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Zhentar: Sep 28, 2003; Brilliant Master Genius

Ender.uNF posted:

I'm not sure what you're referencing with the c# transition. The run times installed side by side and you can use old assemblies in the newer one so it was relatively painless. Now that we're on the other side it's a non-issue.

You could run things side by side, but you couldn't use an API with generics from a .NET 1.1 app, and things could be inconvenient the other way around as well. It is indeed a non-issue now, but I'm sure there was a lot of gnashing about it at the time.

rjmccall posted:

Well, I asume that they haven't stopped shipping the old system libraries. That's permanent disk footprint, and it's a pretty serious memory footprint if any applications need them. I'm aware that disk footprint isn't a traditional area of concern for Microsoft.

The Surface RT actually just has a single ".NET for Windows Store" installed which strips out a fairly significant portion of the .NET library (though as far as I know, it still maitains a fair number of the duplicate generic/non-generic equivalents).

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Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Lowtax is talking poo poo on Radium in YOSPOS and it's hilarious.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 19:20

ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Lowtax is talking poo poo on Radium in YOSPOS and it's hilarious.

Lowtax posted:

(20:40:15) Choochacacko: the original publishing method ken used was amazing
(20:40:49) Choochacacko: there were scripts on each of the production servers that ran every 1 minute. and they each tried to pull new copies of the dev files into production. every minute.

Wooooooooowww.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 19:24

McGlockenshire: Dec 16, 2005; GOLLOCKS!

Lowtax posted:

(17:03:26) SAAssLowtax: is the DNS issue causing the forums to be down?
(17:04:39) Choochacacko: don't think so. i'm checking now.
(17:13:08) SAAssLowtax: did it not send a notice that it went down?
(17:13:16) Choochacacko: blah. it's those stupid load balancers.
(17:13:25) Choochacacko: no, because the physical server was still online.
(17:13:35) Choochacacko: ken was using some software for load balancing and those aren't monitored
(17:13:59) Choochacacko: i'm working on phasing them out because they're 100% not needed except to serve the search page
(17:14:26) SAAssLowtax: good job ken
(17:14:56) Choochacacko: for serious. 2 servers exist and they're only purpose is to make sure /f/search can be accessed via forums.somethingawful.com

I knew search was hard, but come on.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 19:45

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

code:

private Dictionary<CustomerInfo, Dictionary<string, List<FeedbackData>>> m_Database;

I wrote this. I'm so sorry.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 19:52

baquerd: Jul 2, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

BiohazrD posted:

code:

private Dictionary<CustomerInfo, Dictionary<string, List<FeedbackData>>> m_Database;

I wrote this. I'm so sorry.

Two layers isn't so bad. Sometimes layering HashMaps can't be avoided, only abstracted so it's not as obvious that you're layering them:

code:

Dictionary<CustomerInfo, CustomerFeedback> custInfoToFeedbackMap;

class CustomerFeedback {
  //what the hell is this mapping anyway?
  Dictionary<String, List<FeedbackData>> foo;
}

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:01

Doctor w-rw-rw-: Jun 24, 2008

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Lowtax is talking poo poo on Radium in YOSPOS and it's hilarious.

I haven't touched YOSPOS since I joined. Do I want to start?

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:02

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

I haven't touched YOSPOS since I joined. Do I want to start?

Of course you do.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:03

Novo: May 13, 2003; ^{Stercorem pro cerebro habes}; Soiled Meat

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

I haven't touched YOSPOS since I joined. Do I want to start?

As with Linux, only if your time is worthless.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:25

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Novo posted:

As with Linux, only if your time is worthless.

Says the GBS poster to an anime aficionado.

Everyone on SA's time is worthless.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:27

No Safe Word: Feb 26, 2005

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Says the GBS poster to an anime aficionado.

Everyone on SA's time is worthless.

If the SA Forums could be summed up in a post, here it is folks.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 20:59

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Asked the apps engineer at $chip_vendor that is writing their optimization guide if he had a recommendation for a profiler.

optimization expert posted:

Sorry, I'm not too familiar with profilers, but...

[link to first google result gprof, which doesn't work on his company's chip]

...

[suggestion to write my own profiler that incidentally details a very bad way to write a profiler if i were foolish enough to want to do so]

...

Hope this helps!

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:06

Doctor w-rw-rw-: Jun 24, 2008

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Says the GBS poster to an anime aficionado.

Everyone on SA's time is worthless.

