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Pander posted:You better believe I'm taking pitching in the drafts. My hitting isn't a problem area. [After more consideration, I would be willing to do Pappas+ (or Lolich straight up) for Ford, but I don't really expect a deal to happen. This post is really just about baseball and Mogul and whatever, because it's fun to talk about and, hey, I did all this reasearch.] Actually, if we go by the gulf between a player's ERA- and FIP-, Ford is significantly more extreme in outpitching his peripherals than Mark Buehrle. It's just that his peripherals are almost as good as Buehrle's results, so he ends up being an incredible pitcher. My concern, though, is that it's difficult to model this for Mogul, outside of giving him a good GB%. Consequently, I think he ends up looking less like the player with the career 75 ERA- and more like the player with the career 88 ERA-. On the opposite end, Mickey Lolich's 87 FIP- seems like a more accurate judge of his SL performance than his 96 ERA-. This is not to say that these two players are equally good in baseball, but rather than I think Baseball Mogul can't really handle the factors that make one underperform his peripherals by so much, and the other overperform. This is ultimately just my guess to explain the phenomenon of Whitey Ford tending to be, well, not very good. I've thus far found him on 8 teams, and he pretty much averages a mid-4's ERA. Sometimes, he's very good, like for the Air Raids in this year's SL. Sometimes he's awful, like for the SLVI Hill Valley Biffs. But overall he's just not nearly as good as he was in real life, and I think the stuff above is why.
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Pander posted:Also, Gyroball's BBM LP taught me that Mark Teahen is a bonafide inner circle HoF pick. Can I have his fictitious version of Teahen? Reviewing the week 21 results, I couldn't be more pleased. Outscored the Finger-Bangers by 26 runs and nearly swept the Unicorns. Ultimately, I suppose these in-season series are meaningless and what matters is meeting Marauder for the third straight season in DLCS and beating him again. But also this banner week should be taken as a show of power to any teams (that means you, Warm Sarsaparilla) that would attempt to usurp my team's position on top of the Vae Victis. Oh, and for the obit vote, I'm going with Rance.
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Mornacale posted:Good points As he aged, he gave up more hits, fewer walks, and got more strikeouts. In general, he did better than the league at every single facet of pitching for a dozen straight years. I agree and worry that it doesn't sound like the kind of case that a SABR-minded system will model appropriately. But hey, I gotta use ONE pitcher from the '54 Yanks, right? So I'll cross my fingers and hope the 25 y/o version hits paydirt.
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Again, Pander, if you're interested in moving Ford, take a look at the Failures roster and see who interests you. Here's a link for most of the guys years: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3499603&pagenumber=83&perpage=40#post410464590 Some of those guys have been traded since then, though.
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Pander 1. It's a re-roll each season (or Gauntlet round), so you won't know for sure until it's too late. That said, '54 Enos Slaughter was already in the part-time phase of his career, so, realistically, being a platoon bat is probably his ceiling in the Super-League, and he's probably better suited as a pinch-hitter/backup corner outfielder. Allie Reynolds was basically washed-up in real-life in 1954, so I wouldn't trust him as anything more than a long reliever. As for Konstanty, he did have one really good year, but he also never struck anyone out ever, and somehow finished his career with more walks than strikeouts, and you have him when he was 37, and struck out a grand total of 14 batters in 68.2 innings. That cannot end well. 2. No! If it were up to me, I'd erase gyroball's LP from existence, so no one could compare mine and his. So, no, you can't get Teahen, or the Pitch-o-Matic. You can have Rabbit Maranville, though. 3. BBM hasn't changed that much over the years, so most versions play about the same. 4. Basically most of the players that have been mythologized, like Bellhorn or Grace or whatever, aren't exactly the greatest building blocks for a contender. Mooseontheloose 1. It's fine, though I'm a bit leery of your offense, which I think needs at least one more bat, and the back end of your pitching rotation. 2. No. That's not right. Or, at least, I don't know that's the most important need your team has. If there's a guy like A-Rod or Honus in the draft by the time you pick, then, yeah, draft Templeton, but it doesn't make that much sense to me to draft a guy like Alan Trammell when there's a Jimmie Foxx or whatever on the board. Same thing with the 3B spot. Your pitchers seem to be able to live with Bonilla at 3B, and so I'd rather just use the pick on the best hitter you can get, unless there's a super-elite SS on the board. Besides, out of the two, Bonilla is way more suited to DHing than young Bonds, who was actually a good fielder before the...supplements. 3. Drabek you can live with. Smiley...maybe if he's your fifth starter, but Vuckovich? His star turn in Major League aside, he has a bad combination of low strikeout numbers without the sort of groundball shield that deadballers too. You'll want to replace him, and maybe Smiley if you get the chance.
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Pander posted:I really can't figure out what it is that made Ford as dominant as he was. He was for over a dozen years a fantastic and amazingly consistent starting pitcher, in the best sense of the oft-misutilized word "consistent". But yeah, I looked for half an hour and couldn't figure out WHY. His HR/9 was very good, and only partially aided by Yankee Stadium. His K/9 was good for his era, but his BB/9 wasn't too great (got better as he got older, but Lolich's K/BB rate easily beats Ford's). Yeah, definitely not claiming you shouldn't use Ford, I think he's a credible SL starter if your infield defense isn't bad, and obviously he's capable of putting up good numbers.
