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thanks alot assbag posted:The biggest momentum killers have probably been the summer hiatuses. Somewhere around last May, updates got really spotty and then pretty much stopped for a few months, save occasional flash updates (Synchronize/Unite, Caliborn: Enter). They final resumed around mid September I think, and even those were just updates in between Meenahquests. I get the feeling act 5, especially towards the end, ate up alot of time for things Hussie really should have be prioritizing all along. I'm not talking about the kickstarter so much as behind-the-scenes, real life related stuff like his buisness and relations. So he ended up putting homestuck on the backburner for awhile so that he could, quite literally, catch up with his life.
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The hard to pin down thing about discussions of how Homestuck is dragging is that any one update is almost certain to get overwhelmingly positive responses. Any one log will be fun to read, any one piece of art or little flash will get us all excited and worked up. It's only when we take a step back and look at the direction of the whole comic in aggregate that the frustrations begin. That's not to say that no one now is opening a log full of Jake bumbling around, sighing, and closing the window, just that for the most part people are praising and cheering each new update but will agree that something overall is off the rails.
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thanks alot assbag posted:The biggest momentum killers have probably been the summer hiatuses. Somewhere around last May, updates got really spotty and then pretty much stopped for a few months, save occasional flash updates (Synchronize/Unite, Caliborn: Enter). They final resumed around mid September I think, and even those were just updates in between Meenahquests. I can agree with this. The hiatus' are the issue, not the actual pacing of the comic itself.
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It is 2013 and I still can't give someone money to listen to "Eternity's Shylock."
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I got my Slickpak today! The deck of cards is really sweet and I love how they did the cards by suit. The only thing is the 8 of diamonds pretty much makes this deck unsuitable to play at any family occasion. I don't want my sister or something asking why there are gray naked ladies on the card. I didn't know that the Slickpak came with a poster and stickers and a Sburb keychain, so that was a nice surprise.
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Snollygoster posted:It is 2013 and I still can't give someone money to listen to "Eternity's Shylock."
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Jan 11, 2013 01:59
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JOHN SKELETON posted:This is the worst thing about Homestuck currently. No, the worst thing about Homestuck is that it's 2013 and I still can't give someone money to listen to "Theme to Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff the Movie"
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Jan 11, 2013 02:22
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No, the worst thing about Homestuck is that it's 2013 and I still can't give someone money to listen to "Theme to Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff the Movie" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_IKuy8ukc Don't thank me, it's quite terrible.
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Nephthys posted:You guys are nuts, Homestucks still as entertaining as always. It was worth it for the Meenah walkabouts + Ministrife. Plus Condesce, Caliborn, Gamzee, Roxy, Drunk Rose, ARquius, Erisol and Fefeta. drat it, think of dear, sweet, poor Fefeta! Pretty much. I know I'm still all-in. I think the primary problem is that, as briefly touched upon, I think everyone is just getting really impatient for that meteor to arrive. Everyone's been teased with something they want, which will definitely happen, and it's taking it's sweet time. Kind of like Dave's strife with his Bro, or Jade falling from her exploded room, or getting back to the kids during Hivebent, waiting for Jade to enter the medium and for Cascade, the numerical countdown during act five towards an "Important event"(hell, I almost even forgot that was a thing at all by now), seeing which trolls survive the trollpocalypse, etc. Just because everyone loves the beta kids + their leftover trolls, doesn't mean that the meteor is the only important thing in the story, or that the story must be measured by it being the most important plot point and that delaying it to do other things (which will very directly affect the event when it happens!) is bad. Seeing what the deal is with the cherubs(especially in regards to the rise to power and potential building downfall of the primary possibly final antagonist), the Condesce, and seeing what the alpha session is like and what kind of mess the beta kids will arrive to is all things that would be good to explore before the meteor shows up, and things start getting real. Of course, the other side of this is that it wouldn't even be much of a problem to most people if we weren't reading this episodically. Edit: Captain Oblivious posted:I can agree with this. The hiatus' are the issue, not the actual pacing of the comic itself. Maybe almost the tl;dr version of my post and point, I think. Snollygoster posted:It is 2013 and I still can't give someone money to listen to the finished version of Spider's Claw. 