Technically anime pays my salary so listening in and talking about it has monetary value. :P

YOSPOS looks pretty terrible. If I want to read stupid posts I'd rather go to reddit or hacker news.

---

Today's horror for me is the fact that while debugging some bugs on Android I found out the default encoding for HTTP requests on the devices I was using was not UTF8 but ISO-something-or-other. Why can't everyone just use Unicode and UTF-{8,16,32}?

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:07

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

BiohazrD posted:

code:

private Dictionary<CustomerInfo, Dictionary<string, List<FeedbackData>>> m_Database;

I wrote this. I'm so sorry.

the horror is prefixing the variable with m_

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:08

Polio Vax Scene: Apr 5, 2009

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

YOSPOS looks pretty terrible. If I want to read stupid posts I'd rather go to reddit or hacker news.

You're gonna get it now.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:10

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Manslaughter posted:

You're gonna get it now.

People are allowed to not like YOSPOS, but in my experience it just means that you take yourself too seriously.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:12

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

People are allowed to not like YOSPOS, but in my experience it just means that you take yourself too seriously.

The Programming Languages thread is pretty good. Between these two threads I've learned alot about paroting poo poo about languages that I'll never use.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:16

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

The wikipedia thread and the computer puns threads are worthwhile.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:25

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

People are allowed to not like YOSPOS, but in my experience it just means that you take yourself too seriously.

what if I just got bored with it after a while

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:30

Bunny Cuddlin: Dec 12, 2004

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

People are allowed to not like YOSPOS, but in my experience it just means that you take yourself too seriously.

lol

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:36

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

Plorkyeran posted:

what if I just got bored with it after a while

Hey, this made me realize this is me.

Likely related to the fact that I'm getting olderish (35).

Though, after checking out the programming languages thread, I'm enjoying that...

Not sure how this is a coding horror, though.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:50

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:

Today's horror for me is the fact that while debugging some bugs on Android I found out the default encoding for HTTP requests on the devices I was using was not UTF8 but ISO-something-or-other. Why can't everyone just use Unicode and UTF-{8,16,32}?

The default encoding of ISO-8859-1 was set back in the dawn of time before the UTF encodings were hewn from the very rock of the IETF standards mines.

(i.e. no-one could be bothered implementing unicode back in the day when the internet was a lot more racist and changing it is hard)

# ? Dec 5, 2012 21:56

Volte: Oct 4, 2004; woosh woosh

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

People are allowed to not like YOSPOS, but in my experience it just means that you take yourself too seriously.

Actually it's because their idea of funny is posting "gas and ban the op" or "this thread is garbage" or some low effort pun about how the OP should get out in literally every thread

edit: my mental picture of YOSPOS posters is slightly chubby teens wearing cardigans and shades while sneering

# ? Dec 5, 2012 22:40

Novo: May 13, 2003; ^{Stercorem pro cerebro habes}; Soiled Meat

Volte posted:

Actually it's because their idea of funny is posting "gas and ban the op" or "this thread is garbage" or some low effort pun about how the OP should get out in literally every thread

edit: my mental picture of YOSPOS posters is slightly chubby teens wearing cardigans and shades while sneering

lighten up tightass, its a thing called humor.

my contribution, some code I found in ActiveLdap earlier today:

code:

      def parse_filter_string(filter)
        if /\A\s*\z/.match(filter)
          nil
        else
          if filter[0, 1] == "("
            filter
          else
            "(#{filter})"
          end
        end
      end

must be some new definition of 'parse' that I'm not aware of...

Novo fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 5, 2012

# ? Dec 5, 2012 22:44

Sinestro: Oct 31, 2010; The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

Volte posted:

my mental picture of YOSPOS posters is slightly chubby teens wearing cardigans and shades while sneering

Nice!

