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Shaggar posted:well what problem are you solving? if you're fixing a bug in python or a python lib/framework for then fine ok use python. the use of the term 'real world' is super loving loaded. all problems are real world problems because they exist in a tangible universe like i said before, python does millions of things just fine and most people who use it use it within that locus; if an engineer uses a tool that does not do what they need it to do you blame the engineer for not understanding their requirements, not the tool for not being able to magically divine intent in addition you are prescribing a quality to engineers that they do not have. namely, foresight
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right. my point is anyone who picks python over java or c# is wrong (unless they're an actual hobbyist)
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okay great good point
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tef posted:they fixed this in python 3 by making the bytestring handling terrible. I'm going to have to go ahead and take issue with your use of the word "fixed" here.
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FamDav posted:Who would win in a fight: Guido or Matz? *Larry looks up for a second, distractedly, before returning to hot-gluing the entire contents of the walmart tools aisle together in a roughly butterfly-shaped sculpture*
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man i really like c# but i wish the tools were better. visual studio is so goddamn dumb at times.
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The answer is Emacs.
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and the question is "What is the worst thing?"
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Shaggar posted:right. my point is anyone who picks python over java or c# is wrong (unless they're an actual hobbyist) true bitch true true (use ruby)
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WHOIS John Galt posted:the use of the term 'real world' is super loving loaded. all problems are real world problems because they exist in a tangible universe 
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Shaggar posted:and the question is "What is the worst thing?" but the answer to that is "zombiewuf"
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phew, thought you were going to say my name there.
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I fiddled around with Reactive Extensions for C# and it's pretty neato. It changes event subscriptions into variables that sort of represent a garden hose that sprays events. You screw different nozzles onto the garden hose. E: imagine four eventargs on the edge of a cliff.
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Zombywuf posted:phew, thought you were going to say my name there. even the worst at spelling
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tef posted:
threading isn't just broken, it's so broken than Google, Inc. couldn't fix it with practically infinite budget: unladen swallow first abandoned plans to extract the GIL, and then scaled back plans for JIT or GC fixes, then just gave up entirely on all their project goals the alternative plan was "Go." Google found it easier to develop a brand new compiled language in-house than to fix the most obvious bugs in python also: garbage collection. every python program leaks memory because python uses refcounting. python uses refcounting because guido didn't want to break c module compatibility in like 1996.
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yplpos
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also while all these python technological problems are technically CPython, implementation-specific problems, no one has ever managed to make a decent python other than cpython jython exists, but (unlike jruby) is even slower than cpython pypi exists but in order to support python libraries it is seeking compatibility with the refcounting c module api ironpython existed; what happened to that?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:threading isn't just broken, it's so broken than Google, Inc. couldn't fix it with practically infinite budget: unladen swallow first abandoned plans to extract the GIL, and then scaled back plans for JIT or GC fixes, then just gave up entirely on all their project goals yeah it turns out even "fixing" threading just means that there's going to be more people using it and loving it up, because threading is too complicated for most programmers because it's terribly unintuitive
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
assuming it's the same poo poo as ironruby: typical microsoft project follow-through (lack thereof)
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abraham linksys posted:wah whitespace I thought significant whitespace was fine and totally unobtrusive when I was writing Python, but then I realised that it makes it a pain in the rear end to do a lot of automated editing, at least compared to every other modern language. Otto Skorzeny posted:they got real closures in 2.7.x i think But they still have lame baby lambdas.
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VanillaKid posted:I thought significant whitespace was fine and totally unobtrusive when I was writing Python, but then I realised that it makes it a pain in the rear end to do a lot of automated editing, at least compared to every other modern language. well it's a fools errand to expect computers to understand tabs
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has anyone said program forth yet
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yah
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intellij idea 12 is out!!!
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stop posting screenshots of 2004 era video encoding software
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gucci void main posted:intellij idea 12 is out!!! crayola barforama, lookit all those toolbars and trays full of garbage
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Gazpacho posted:well i guess we've settled it then, forth is the cool programming language for stuff
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Cocoa Crispies posted:crayola barforama, lookit all those toolbars and trays full of garbage
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Cocoa Crispies posted:crayola barforama, lookit all those toolbars and trays full of garbage dsyp
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looks like chalk writing on the sidewalk
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psp (please stop posting)
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jooky posted:psp (please stop posting) 
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sulk, let's take a walk we need to have a little talk
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*collective 'ooooooo' from the class*
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:sulk, let's take a walk 
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Jonny 290 posted:*collective 'ooooooo' from the class* lol
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Jonny 290 posted:*collective 'ooooooo' from the class* haha
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gucci void main posted:intellij idea 12 is out!!! floppy disk toolbar icons, check sideways labels, check
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besides this is what a beautiful editor looks like
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Shameproof posted:I fiddled around with Reactive Extensions for C# and it's pretty neato. It changes event subscriptions into variables that sort of represent a garden hose that sprays events. You screw different nozzles onto the garden hose. rx is neat and worth digging into. people will look at you funny if you start saying 'the iterator is the dual of the observer' though.
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