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Chorrax posted:Help me say something D&D, because I just... can't... Is it wrong of me to say that you should just say "You're not going to do it. You don't have the balls?"
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Barudak posted:I believe this lovely individuals argument is ignore the appeals process and light them up now to save money.  It reminds me of Rick Perry more or less gloating that he might have sent an innocent man to death, or the many hundreds of people that have been exonerated by DNA evidence. As for vaccines, what the poo poo?! I don't think he understands correlation vs. causation. For diseases, you can effectively prove that 1) the disease doesn't happen without the organism, 2) the disease apparently happens only with the introduction of the organism, and 3) blocking or vaccination of the organism prevents the manifestation of symptoms. That effectively establishes causation. Correlation vs. Causation would be "everyone with the disease also has this organism" - it ignores the possibility that people without the organism have the disease, that removing the organism won't remove the symptoms, that people without the disease have the organism, etc. The case of vaccination is just the negative of establishing the cause.
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Barudak posted:I believe this lovely individuals argument is ignore the appeals process and light them up now to save money. Yeah, and my response is that it doesn't actually save any significant amount of money
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13Pandora13 posted:I tell her the "Vaccination Council" is not peer-reviewed science and is thoroughly debunked, which she replies with, "I personally know Suzanne Humphries, she is a good doctor and I trust her! I'm so sick of the shrill "I'M A MOM!" justification for so much of this bullshit. Being a parents does not bequeath you with any special knowledge. If anything, it seems to cloud people's judgement with irrational fears. I thought for sure I was going into labor the other day. I wasn't. If I'd just calmed down for five minutes and focused on something other than my "symptoms," I probably would've saved myself a trip to the hospital. Hi, I'm a mom and my intuition sucks. Give me all the facts before I make a big decision, please.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Yeah, and my response is that it doesn't actually save any significant amount of money A large portion of the increased costs is that non-capital defendants have less legal options and guarantees and trials are closed faster than capital punishment individuals. This person is looking to remove those options and guarantees and just start butchering people, presumably as soon as a person enters the court house looking guilty, hence saving money.
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Power of Pecota posted:Growing up in Kansas City, the garbage people I know from grade school/high school is going to kill me today. My family does not look like the one in the fourth panel. Racially, I mean. Somehow I think that means the original author of that image would have some reservations about allowing us a gun.
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Also, are people willfully ignorant of the fact that the First Family is literally bombarded with threats every day? I think Obama's something like the most threatened President in history. Memes like that one are part of the mindset that fosters those threats. Somebody please slap this on a Willy Wonka image: Oh, so you think Obama's kids don't need protection? Got any other neat-o beliefs about the guy, perhaps some beliefs that warrant all that protection in the first place?
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:Also, are people willfully ignorant Overwhelmingly
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DarkHorse posted:It costs more to put a person on death row than it does to give them a life sentence and keep him there. "oh yeah? well im in favor of just putting a bullet in their head right then and there in the court and sending their family a bill for the bullet....." This was actually the culminating point of my High School Forensics teacher's idea called the "three strikes rule". If you commit a crime three times, we shoot you in the head and send your family the bill. That will stop all crime pretty quick. Tomahawk fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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Tomahawk posted:"oh yeah? well im in favor of just putting a bullet in their head right then and there in the court and sending their family a bill for the bullet....." This is quite literally more or less the response I get from every death penalty supporter whenever I point out costs. The fact over 120 people have been legally exonerated from death row(either while living or posthumously) holds just since the mid 1970's holds no bearing. It's basically that Tea Party guy who got caught saying "It takes ball to execute an innocent man" on a large scale.
