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Trax416 posted:Thinking about picking up an ADATA SX900 256gb for $169. I have 24 hours before the sale ends. That's a Sandforce drive without RAISE enabled. Drives like that are specifically recommended against in the OP.
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Trax416 posted:Thinking about picking up an ADATA SX900 256gb for $169. I have 24 hours before the sale ends. Yeah, like it was pointed out - this falls under the "do NOT buy" category. Avoid SandForce drives with sizes like 64GB, 128GB, 256GB, 512GB, etc. SandForce drives should have 60GB, 120GB, 240GB, 480GB, etc.
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Dec 11, 2012 16:32
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Is running a VM going to nuke my SSD? Virtualbox/XP to be specific.
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Dec 11, 2012 16:42
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Hadlock posted:Is running a VM going to nuke my SSD? Virtualbox/XP to be specific. Nope, it will fly.
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Dec 11, 2012 16:45
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Bob Morales posted:Nope, it will fly. Might be a better question for the VM thread, but how much SSD IO performance do you lose by using Virtualization? Would passing through a complete SSD help?
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Dec 11, 2012 16:48
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Bob Morales posted:Nope, it will fly. Yeah I am running XP on virtualbox via RDP on a 1.8ghz atom processor, it's actually more responsive than the Unity GUI (go figure). My main concerns are that XP doesn't have any sort of SMART support and leaving the VM up will cause double the nominal read/write cycles to the drive due to effectively having two computers sharing one drive. Unless virtualbox handles most of that in memory. This is one of those el cheapo woot.com crucial SSDs from a couple months ago. Grim Up North posted:Might be a better question for the VM thread, but how much SSD IO performance do you lose by using Virtualization? Would passing through a complete SSD help? XP is stupid snappy on an atom processor with an SSD.
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Dec 11, 2012 16:50
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Grim Up North posted:Might be a better question for the VM thread, but how much SSD IO performance do you lose by using Virtualization? Would passing through a complete SSD help? Honestly I don't even notice. I have a XP VM that boots in like 5 seconds on my Core i3 with a SATA 2 SSD. There some sort of caching anomaly going on but here are my CrystalDiskMark results in that VM were all along the lines of 630-650MB/s read and 315-350MB/s write.
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Bob Morales posted:Honestly I don't even notice. I have a XP VM that boots in like 5 seconds on my Core i3 with a SATA 2 SSD. 26 seconds on an atom processor, just now. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it just yet, but it's nice to know I can fire up another windows instance if need be.
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Factory Factory posted:I think Plextor's M5 should get a spot on the "drives to avoid" list. That test by anandtech is totally unrealistic as for what the end user will observe. Look at the description: quote:When and how an SSD decides to run its defrag and cleanup routines directly impacts the user experience. Frequent (borderline aggressive) cleanup generally results in more stable performance, while delaying that can result in higher peak performance at the expense of much lower worst case performance. The graphs below tell us a lot about the architecture of these SSDs and how they handle internal defragmentation. They entirely fill the disk, then immediately start running a random write test. Who runs a SSD like that in their machine? All this does is test when/how drives do garbage collection and TRIM. If you have free space on a drive that is regularly trimmed, or any significant amount of idle time (say, browsing the web instead of writing linux ISOs to disk for 30 minutes, or going to lunch, or leaving your desktop on overnight) you will not observe this. I have a 512GB Plextor M5 Pro. It's been lightning fast, lives up to all AS-SSD benchmarks, and has been quite excellent at large sustained writes (stuff like installing CentOS in a 40GB VM, installing Eve Online @ ~18GB, reading/writing *large* videos, etc). One unrealistic anand test does not invalidate real-world reliability and performance.
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pmchem posted:They entirely fill the disk, then immediately start running a random write test. Anyone who runs out of space and then has something swap? Most people don't spring for 512GB SSDs. If they gently caress up something that 9 out of 10 manufacturers don't, it's still a good reason not to buy. Who knows what else is screwed up in the firmware that's more important.
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Hadlock posted:My main concerns are that XP doesn't have any sort of SMART support and leaving the VM up will cause double the nominal read/write cycles to the drive due to effectively having two computers sharing one drive.