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QVC Drinking Game posted:W/R/T Act 6 dragging -- I wonder if new readers who read Act 6 in the archives feel the same way. I caught up early in A6A2, about a year ago, and I didn't have any sense of things dragging on pointlessly during Hivebent, like a lot of people who read it live seem to. Act 6 does seem slow to me now sometimes but that might not be the case when it doesn't take months of real time to get to the action. And the Hussmaster has said he designs the story primarily to be read in the archives. I have a friend who was an archival reader and he found it even worse than I did. No one ever does anything in Act 6. The alpha kids putter around getting their chains yanked by Caliborn and the Condesce, who in turn just do Vaguely Nefarious Things in the background, and in the intermissions, the cast that actually matters still hasn't nailed down a solid gameplan to defeat English. There aren't any major plot developments to grab one's interest, and most of the Alpha Kids were so bland/unpleasant that even their interactions became tedious - which gets much worse when you're tackling the giant walls of Jake shipping chat all at once, and not serially. Even this latest Trickster development just fell right into Jane's lap, with no buildup and only scanty foreshadowing. Compare Cascade, which got the better part of a year's momentum and was every bit as satisfying as it needed to be. We're in the loving endgame! The main villain looms, creation hangs in the balance, and the most important subjects of the last six months have been "Jake English is stupid" and "Caliborn is kind of a snot." The longer this poo poo goes on, the less confident I am we'll get a satisfying denouement for a story of this girth and scope. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Plom Bar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_IKuy8ukc No, I mean this "Theme of Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff the Movie" EDIT: To be fair, the problem with Act 6 is also the problem with Cascade: Cascade wraps up SO MANY loose ends that Act 6 has practically no mysteries left to unravel, so Hussie basically has to start anew with establishing foreshadowing and new "questions," which takes a lot of time. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Jan 11, 2013 03:01
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^^There didn't have to be a bunch of mysteries to unravel, though. It was supposed to be an endgame/action climax sort of act; there was a set action plan, and it still hasn't happened yet now, over a year later.Dolash posted:The hard to pin down thing about discussions of how Homestuck is dragging is that any one update is almost certain to get overwhelmingly positive responses. There have been plenty of updates lately that I've found boring and disappointing. I keep reading because I'm pretty emotionally invested in the story at this point and because several updates have been legit awesome (the walkarounds, arquius, most of Roxy's logs, etc), but I have to say it does seem like the story is stalling pretty hard. I keep thinking there's about to be some, like, actual plot resolution, and it turns out to either be a THIS IS STUPID style anticlimax or another goddamn new character/problem/plot direction. It's like the Wheel of Time series except with less spanking porn and better jokes. I'm starting to think that Hussie may not actually be very good at ending stories. Re: Archival reading- I think that if I'd stopped reading at Cascade and then come back and read the whole thing up to now in one big meandering Jake-obsessed chunk, I would probably be pretty pissed about how little has actually happened. Pessimism fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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I read up to myststuck from archives (I only started reading homestuck after the kickstarter got a lot of attention), and I didn't think the alpha kids were especially boring or lame. I thought a lot of the troll parts were a lot more tedious. I skipped the meteor interactive flash thing, and didn't read any of the vriska ancestor journals. Also anything with karkat talking to himself.
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Emacs Headroom posted:I skipped the meteor interactive flash thing, Which one? That must have been confusing. quote:and didn't read any of the vriska ancestor journals. Good. quote:Also anything with karkat talking to himself. You're missing out on a lot of humor and characterization.
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Does anyone remember when Hussie made that blog post about Inception and how the directors should not have been afraid to stretch it out a few extra hours to explore the universe more? It doesn't seem like he has a good sense of pacing or audience fatigue. As much as I have enjoyed Homestuck, at this point I really want it to end and for Hussie to move onto other projects.
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Emacs Headroom posted:I read up to myststuck from archives (I only started reading homestuck after the kickstarter got a lot of attention), and I didn't think the alpha kids were especially boring or lame. I thought a lot of the troll parts were a lot more tedious. I skipped the meteor interactive flash thing, and didn't read any of the vriska ancestor journals. Also anything with karkat talking to himself. You mean Alterniabound? But that flash was ace!
