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KungFu Grip posted:oh gently caress me the ending song... It was either that or 99 Conkers and you didn't want that!
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HulkaMatt posted:It was either that or 99 Conkers and you didn't want that! I didn't know there were lyrics in that Disney song!
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Jan 28, 2013 08:31
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No MRP? I demand he record an "I liked it." or the opposite.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:No MRP? There was plenty of "I like it". We were going to clip it in but there's like no editing for it.
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Two notes: Branded rosters are over if you look at WWE.com While it is stupid to suggest Ziggler cash in for the wrong title, Meltzer said it was seriously considered when Cena was feuding for the briefcase. They really don't care.
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KFG, are you Mike Sempervive?
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HulkaMatt posted:THE PUNCH SPORT RUMBLE CAST Yesssssss. This pleases Draga.
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Big Dave was making good points about when to be predictable vs when to swerve, but I still wanted Punk to pass Hogan.  vvv Yes. vvv Arbite fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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That would require a few more years with the belt.
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It's a case where Dave's looking at it from the promoter's standpoint, and it's about 98% the right thing from that view. (The 2% is that Punk headlining 'Mania, even in a 3 way, helps him more than the singles match helps Cena going forward, and that while it wasn't a stip, it makes any who bought the 'Once In A Lifetime' tagline from last year feel dumb), the people who are mad are mad from a fan's point of view. As in, they would enjoy seeing Punk keep the belt more, enjoy Rock doing something else more. It's a distinction Dave has a lot of trouble recognising in these situations, because I think he has trouble realising not everyone watches wrestling the way he does, having covered it as a business for 30 years.
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Gaz-L posted:It's a case where Dave's looking at it from the promoter's standpoint, and it's about 98% the right thing from that view. (The 2% is that Punk headlining 'Mania, even in a 3 way, helps him more than the singles match helps Cena going forward, and that while it wasn't a stip, it makes any who bought the 'Once In A Lifetime' tagline from last year feel dumb), the people who are mad are mad from a fan's point of view. As in, they would enjoy seeing Punk keep the belt more, enjoy Rock doing something else more. It's a distinction Dave has a lot of trouble recognising in these situations, because I think he has trouble realising not everyone watches wrestling the way he does, having covered it as a business for 30 years. The people who are mad are almost exclusively mad in a way that is good for WWE's business, i.e. they care so deeply about the CM Punk character that seeing him lose the belt to a part-timer is traumatic. And that's very, very good for WWE because those people are not going away.
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jeffersonlives posted:The people who are mad are almost exclusively mad in a way that is good for WWE's business, i.e. they care so deeply about the CM Punk character that seeing him lose the belt to a part-timer is traumatic. And that's very, very good for WWE because those people are not going away. I'm not so sure, with the rise of pirated streams. It's easier to 'not go away' without putting money in WWE's coffers, which is the goal. Now comparatively, the numbers are minuscule compared to the number of people Rock being champ will probably persuade to buy shows, but I'm not convinced it's an unadulterated positive, just a net(huge) one.
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Gaz-L posted:I'm not so sure, with the rise of pirated streams. It's easier to 'not go away' without putting money in WWE's coffers, which is the goal. Now comparatively, the numbers are minuscule compared to the number of people Rock being champ will probably persuade to buy shows, but I'm not convinced it's an unadulterated positive, just a net(huge) one. People who have the capability and desire to pirate wrestling shows aren't going to buy the shows purely as a statement of support to Vince McMahon.
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Gaz-L posted:It's a case where Dave's looking at it from the promoter's standpoint, and it's about 98% the right thing from that view. (The 2% is that Punk headlining 'Mania, even in a 3 way, helps him more than the singles match helps Cena going forward, and that while it wasn't a stip, it makes any who bought the 'Once In A Lifetime' tagline from last year feel dumb), the people who are mad are mad from a fan's point of view. As in, they would enjoy seeing Punk keep the belt more, enjoy Rock doing something else more. It's a distinction Dave has a lot of trouble recognising in these situations, because I think he has trouble realising not everyone watches wrestling the way he does, having covered it as a business for 30 years. Fun Fact: The best thing to happen to Daniel Bryan's career was a match that made his fans furious. Edit: If anything, it seems like Bryan/Punk fans care about their guy far, far more when they're losing than when they're winning, so from a business perspective there's no reason to give them the big win. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Punk never hit the GTS on The Rock btw, but good podcast 
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"Whenever I hear people complain about things being too predictable, I... well I don't want to kill people, but..." I love Dave Meltzer
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AFter saying that, I'd like to believe he just had a 1000-yard stare and mumbled something about WCW.
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I love how determined Dave is to prove that Dallas is going to have a negative affect on Raw.
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I just had a morbid thought God forbid, Dave Meltzer passes away. Does Bryan write the obit, or does Dave have one in the vault he constantly updates himself? I'm joking about that second option... or am I?