# ? Dec 5, 2012 22:57

Polio Vax Scene: Apr 5, 2009

YOSPOS is like that one guy in high school that was a jerk but got all the chicks

That programming thread is amazing. This javascript deserves a repost.

quote:

ﾟωﾟﾉ= /｀ｍ�）ﾉ ~┻━┻ //*�∇｀*/ ['_']; o=(ﾟｰﾟ) =_=3; c=(ﾟΘﾟ) =(ﾟｰﾟ)-(ﾟｰﾟ); (ﾟДﾟ) =(ﾟΘﾟ)= (o^_^o)/ (o^_^o);(ﾟДﾟ)={ﾟΘﾟ: '_' ,ﾟωﾟﾉ : ((ﾟωﾟﾉ==3) +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ] ,ﾟｰﾟﾉ :(ﾟωﾟﾉ+ '_')[o^_^o -(ﾟΘﾟ)] ,ﾟДﾟﾉ:((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_')[ﾟｰﾟ] }; (ﾟДﾟ) [ﾟΘﾟ] =((ﾟωﾟﾉ==3) +'_') [c^_^o];(ﾟДﾟ) ['c'] = ((ﾟДﾟ)+'_') [ (ﾟｰﾟ)+(ﾟｰﾟ)-(ﾟΘﾟ) ];(ﾟДﾟ) ['o'] = ((ﾟДﾟ)+'_') [ﾟΘﾟ];(ﾟoﾟ)=(ﾟДﾟ) ['c']+(ﾟДﾟ) ['o']+(ﾟωﾟﾉ +'_')[ﾟΘﾟ]+ ((ﾟωﾟﾉ==3) +'_') [ﾟｰﾟ] + ((ﾟДﾟ) +'_') [(ﾟｰﾟ)+(ﾟｰﾟ)]+ ((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ]+((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [(ﾟｰﾟ) - (ﾟΘﾟ)]+(ﾟДﾟ) ['c']+((ﾟДﾟ)+'_') [(ﾟｰﾟ)+(ﾟｰﾟ)]+ (ﾟДﾟ) ['o']+((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ];(ﾟДﾟ) ['_'] =(o^_^o) [ﾟoﾟ] [ﾟoﾟ];(ﾟεﾟ)=((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ]+ (ﾟДﾟ) .ﾟДﾟﾉ+((ﾟДﾟ)+'_') [(ﾟｰﾟ) + (ﾟｰﾟ)]+((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [o^_^o -ﾟΘﾟ]+((ﾟｰﾟ==3) +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ]+ (ﾟωﾟﾉ +'_') [ﾟΘﾟ]; (ﾟｰﾟ)+=(ﾟΘﾟ); (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]='\\'; (ﾟДﾟ).ﾟΘﾟﾉ=(ﾟДﾟ+ ﾟｰﾟ)[o^_^o -(ﾟΘﾟ)];(oﾟｰﾟo)=(ﾟωﾟﾉ +'_')[c^_^o];(ﾟДﾟ) [ﾟoﾟ]='\"';(ﾟДﾟ) ['_'] ( (ﾟДﾟ) ['_'] (ﾟεﾟ+(ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟoﾟ]+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟｰﾟ)+ (ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((ﾟｰﾟ) + (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟｰﾟ)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟｰﾟ)+ ((ﾟｰﾟ) + (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) +(o^_^o))+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) +(o^_^o))+ (ﾟｰﾟ)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+((ﾟｰﾟ) + (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (c^_^o)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟｰﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ (o^_^o)+ (ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((ﾟｰﾟ) + (o^_^o))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (o^_^o)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (c^_^o)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((ﾟｰﾟ) + (o^_^o))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟΘﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (o^_^o)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+(ﾟｰﾟ)+ ((o^_^o) - (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟεﾟ]+((ﾟｰﾟ) + (ﾟΘﾟ))+ (ﾟΘﾟ)+ (ﾟДﾟ)[ﾟoﾟ]) (ﾟΘﾟ)) ('_');

vv Sorry but the smilies broke it, I had no choice...you shouldn't have said anything, I browse with images turned off!

Polio Vax Scene fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 5, 2012

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:02

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Volte posted:

Actually it's because their idea of funny is posting "gas and ban the op" or "this thread is garbage" or some low effort pun about how the OP should get out in literally every thread

edit: my mental picture of YOSPOS posters is slightly chubby teens wearing cardigans and shades while sneering

Mostly for new threads, but long running ones don't have those specific insults.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:12

Jonnty: Aug 2, 2007; The enemy has become a flaming star!

Manslaughter posted:

YOSPOS is like that one guy in high school that was a jerk but got all the chicks

That programming thread is amazing. This javascript deserves a repost.