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Ariong posted:Which one? That must have been confusing. The one when the trolls are getting killed I think, and another one before that. I couldn't stand to have trolls walk around and talk to other trolls, then become trolls so they could talk to yet more trolls. I skipped to the next page and wasn't especially confused by anything. I had already been skipping some of the more tedious chatlogs by that time. After catching up to the story, I started reading things in their entirity. I played through the troll ancestor games for example. The pacing is obviously very different between being able to keep reading and there being hundreds more pages, and there only being this page today and maybe one or a couple tomorrow. It's a different experience that people won't really be able to have once homestuck is done. Though I would hate to have been following from very early. I'm not sure I would have the attention span for it.
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Emacs Headroom posted:The one when the trolls are getting killed I think, and another one before that. I couldn't stand to have trolls walk around and talk to other trolls, then become trolls so they could talk to yet more trolls. I skipped to the next page and wasn't especially confused by anything. I had already been skipping some of the more tedious chatlogs by that time. The first troll flash game was long, but the two that came after it were really short and kind of narratively important.  Not to mention on the third, I knew a few people who were disappointed because it was buggy and a few thought it glitching out was the end of the flash, and spoiled themselves on the next panel before having to go back and see the Equius and Gamzee confrontation movie later.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Yes, the problem with Homestuck is that there isn't enough content. I want this thing to be as densely populated as possible. Update six times a day with six separate, parallel stories, Hussie.
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Pessimism posted:^^There didn't have to be a bunch of mysteries to unravel, though. It was supposed to be an endgame/action climax sort of act; there was a set action plan, and it still hasn't happened yet now, over a year later. I'm not really sure I'd agree with Cascade being the climax of the whole story. Even before it happened it was pretty clear there were a lot of plot threads set up that probably wouldn't be resolved right away, like Lord English and whatever. And also pretty much everything that was set up to happen in Cascade/the critical moment (the Scratch, detonating the tumor, the Doc's death, Jack destroying the frog, Trolls leaving their session) all happened. Personally I see Homestuck so far as being three 'mini'-narratives. Acts 1-4, climaxing in Descend, then all of Act 5, climaxing in Cascade, and now Act 6+. Each section had pretty clear periods of introduction (of the kids, the universe, the game/the trolls/the beta kids and cherubs), escalation leading to some fairly clear endpoint (Jack's rise to power, the critical moment, final confrontation against LE), and climax.
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Nate RFB posted:The B2 kids seem to be basically satellite characters for Caliborn. Although Hussie always had planned on doing the switch as far back as [S] Descend., at least. Caliborn owns, so I'm fine with this. Well Manicured Man posted:And on the official Homestuck music front, Tensei just posted something he's working on that could "possibly" be for Homestuck. It sounds pretty Irish-y to me, with the rhythm and the rustic pipes--maybe a strife theme for Jake? Oh please be doing a "Strife 2" album for the alpha kids... I'm getting a Pirates of the Caribbean feel from it personally (an entire album devoted to Vriska obviously) but I'd kill for Strife Vol. 2. Also Homestuck Vol. 10 with Eternity's Shylock.. thanks alot assbag posted:The biggest momentum killers have probably been the summer hiatuses. Somewhere around last May, updates got really spotty and then pretty much stopped for a few months, save occasional flash updates (Synchronize/Unite, Caliborn: Enter). They final resumed around mid September I think, and even those were just updates in between Meenahquests. Yeah, I have to agree with this. I understand why Hussie had to take these huge breaks (kickstarter and whatnot) but they made the comic stall out and let the readers forget why certain things were going on.
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Nephthys posted:You guys are nuts, Homestucks still as entertaining as always. It was worth it for the Meenah walkabouts + Ministrife. Plus Condesce, Caliborn, Gamzee, Roxy, Drunk Rose, ARquius, Erisol and Fefeta. drat it, think of dear, sweet, poor Fefeta! drat straight.
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Act 6 has been rising action so far. There was a whole lot of puttering around aimlessly in acts 1 through 4 as well, remember? Many of the biggest events of act 4 ended up being undone by time travel, mysteries were piling up with no solutions in sight, and the trolls were nothing but hostile and hard to read. The main difference is that in act 6 we know that it will end and how it will end. All the time establishing characters and plot devices was not wasted - John's willingness to be led to his death by untrustworthy outsiders was no less frustrating to watch than Jake's inability to take a loving hint, and I don't doubt that the latter will have a payoff as satisfying as the former.