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DrDork posted:Do not worry about this. it would literally take several years before you even have to think about worrying about it. And by then you'll be itching to upgrade to the SATA 4 5TB SSD that you're seeing on NewEgg for $150, anyhow. Doubtful, the thing is quite literally bolted to the wall in my "under the stairs" hall closet next to my wifi router, attached (along with the router and cable modem) to a UPS*. Hopefully the next and last time I look at this machine will be to plug an external USB drive in to one of the USB 3.0 ports for additional storage in a couple of years. The primary drive is a 60GB SSD and has ~51GB free, I don't expect to ever fill that up. *I recommend this to everyone, download speeds during blackouts are insane
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Hadlock posted:Doubtful, the thing is quite literally bolted to the wall in my "under the stairs" hall closet next to my wifi router, attached (along with the router and cable modem) to a UPS*. Hopefully the next and last time I look at this machine will be to plug an external USB drive in to one of the USB 3.0 ports for additional storage in a couple of years. The primary drive is a 60GB SSD and has ~51GB free, I don't expect to ever fill that up.
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Dec 12, 2012 13:22
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For whatever reason, it doesn't. I suspect this is because they offer landline service over cable now and whatever uptime is required for that. The router + modem will run for about 5 hours off the 5Ah battery, which coincidentally is about how long my laptop's battery is useful for.
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Dec 12, 2012 13:30
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Hadlock posted:*I recommend this to everyone, download speeds during blackouts are insane I love when the power goes out at work, I'm the only desktop on UPS, and so it our modem/router. Just sittin' in the dark surfing the internet. 
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I was once playing Battlefield 2142 with the cable modem, monitor and all other essentials (including networking) plugged into a UPS. I was able to play through for another half-hour before deciding to shut it all down. If I had sound still (speakers were not on battery), I might have stuck around a bit longer. Kind of eerie when the rest of the house and street are almost pitch black.
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This is like a month old, but BeHardware posted updated SSD return rate statistics. OCZ is the only manufacturer with failure rates significantly above 1%, and the only drives with failure rates above 5% are OCZ models. Interestingly, even OCZ's failure rates seem to be settling down to a steady-state rate of 5%, still about five times the industry average. It'll be interesting to see how their new "commitment to reliability" impacts the Vector, but we won't know for quite some time.
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quote:- 40.00% for the OCZ Petrol 64 GB 
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Dec 12, 2012 20:35
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Maybe the previous higher return rates were due to firmware issues? Sandforce firmware seems to have stabilized, people are quick to recommend almost all the SF drives where a few months ago most people would've said to avoid them. Probably an inverse reason for Crucial going up, too. People returning because of the recent firmware problems? Nice to see the Samsung drives right about where they should be and the recommendations for 830s were still good when we didn't have this information.
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The 120 gig Samsung 840 for $100 w/ 20 rebate JUST sold out on Newegg. Motherfucker! The 60 gig Intel 330 for $60 looks all the more appealing now.. But I must show restraint 
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Cromlech posted:The 120 gig Samsung 840 for $100 w/ 20 rebate JUST sold out on Newegg. Motherfucker! The 60 gig Intel 330 for $60 looks all the more appealing now.. But I must show restraint
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Oh. Yeah, I mean I did see it in the OP, but it was a year old and I didn't check the edit date. Whoops. I'll wait for a nice Intel/Samsung 830 deal then. (830s are good, right?)
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Grim Up North posted:Might be a better question for the VM thread, but how much SSD IO performance do you lose by using Virtualization? Would passing through a complete SSD help? You probably won't notice, I have a 120Gb SSD I load with VDI's poo poo fly's most storage vendors are recommending SSD's for VDI anyways. The likely hood of you killing the SSD prior to you upgrading it is unlikely.
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Cromlech posted:Oh. Yeah, I mean I did see it in the OP, but it was a year old and I didn't check the edit date. Whoops. I'll wait for a nice Intel/Samsung 830 deal then. (830s are good, right?) Samsung 830s are good, yes. Also, apparently discontinued.
