermann's shortcomings don't undo the fact that he alone in the media stood up against the excesses of the War on Terror and was the first mainstream pundit to challenge the lockstep worship of the administration beginning in 2003. He's a dickbarn to be sure, but he was right when it counted. For all the bullshit of the last four years, its hard to remember how loving insane the Bush era was in general. I mean, I lived through it and still can barely believe there was a time when Olbermann was the voice of reason in a world gone mad.
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Unzip and Attack posted:As has been stated before, all of Olbermann's shortcomings don't undo the fact that he alone in the media stood up against the excesses of the War on Terror and was the first mainstream pundit to challenge the lockstep worship of the administration beginning in 2003. He's a dickbarn to be sure, but he was right when it counted. And at the same time the fact that his abrasive, self-absorbed, personality worked out on the right side of things one time doesn't mean he's not a pretty embarrassing figure for his causes as a whole.
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Olbermann didn't pioneer poo poo, nor was he courageous. The fact that he could get on TV and bloviate pointlessly, with as little rigor as Michael Savage, was a sign that people were utterly sick of Bush and his wars. He was catering to a new market, purely as entertainment. Not a single person was enlightened by him.
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It took AL GORE saying publicly "this guy is crazy and unreasonable, we can't work with him" for some people to wake up on that one. Myself included probably, though I only ever was a casual fan who didn't think much about it.
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He got Maddow hired on MSNBC, so he can't be all bad.
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Sinestro posted:He got Maddow hired on MSNBC, so he can't be all bad. I feel like this Olbermann thing is a clone copy of an argument from like 10 pages ago. Personally I liked him. I was angry during the Bush years, and since the Dem leadership didn't seem to have a clue it was cathartic to have SOME kind of release. "Rigor" be damned, somebody needed to talk poo poo about Bush' faults, even if it be bloviating or nausea-inducingly narcissistic or whatever. BUSH BAD MAN. NOT LIKE BAD BUSH MAN. RARRR. Felt good. Pander fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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SedanChair posted:Olbermann didn't pioneer poo poo, nor was he courageous. The fact that he could get on TV and bloviate pointlessly, with as little rigor as Michael Savage, was a sign that people were utterly sick of Bush and his wars. He was catering to a new market, purely as entertainment. Not a single person was enlightened by him. I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't know how much news you watched when Olbermann started with his anti-Bush coments on-air, but Bush had the entirety of American media cowed. No one dared say poo poo. Even people who would make a negative comment in a nonsustained way, like the Dixie Chicks, had their careers ruined. Savage and company don't count because they were on Bush's team. Olbermann risked his broadcasting career to speak out. Being the first was hugely important in that environment. And on a major channel. There were no Maddows or Ed Schultz's or anyone else doing that on TV. Maybe someone eventually would have, but it might have been another year or more. Most people landing a gig on a major cable channel wouldn't dare risk their paycheck and career advancement. I love Maddow but what she's doing is infinitely easier than Keith speaking out first against an administration that had made it clear they were keeping their eye on everyone and had it out for any media critics.
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As much as an egotistical rear end as Olbermann is, it worked because that's exactly what we needed. The Worst Person In The World segment was some Fox News level poo poo, but literally nobody else was calling them out on their bullshit and showing the anger we were feeling. This was a time when nobody was fighting back. The Democratic party was doing this whole "We're gonna support this president 'cuz it's wartime and we're pushovers and if he's what the american people want, then that's what they want, and if he's wrong they'll just see that and vote for us next time" thing that lead to poo poo like Swiftboat. A personality like Olbermann's isn't going to hang around for too long, but he lead the charge to calling bullshit, on, well, total bullshit. Any one of a number of people could have done it, but he happened to be the one. It doesn't make him likeable right now, but I think there's a little respect you have to give him. Being reasonable wasn't working. Being insane and yelling louder than the other guy was the method of the day, and he fought fire with fire. And then burned out.
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Zwabu posted:I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't know how much news you watched when Olbermann started with his anti-Bush coments on-air, but Bush had the entirety of American media cowed. No one dared say poo poo. Even people who would make a negative comment in a nonsustained way, like the Dixie Chicks, had their careers ruined. I was definitely watching news to the point of scandal fatigue back then, and as far as I can recall this was the breakout moment: Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign So that was 2007, when the civil war in Iraq was at its most genocidal and everyone knew the administration no longer had any credibility. The Scooter Libby pardon was the most nakedly hypocritical action Bush had done yet, and it was pretty common knowledge that Cheney had ordered the burning of Valerie Plame. (Jon Stewart, incidentally, had covered this years earlier, concentrating on Bob Novak.) If there is an earlier instance of Olbermann stepping out like this I don't recall it. It's interesting that you mention the Dixie Chicks because their controversial statement was before the War in Iraq and they were universally condemned and became a synonym for "traitor." Olbermann never caught that kind of flak because by the time he was doing it, Bush-bashing was a popular sport. Also, I'm almost inclined to think that Olbermann's entire realignment against Bush grew more from his earlier feud with Bill O'Reilly than from any pang of conscience.
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SedanChair posted:I was definitely watching news to the point of scandal fatigue back then, and as far as I can recall this was the breakout moment: Here's a longer list, with dates and links to MSNBC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Keith_Olbermann%27s_special_comments
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BiggerBoat posted:So from what little I've heard from Rush the last few days, apparently Obama's master plan now is to intentionally push the U.S. over the so called "fiscal cliff" so that he can blame it on Republicans and when we go into a recession again he can then...um...do some socialist stuff and be King of America for life and...things, I guess. The first part isn't all that far-fetched -- many have suggested to just let the tax cuts expire, because aside from the payroll tax (which I don't believe anyone planned on extending anyways), Americans wouldn't feel the effects right away. When a new Congress convenes in January, they can then go and add new tax breaks to those making under $250K and have it apply retro-actively to the first of the year. Obviously doing that wouldn't send the country spiraling into a recession, but it does show the Democrats really do hold all the cards, as the Republicans will lose out no matter what the result is.
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You have to love it when Levin rants about Boehner at night, and then you get on in the afternoon and Limbaugh is ranting about Rubio and Ryan, who apparently aren't quite as willing as Rush thinks they should be to throw people in the street. Yes, Rush, we should cap unemployment at 13 weeks and food stamps at 2 months and then cut people off. During a recession. I suppose there's a certain Malthusian logic there. If our unemployed are dead, they're not really unemployed, right? Our unemployment figures will drop, and we'll be magically out of a recession. Right?
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Zwabu posted:Here's a longer list, with dates and links to MSNBC: The fact that a list of Olbermann "special comments" runs 70 entries long over a span of five years tells you everything you need to know about how egotistical the man is.
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SedanChair posted:It's interesting that you mention the Dixie Chicks because their controversial statement was before the War in Iraq and they were universally condemned and became a synonym for "traitor." Olbermann never caught that kind of flak because by the time he was doing it, Bush-bashing was a popular sport. I'm curious what other TV hosts were "Bush-bashing" (being critical of Bush) at that time. I don't recall a single one, maybe you can refresh my memory?
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