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gucci void main posted:the only thing in ruby 1.9 they added that i know i hate is the symbol: value hash, because a lot of times you end up seeing symbol: :symbol and it looks ugly as sin. i don't know why anyone uses it when :symbol => value is so much clearer and you only use like two more characters why do you think typing the same number of colons plus a hashrocket is clearer your editor has syntax highlighting for a reason
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Sup nerds, heard you guys like computers
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TiMBuS posted:now it doeosnt take a fool to know youre making a joke at me, horse man and tef, but i could swear that if i read between the lines.. maybe youre trying to encourage me?? the only way i will succeed is to convince someone to give up programming and do something enjoyable and rewarding with their life
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Dec 6, 2012 00:43
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tef posted:the only way i will succeed is to convince someone to give up programming and do something enjoyable and rewarding with their life oh, im not a programmer. so its okay
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Dec 6, 2012 00:44
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Tef im super burnt out by 25 with computers and you + my dad have convinced me it wont get better, so theres that i guess
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Defghanistan posted:Sup nerds, heard you guys like computers computers are terrible
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0xB16B00B5 posted:Tef im super burnt out by 25 with computers and you + my dad have convinced me it wont get better, so theres that i guess seriously if you don't get the gently caress out by 28 or so you are doomed heed HEED
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Dec 6, 2012 00:51
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0xB16B00B5 posted:Tef im super burnt out by 25 with computers and you + my dad have convinced me it wont get better, so theres that i guess oh it's just me. i've burnt up in ever job i've been in. i'm just one of those people who is on fire. also i have worked at terrible places for terrible people. i've worked in very small companies who are happy to hire competent but crazy people. i tend to get a little stressed when i'm asked to lie to people or when we have to do something really stupid, or do something manually over and over again when we have a computer that can do it. the real thing is i spent decades of my life working on technical problems, but most of the problems you face in a job are social. doesn't matter what field you go into, people are there and thus politics and bullshit.
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Dec 6, 2012 00:54
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tef posted:the real thing is i spent decades of my life working on technical problems, but most of the problems you face in a job are social. doesn't matter what field you go into, people are there and thus politics and bullshit. its super clear now, but if someone had told me this in college, i (wisely) wouldn't have gone into programming
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Dec 6, 2012 00:55
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tef posted:oh it's just me. i've burnt up in ever job i've been in. i'm just one of those people who is on fire. lets go work for the forestry service somewhere
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Dec 6, 2012 00:59
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Ill just retire by 28 or 30, or slowly kill myself through excessive alcoholism
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0xB16B00B5 posted:slowly kill myself through excessive alcoholism im on the 10 year plan
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maybe u should all help me write a compiler.
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TiMBuS posted:maybe u should all help me write a compiler. YosComp.
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Dec 6, 2012 01:10
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if people are in charge of the money you receive to survive in some way, the job's gonna be about people and dealing with them to a non-negligible extent.
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TiMBuS posted:yall seem pretty depressed Nah option 1 is pretty appealing so im killing time until that kicks in
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TiMBuS posted:perl 6 isnt designed to be an upgrade path from 5. its also not designed to replace 5.
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Gazpacho posted:its designed for the sake of designing it afaict probably the best reason to make a language
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timbus ship the pepe
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Jerry SanDisky posted:its super clear now, but if someone had told me this in college, i (wisely) wouldn't have gone into programming we have social mythology around 'genius hackers' and 'lone dropouts working in their garage' and other stories about how it's all about working hard and society will reward you. it's a little a bit more overt as of late, what with film biographies being made and so on. it makes a better story than the truth anyway, and I like an idiot brought up on second hand dreams kinda bought into the idea that if you are smart, people will listen to you. taking in the lie told by those in power, that they got there by a meritocracy.
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House from House M.D. is who I want to be but with computers -- a bunch of tech people, wishing to be so right all the time people are forced to respect them.