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triplexpac posted:I just had a morbid thought I didn't even consider it was a joke until reading the second para. I'm sure that's the case. Dave's also probably got a book's worth of obit on Vince with the instruction to burn it in his will.
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Dave's obit should just be a picture of his garage.
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triplexpac posted:I just had a morbid thought Let's say Dave lives to be 150... (He won't) Does he write Bryan's obit? Does Bryan get a full obit, or one of those one paragraph deals that non-notable wrestlers get?
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Has Bryan ever speculated on Whitney living to be 150 like him?
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jeffersonlives posted:People who have the capability and desire to pirate wrestling shows aren't going to buy the shows purely as a statement of support to Vince McMahon. Alvarez' polling said the same thing.
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LividLiquid posted:While no measurements have been done on this in the wrestling world, music piracy and its relationship to willingness to buy proves this statement almost entirely false. People who pirate will, more often than not, buy a product if they feel they're getting a product worth paying for. See: New Japan, when they offered a legit way to watch shows people started to give them the cash. I'd assume most people who watch on streams and the like give back to the company through buying merch, I know I was willing to throw money at ShopTNA around Bound for Glory 2011 before they hosed up Roode's glorious ascension.
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Dave finally said it: Punk's promo at the beginning of the show how pissed off he was losing the title exposed Cena's inability to make his losses mean anything. Also, he loved Dallas.
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LividLiquid posted:While no measurements have been done on this in the wrestling world, music piracy and its relationship to willingness to buy proves this statement almost entirely false. People who pirate will, more often than not, buy a product if they feel they're getting a product worth paying for. I think there are several inherent differences here between wrestling and MP3 downloads that make this comparison inapt, including price point ($1 vs. $45+), enforcement, and physical quality of the medium. Any fan poll of this from a place like the Observer is going to have major sampling problems (since you're inherently sampling "insiders" who are willing to pay for a wrestling product) and a fairly obvious potential shy tory effect. And as always tends to get overlooked in this discussion, PPV piracy has been a "problem" for wrestling as long as there's been PPV. If the shows were as easy, reliable, and safe to pirate as to buy, the PPV wrestling business would be completely dead. Perhaps that's coming in a few years.
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jeffersonlives posted:If the shows were as easy, reliable, and safe to pirate as to buy, the PPV wrestling business would be completely dead. Perhaps that's coming in a few years. Isn't this pretty much the case now? I would say the hurdle is more people knowing how to do it and/or having the capability to run it through their television.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Isn't this pretty much the case now? I would say the hurdle is more people knowing how to do it and/or having the capability to run it through their television. Well, that's what I mean by easy. PPV, you click two buttons on your remote and you've got an unimpeachable HD presentation of the show. If it's ever anywhere close to that easy to pirate the show at that quality by the masses, the PPV business is dead.
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jeffersonlives posted:Well, that's what I mean by easy. PPV, you click two buttons on your remote and you've got an unimpeachable HD presentation of the show. If it's ever anywhere close to that easy to pirate the show at that quality by the masses, the PPV business is dead. My bad. I thought you were referring exclusively to finding it easily. But yes, I agree 100%.
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Perigryn posted:Dave finally said it: Punk's promo at the beginning of the show how pissed off he was losing the title exposed Cena's inability to make his losses mean anything. His DVR cut out half way! He's outraged!
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I am actually going to try watching this new Dallas show sometime, Dave's enthusiasm is infectious
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triplexpac posted:I am actually going to try watching this new Dallas show sometime, Dave's enthusiasm is infectious I was a gigantic fan of the original but the remake is only so-so. If you don't have the nostalgia from the original series there's about a million better shows out there.
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Arbite posted:Dave even mentions Dallas in the raw ratings preview. Yeah, in such a way that you know if he wasn't doing the podcast, he'd have watched Dallas live and DVR'ed Raw. Edit: Bryan pretty much nailed the Rock/Cena thing in the audio newsflash thing though. If you don't enjoy it, or don't want to buy Mania to see it, cool. It's still probably the right call for WWE, because the non-hardcore audience will pay to see it. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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I keep seeing you guys say Dallas in here and I assume you are talking about Bo.
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KungFu Grip posted:I keep seeing you guys say Dallas in here and I assume you are talking about Bo. Don't be crazy. No-one's talking about Bo Dallas. And I don't mean just on PSP.
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The sight of Bo Dallas does not insult me and I'm beginning to think that means there's something wrong with me.
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ChaosSmurf posted:The sight of Bo Dallas does not insult me and I'm beginning to think that means there's something wrong with me. He was the worst personality out of the eight guys they could have chosen, but sometimes you just need a smilin' babyface with a generic, whitebread "I'm doin' the right thing!" personality and a good boring moveset. There's always room for that in a company (it should be Justin Gabriel, but whatever). People are making him out to be worse than he is.
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