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Hadlock posted:Doubtful, the thing is quite literally bolted to the wall in my "under the stairs" hall closet next to my wifi router, attached (along with the router and cable modem) to a UPS*. Hopefully the next and last time I look at this machine will be to plug an external USB drive in to one of the USB 3.0 ports for additional storage in a couple of years. The primary drive is a 60GB SSD and has ~51GB free, I don't expect to ever fill that up.
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Yeah the Samsung 830s have been replaced with the 840 Pros. I fully expect them to be as reliable and faster than the Samsung 830, but I'm not comfortable with recommending them until they've had a few months to mature. The 840 non-Pro on the other hand, I think there's potential for the 250GB models to be rather reliable when mature, but I'm really concerned about how the 120GB models will do. You're looking at ~3.5 years of endurance for a pessimistic desktop workload (10GB/day with 10X write amplification), which is worrying.
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There are many cheap-ish Intel 330 on ebay sold by people flipping blackfriday deals. If you're comfortable with ebay, they're decent deals. 120 for 180gb, 160 for 240gb.
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Any news on those Corsairs with the Link_A_Media Devices controller?
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The SanDisk Extreme 240GB drives are going at $166. Are these good drives? Should I hold out for a better offer? I have an 830 that I got for $80 (128gb) but once they introduced the 840 they rocketed up to stupid pricing, and I was hoping to get another one soon but at $1/GB that's ridiculous.
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Bob Morales posted:Any news on those Corsairs with the Link_A_Media Devices controller? Steiler Drep posted:The SanDisk Extreme 240GB drives are going at $166. Are these good drives? Should I hold out for a better offer? I have an 830 that I got for $80 (128gb) but once they introduced the 840 they rocketed up to stupid pricing, and I was hoping to get another one soon but at $1/GB that's ridiculous.
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Alereon posted:I bought one in the Black Friday sale and I'm pretty happy with it, just make sure you update the firmware as soon as you get it. Yeah, it's been pretty good so far, speed numbers right around where you'd expect (which is pretty darn good for an imaged system). I'll also note that SanDisk's SSD ToolKit is surprisingly unobtrusive, only runs when you want it to, and makes flashing the firmware stupidly easy, especially if you have a USB thumbdrive.
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Alereon posted:I bought one in the Black Friday sale and I'm pretty happy with it, just make sure you update the firmware as soon as you get it. I didn't even think to do this for my SanDisk Extreme 240...is there any risk to my data for updating the firmware if I do it now? I bought mine the same day you did.
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So I haven't seen this drive mentioned, but I've been looking at the Comay Venus Pro 3 for my laptop. It has a SandForce 2281 controller, Intel synchronous nand, a three-year warranty, and a built-in capacitor to prevent data loss. Only place I can find it is from M Factors (http://tinyurl.com/b9co4u3), but the price seems good. Anyone know anything about these drives? Are they legit?
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Shooting Blanks posted:I didn't even think to do this for my SanDisk Extreme 240...is there any risk to my data for updating the firmware if I do it now? I bought mine the same day you did.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I didn't even think to do this for my SanDisk Extreme 240...is there any risk to my data for updating the firmware if I do it now? I bought mine the same day you did. I updated the firmware on mine after imaging to it, and it seems to have worked flawlessly. Should be fine! 
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So, I've never bought a SSD before, but I'm looking into them since I am building a new PC soon. I'm not sure how up to date the OP is, so what are the better drives to keep an eye out for? Has the Samsung 840 Pro matured enough to be a good option? Also, I saw in the deal thread that NCIX has an Intel 330 240gb listed for $155. But from looking at more recent benchmarks it seems like the Intel 330 isn't that great anymore.
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The OP was just updated a week or two ago; it's pretty current. No, the 840 Pro hasn't had enough time on the market to really be considered "mature," but if you're ok with the risk, chances are good that it'll be fine.
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kthegreat posted:\Also, I saw in the deal thread that NCIX has an Intel 330 240gb listed for $155. But from looking at more recent benchmarks it seems like the Intel 330 isn't that great anymore. Don't shop based on benchmarks.
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