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all i need is a limp and a motorcycle. i've got the sarcasm and a drug habit
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just get the latter and the former will probably follow before too long that, or a nice death by degloving
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gently caress, we are pretty morose arent we
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these days whenever i think of a new idea or system or procedure to greatly improve my workplace, i just try my hardest to completely forget about it. its easier that way. you dont have to listen to your boss rejecting your ideas, and you dont have to think about 'what could have been'. you jsut do work and dont think and eventually the day ends i dont think that you will be any happier not programming
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guess i shouldnt be surprised that, being unemployed, im the only one in this thread who apparently actually enjoys coding
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tef what do you think about actors as a solution to parallelism? i've been playing on designing a language with typed mutability so you didn't have to deep-copy messages, then microsoft came out with this loving paper http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/170528/msr-tr-2012-79.pdf for C#
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Dec 6, 2012 01:56
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just become the boss, it makes things a lot easier
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:just become the boss, it makes things a lot easier make sure to figure out what your weak spots are, though. armor that poo poo up because some day someone will try to stab you there.
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i used to clean meat factories with a steam hose for 8 hours a night, starting at 10pm. sometimes i thought of faster ways to clean the meat chunks out of the conveyers. i even tried and tested better ways of spraying the sodium hydroxide around to make it quicker to blast off the rancid fat (it is very sticky). it was truely the freest i have ever been in a job. its a pity i had to quit, but the lack of sleep, chemical burns, and the fact i couldnt move my fingers for a good hour after i woke up sort of put me off. grass is always greener i guess
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Jonny 290 posted:that, or a nice death by degloving ick
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tef posted:it turns out people other than web developers use python, and as such are wedded to c-module compatibility. breaking the abi is telling your users and developers to go gently caress themselves. the joke in my post was a reference to makefiles guido could have fixed python gc back when he had like five users, considered that course, and rejected it. now it is a source of pain and confusion makefile whitespace sensitivity is the same story tef posted:then again, you can look at ruby for the success of getting c programmers to write gc-friendly code http://timetobleed.com/the-broken-promises-of-mrireeyarv/ (i.e by sprinkling magic volatile dust over the code) i had always wondered how they achieved this. now that i know, i kinda would prefer not to know maybe i can't make fun of python so vociferously
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tef posted:perl 5 is used in enterprise. it will never die. nor will the local copy ever be upgraded. my most shameful perl moment was backporting perl 5.10 code on linux to perl 5.8 on solaris and 5.6 on hp-ux..... in 2011 much to my surprise (read: horror) it only took a few hours  i narrowly escaped being "that guy" by quitting and becoming a cj* * a dubious victory
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Jonny 290 posted:gently caress, we are pretty morose arent we although 100% pessimism shouldn't get you going too far in the end. Pessimism and hubris, I guess. Whatever the quote was.
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duTrieux. posted:make sure to figure out what your weak spots are, though. armor that poo poo up because some day someone will try to stab you there. ya this is true, nerds are vengeful little fuckers
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TiMBuS posted:you dont have to listen to your boss rejecting your ideas, and you dont have to think about 'what could have been'. i was a consultant for some years i lived 'what could have been.' pro tip: it was also poo poo every path not taken in your work life: total poo poo results one can look back and debate whether you could have made more money or had more friends but if you work in a white collar job, there is no need to debate whether a better result could have been achieved. the answer is "no."
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oh i am talking less philosophically and big here. i just mean like, 'hey we could reduce this job by an hour (and make my task less hell) if we..' also my job is not white collar. i cant get a white collar job
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Sang- posted:tef what do you think about actors as a solution to parallelism? actors are a type of concurrency. the solution to parallelism is to avoid things having to synchronise with each other. the chapel language is one which attempts to deal with hpc issues like parallelism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_(programming_language) quote:i've been playing on designing a language with typed mutability so you didn't have to deep-copy messages, then microsoft came out with this loving paper http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/170528/msr-tr-2012-79.pdf for C# this stuff was already in plaid and has been kicking around for a bit
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the joke in my post was a reference to makefiles this happens in any gc + native c language thing. you can have an object that isn't on the (managed) stack anymore, but still in use. c# has a gc.keepalive for this thing.
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