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I get the feeling that Act 7 won't be so much of an epilogue as it will be the entirety of the part where everyone poses together because poo poo just got real, and then poo poo getting real. Act is is all just one big buildup to that. Some people were probably expecting the B1 kids to show up during Act 6 and do poo poo and take the fight to Lord English before Act 7 but I'm guessing the end of act 6 flash will be everyone finally arriving. The ship, the meteor, SS, PM, the dreambubble guys if they haven't all been capped by Lord English by then (fat chance). Everyone.
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Emacs Headroom posted:I read up to myststuck from archives (I only started reading homestuck after the kickstarter got a lot of attention), and I didn't think the alpha kids were especially boring or lame. I thought a lot of the troll parts were a lot more tedious. I skipped the meteor interactive flash thing, and didn't read any of the vriska ancestor journals. Also anything with karkat talking to himself. Then why loving bother.
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Well Manicured Man posted:For those of you who haven't seen it yet, last Saturday I finished and released Rust Apocalypse! There is at least one new arrangement of each of my coloUrs and mayhem tracks. JT Jag posted:I get the feeling that Act 7 won't be so much of an epilogue as it will be the entirety of the part where everyone poses together because poo poo just got real, and then poo poo getting real. Act is is all just one big buildup to that. Some people were probably expecting the B1 kids to show up during Act 6 and do poo poo and take the fight to Lord English before Act 7 but I'm guessing the end of act 6 flash will be everyone finally arriving. The ship, the meteor, SS, PM, the dreambubble guys if they haven't all been capped by Lord English by then (fat chance). Everyone. Interesting idea, and I might be a bit inclined to agree. Unless Act 6 is still a looong way from finishing, I don't see the "epilogue" starting out anything less than tense. There's a whole lot of posing and sleuth diplomacy that you can tell Hussie is building up to.
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I put Problem Sleuth down years ago when it got repetitive but Homestuck's been funny and compelling and an overall blast so far through to the end of Act 3. Spoilers or not, how far am I from wherever it transforms into a troll-fanart-spewing, own-tindeck-genre-having, rabid-internet-follwing cult phenomenon?
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tomanton posted:I put Problem Sleuth down years ago when it got repetitive but Homestuck's been funny and compelling and an overall blast so far through to the end of Act 3. Spoilers or not, how far am I from wherever it transforms into a troll-fanart-spewing, own-tindeck-genre-having, rabid-internet-follwing cult phenomenon? They're introduced in act 4 in a background role, then enter as the crazy horned dudes in act 5.
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Emacs Headroom posted:Also anything with karkat talking to himself. You missed out severely. These are the funniest conversations in the story by a very significant margin.
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Hooray! I'm so scared guys! Like utterly loving petrified! Aren't you just the most scared you have ever been in your entire life? 
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Elysiume posted:I don't know what happening but I don't think it's good.  e: omigosh click the top banner! treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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It's like, there's absolutely noting but innocent happy sugary stuff, and considering what we're reading that is in and of itself really creepy. 
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Okay, now I'm scared. Because I remember Terezi describing Death (viz. Lord English) as having a "terrible hypnotic glare" and that describes what we're currently seeing far better than any billiard eyes. Also the part where cherubs are turning into cals. The black and white wings on them is also disconcerting. I'm experimenting with leaving the horrorterrors and cherubs alone, but nothing seems to be different if you leave some, none, or all of them alone. This update has made me realize that Lil Cal's eyes are Jane-colored, not John-colored. Jane is killing angels, too. Where is she? This environment has never before been seen in Homestuck. Those floating palaces in the background are from Problem Sleuth's epilogue, inhabited by the Demimonde Semigoddess and other lesser divine figures. The "Z" in the background makes me think that we're in the Wozzinjay Fiefdom in the Realm of the Snargly Fruzmigbubbins. This is incredibly silly! Bongo Bill fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 11, 2013 |
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Jan 11, 2013 11:19
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I suspect that Jane is on the mother of all acid-trips.
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