Don't edit that post to turn off smilies. They're perfect as they are.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:12

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

the horror is prefixing the variable with m_

Why? It's a member variable of a class.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:13

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

In general I am of the opinion that if marking the scope of variables in their names is ever useful then you have far too many things in scope.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:24

Golbez: Oct 9, 2002; 1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

How much is Hungarian notation despised here? I had to adopt it due to my predecessor and I've kept using it, though not in objects (it seems weird to get $oObject->sName instead of $oObject->Name), and as we move towards an OO framework in PHP I suspect that will drop off each more. It does give me a nice built in temp variable name though - $s for strings, $b for booleans, $a for arrays, etc. $i is for integers but that's one thing that's already in common use, in for loops at least.

It also allows for reusing names among types. For example, $sQuery is the database query, $rQuery is the resource that it gets, instead of having to do $query and $result or what not.

Not that I'm saying I love it, and the only reason I'm doing it is legacy, but ... it doesn't seem too horrible. I'm sure I'll still use $a, $s, etc. for temp variables after I move on from it.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:32

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

Plorkyeran posted:

In general I am of the opinion that if marking the scope of variables in their names is ever useful then you have far too many things in scope.

It makes it easier to write constructors and setters though. It's about the one bit of hungarianish notation I like.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:34

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

That's ridiculous. Accessors are just one example of where this owns.

code:

public class Example
{
	private string m_Name;
	public string Name
	{
		get
		{
			return m_Name;
		}
	}

	public Example(string InputName)
	{
		m_Name = InputName;
	}
}

Not to mention constructors, etc.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:35

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

What is it about temporary variables that makes people not want to give them meaningful names?

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:38

Golbez: Oct 9, 2002; 1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Jabor posted:

What is it about temporary variables that makes people not want to give them meaningful names?

for ($NumberOfIterations = 0; $NumberOfIterations <= 100; $NumberOfIterations++) {

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:40

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG: Mar 2, 2005

Everyone knows what 'i' is, so you don't need to reinvent the wheel. But seriously, foreach errday.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:42

Volte: Oct 4, 2004; woosh woosh

Golbez posted:

How much is Hungarian notation despised here? I had to adopt it due to my predecessor and I've kept using it, though not in objects (it seems weird to get $oObject->sName instead of $oObject->Name), and as we move towards an OO framework in PHP I suspect that will drop off each more. It does give me a nice built in temp variable name though - $s for strings, $b for booleans, $a for arrays, etc. $i is for integers but that's one thing that's already in common use, in for loops at least.

It also allows for reusing names among types. For example, $sQuery is the database query, $rQuery is the resource that it gets, instead of having to do $query and $result or what not.

Not that I'm saying I love it, and the only reason I'm doing it is legacy, but ... it doesn't seem too horrible. I'm sure I'll still use $a, $s, etc. for temp variables after I move on from it.

Unless you're in some kind of untyped wasteland, that sort of naming convention is completely useless. That's not even Hungarian notation. Hungarian notation affixes some kind of meaningful descriptor to the variable (like cnt for counter, fh for file handle, etc), not the type.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:46

Bunny Cuddlin: Dec 12, 2004

Golbez posted:

How much is Hungarian notation despised here? I had to adopt it due to my predecessor and I've kept using it, though not in objects (it seems weird to get $oObject->sName instead of $oObject->Name), and as we move towards an OO framework in PHP I suspect that will drop off each more. It does give me a nice built in temp variable name though - $s for strings, $b for booleans, $a for arrays, etc. $i is for integers but that's one thing that's already in common use, in for loops at least.

It also allows for reusing names among types. For example, $sQuery is the database query, $rQuery is the resource that it gets, instead of having to do $query and $result or what not.

Not that I'm saying I love it, and the only reason I'm doing it is legacy, but ... it doesn't seem too horrible. I'm sure I'll still use $a, $s, etc. for temp variables after I move on from it.

The original point of Hungarian (apps hungarian, I believe) was to show the purpose of the variable in front of it, almost like a soft typedef. The example I've always heard is, you've got a variable called rwOffset, your offset into a dataset by rows. Or, you've just captured user input into a string, so you do usName (for unsafe string). This made sense in the days of 80 characters before autocomplete. Now, just call it RowOffset and UnsantizedName.

bool bVariable and int iVariable doesn't make any sense to me in any context, really.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:50

Golbez: Oct 9, 2002; 1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Volte posted:

Unless you're in some kind of untyped wasteland

PHP.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:52

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raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

Plorkyeran posted:

In general I am of the opinion that if marking the scope of variables in their names is ever useful then you have far too many things in scope.

Even granting this for the sake of argument you still need a way to avoid name collisions between private fields and accessors for them in, for example, C++.

# ? Dec 5, 2012 23:55

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