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Amused to Death posted:This is quite literally more or less the response I get from every death penalty supporter whenever I point out costs. The fact over 120 people have been legally exonerated from death row(either while living or posthumously) holds just since the mid 1970's holds no bearing. It's basically that Tea Party guy who got caught saying "It takes ball to execute an innocent man" on a large scale. Also, it's basically the same mindset that thinks breaking and entering is punishable by death, i.e. homeowners are always justified in killing an intruder or merely a "threatening" person.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:
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Man I just got the Sandy Hook video on my FB. Thought I would dodge that poo poo. The poster put "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!" in front of it. The only replies were agreeing with the OP. I was in a lovely mood so I said, "I thought my feed was going to escape this nutjob poo poo." Now there are calls to defriend me, I guess people don't like anyone with an opposing viewpoint so I followed up with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMtYWvvnQ4 and the reddit link posted earlier: http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr the response: too many "coincidences" to new laws passed immediately, from past and present, and of course the future too. It's a pattern, and it's obvious to me. I don't even know what that means. Aeka 2.0 fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Man I just got the Sandy Hook video on my FB. Thought I would dodge that poo poo. The poster put "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!" in front of it. De-friend them first? I don't know, someone would pretty much have to be a huge pile of dogshit to actually believe that the government just rounded up and murdered 22 kids to "take are guns   !" They probably don't have anything positive to offer you in life anyway.
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13Pandora13 posted:De-friend them first? I don't know, someone would pretty much have to be a huge pile of dogshit to actually believe that the government just rounded up and murdered 22 kids to "take are guns No, they believe no kids actually died, that all the victims are fake, everything is fake. Still just as crazy, of course.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Man I just got the Sandy Hook video on my FB. Thought I would dodge that poo poo. The poster put "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!" in front of it. This video is perfect. Im sure Ill need it going forward.
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I really hope no one I know buys into the Sandy Hook false flag bullshit because I may just throttle them  Children died. First grade children were shot execution style. I hope none of the affected families are aware of this bullshit.
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This is the future. There's going to be a new brand of truther for every horrible event that gets lots of media coverage. Crackpot conspiracy theories are now mainstream.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I really hope no one I know buys into the Sandy Hook false flag bullshit because I may just throttle them There was an article about how one of the guys who helped some of the kids are getting phone calls how he is part of the cover up. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspiracy-155033813.html
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bobkatt013 posted:There was an article about how one of the guys who helped some of the kids are getting phone calls how he is part of the cover up. Sickening.
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bobkatt013 posted:There was an article about how one of the guys who helped some of the kids are getting phone calls how he is part of the cover up. I read that article earlier today and actually became physically ill. The very idea that we live in a world where heroes are chastised, harassed and become the bad guys is some sort of bizarro world. Those people calling him and claiming he is part of a cover up are legitimately mentally ill, and need a thorough psych evaluation.
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Just debated my rear end off on some friends that don't like the points that Obama made on gun control. When I pointed out each aspect of why its being included, they threw down the whole shebang of the 2nd amendment, Hitler, the poor and the rich, and I got them down to finally accepting it, but that they should have the choice of owning an assault rifle because they might need it to defend their family and property. I left it with "If you are in a situation where you need an assault rifle to defend your family and property despite having a pistol and a shotgun, then you are in a situation that needs the police, a SWAT team, or the military." THEY DON'T EVEN OWN WEAPONS.
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I really don't know if these kind of conspiracy nuts have always been around and are just having their voices magnified by the internet or if the seemingly widespread nature of these conspiracy theories is indicative of social or cultural changes in the US. The 9/11 stuff was stupid as hell but seemed relatively harmless. This Sandy hook stuff is moral repulsive on a much different level.
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Token Cracker posted:I really don't know if these kind of conspiracy nuts have always been around and are just having their voices magnified by the internet or if the seemingly widespread nature of these conspiracy theories is indicative of social or cultural changes in the US. It's arguably always been around: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/newtown_truthers_where_conspiracy_theories_come_from/ The author of that article argues the U.S. was essentially founded on a conspiracy theory, which is an interesting idea. As for the Sandy Hook stuff...it truly is nauseating. In a way, it's even worse than what actually happened, which was bad enough as it was: http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/168707/wrestling-with-details-of-noah-pozners-killing/ Why the gently caress would people make up (or worse yet, go along with) a story about a little boy being so badly mutilated that his family had to have a closed casket funeral? Are guns really that important to some people?
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:I'm so sick of the shrill "I'M A MOM!" justification for so much of this bullshit. Being a parents does not bequeath you with any special knowledge. I got into an argument with my mom last month, where I basically told her that she deliberately indulges in media like Fox News that doesn't challenge her way of thinking. She got really indignant, saying that I was disrespectful to "my elders" and not trusting of her. I asked if I'm just supposed to blindly accept anything that she says, and her response was "unless you have citable facts immediately on hand, then yes". The idea that higher age = more wisdom needs to die so loving badly.
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Ringo Star Get posted:...but yet we can't have military weapons such as rockets, machine guns, grenades... Actually we can have all of those things, they're just expensive and require a lot of paperwork. One of my biggest issues with gun talk is people will use the 2nd Amendment as magical justification for gun ownership, but are unwilling to consider the possibility that the 2nd Amendment is not longer relevant.
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:It's arguably always been around: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/newtown_truthers_where_conspiracy_theories_come_from/ I really winced at this. The idea that the King George was a jackbooted dictator and the American Revolution was a triumph of the working man to win his enlightened victory over a tyrannical regime was one that I quickly grew very tired of after reading Zinn's The People's History of the United States.
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swiss_army_chainsaw posted:I'm so sick of the shrill "I'M A MOM!" justification for so much of this bullshit. Being a parents does not bequeath you with any special knowledge. If anything, it seems to cloud people's judgement with irrational fears. I thought for sure I was going into labor the other day. I wasn't. If I'd just calmed down for five minutes and focused on something other than my "symptoms," I probably would've saved myself a trip to the hospital. Tell me about it. I had someone link this a few days ago: http://govtslaves.info/5-reasons-why-ill-never-get-a-flu-shot/ Fortunately, my multi-paragraph "that link is terrible and here is why" comment got me about as many likes as the original posting, so at least someone read it.
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I felt happy that my Facebook friends list had been basically purged of any crazy right-wingers, and haven't seen anything about Obama or gun control in many an age. That all changed tonight. A friend of mine from when I was back in the Navy mysteriously reappeared after not having posted for months.  I...I don't even know what to say to that.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I felt happy that my Facebook friends list had been basically purged of any crazy right-wingers, and haven't seen anything about Obama or gun control in many an age. Why the hell do these people always choose to "move" to countries with governments to the left of the United States? Australia, Canada, UK. It really shows how screwed up their world view is that they don't realize that this "socialist paradise" the United States is becoming is still to the right of most 1st world countries.
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I'm just dumbfounded by his response to tightening of US gun laws being to move to the UK, where gun laws are even stricter. I don't think he's talking about the EOs, because someone said something about it not passing the House/Senate. So I have no clue what they're referring to. And now at least two people have commented on his status talking about the country needing a revolution. I'm actually now kind of curious how far the crazy will go.
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Redczar posted:Why the hell do these people always choose to "move" to countries with governments to the left of the United States? Australia, Canada, UK. It really shows how screwed up their world view is that they don't realize that this "socialist paradise" the United States is becoming is still to the right of most 1st world countries. I had a friend saying that his taxes were so high, he was seriously thinking about moving to Australia. I don't think he knows or cares what taxes are like in Aussie (hint: higher!) but is just putting together the thoughts "I hate paying taxes" and "Australia is very pretty in pictures I've seen". Twelve by Pies posted:I'm just dumbfounded by his response to tightening of US gun laws being to move to the UK, where gun laws are even stricter. I don't think he's talking about the EOs, because someone said something about it not passing the House/Senate. So I have no clue what they're referring to. They probably are talking about the EOs but don't understand what they are, or what sort of powers the executive branch has. Schoolhouse Rock didn't cover the difference between legislation and EOs in the "I'm Just a Bill" song. Leospeare fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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