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mentholmoose posted:Again, Pander, if you're interested in moving Ford, take a look at the Failures roster and see who interests you. I'm definitely losing the 'best' guy in terms of pedigree, but I need a massive make-over of my sub-replacement guys to stand a chance, and I think even average starters will improve me, and a utility guy/3B will provide needed depth.
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Pander posted:Thoughts regarding Lester, Vaughn, Candelaria, and Petrocelli for Ford? (this is for everyone) If you'd do Lester and Vaughn or Candelaria for Ford, I'd OK that.
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What do you want from my team?
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If we're talking trades all of a sudden in here, I've got a shiny 2011 Cole Hamels up for sale for moderately cheap. I've built up a decent pitching staff now and I could use a moderately decent C, LF, 2B or 3B to help start building a decent hitting team to go with it. I have a couple of other guys I can offer along with Hamels, but most of the guys I'd say are on my trade block are spare pieces.
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Super-League VIII, Smasher League Week 21: Running on Empty! Games of the Week Don May posted:
Box Score Don May posted:
Box Score Det. Slaught's Last Stand : Okay, the Gumshoes have a tougher Television Title defense this time, drawing the Barons. : And THE Thornton Lee won't be able to get the job done, and the Barons take home Game 1. : And the Barons will win Game 2 to take the Television Title. : If they win Game 3, they'll get the Heavyweight Title as well! : Yeah, but they lose big, so that's not going to happen. Still, that's a good series for the Barons, who are looking to avoid the Gauntlet if they can avoid it. : Staying alive isn't exactly what an owner sets out to do, but it's not a bad outcome for a first-year team. : Barons will face the Smokers now, and, as this is a four-game series, the Smokers don't seem to have much chance of winning the Television Title here. : Probably not. : And the Barons retain without having to use a single reliever in the first two games of this series. : So, uh, that's that, then. : It is, and the Barons get another complete game win. : Hey, while we're here, I'd just like to tell kw0134 that he's a jerk and a meanie and I don't like him! : Is this because he tried to get you killed again? Yeah, the Smokers win! Good for them. Anyway 'meanie' seems a bit light for a guy trying to kill you. : Well, unlike kw0134, I don't want to go out of my way to hurt people! Because I'm a good person who deserves to live! : Eh, could be worse, you could be Adam Dunn. : Next week, it's Barons-Landers and then either Barons-W's or Landers-Arguments. If the Barons manage to keep the TV Title through end of that week, they'll have earned it. Team Statistics Analysis Keep it up and you will avoid the Gauntlet easily. Analysis Ralph Kiner is fool's gold. Analysis Looks like Castro is going to outlive this team. Analysis If a Phoenix never dies, is it really a Phoenix? Analysis Thurman Munson has just crashed a plane into your team's chances of surviving. Analysis It's not over between you and the Landers just yet. Analysis Still out there, mrnoun? Analysis The New England Teachable Moments. Analysis You'd better not cough up a six game lead in five weeks! Analysis Let's hope for a good Gauntlet run. Analysis Still getting better. I'm not sure how far they can go, but they certainly look like they might make some noise in the Gauntlet. Analysis Ouch. Analysis Kind of a downer ending, I'll admit. Analysis Well, there's always another chance to build a team for the Super-League. Analysis So...only five weeks until the playoffs, then! Analysis You...uh...ran out of starting pitchers. Standings and Leaders -Mark Grace - 2 votes -St. Mark Bellhorn - 0 votes -Eri Yoshida - 1 vote -Johnny Hopp - 0 votes -The Chosen Dunn - 6 votes -Rance Mullinix - 2 votes -El Greco Hombre - 0 votes : Now, hold on just one minute! I think this ballot might have confused you guys. You see, the person you send on the suicide mission is probably going to die. I can understand why you think that only I could save the day, but I reckon this might be a job for Rance Mullinix. He's probably pretty great at that sort of thing. So, guys... A. Send Dunn to his doom! B. No one would miss Rance!
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mentholmoose posted:In a vacuum I'd take this trade, but unfortunately I wouldn't have the depth to handle any injuries that might arise after the trade. I'm still interested in Hippo Vaughn if you want to make me an offer. I've got no use for Lester or Candy, unless you want like all of my depth guys.
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: You all would miss me and you know it. But don't worry about me. I will be fine, because I am the savior of the Universe. I'm like John Cena, you can't see me, and you sure as heck can't stop me! B!
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Rance is the right man for the job, the Chosen Dunn can just go mash some dingers for a while. I just hope my team doesn't have another terrible week next week
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Oh, no! A pitching injury! How will I ever cope with this disaster? Let's see... should I turn to Rick Langford? Or perhaps Larry Gura? There's always Denny McLain. Or I could get fancy and go with Slim Love. Nah, let's try Greg Maddux. Rotation: Martinez Clemens Sutton Maddux Richard Oh, no! A catching injury! How will I ever cope with this disaster? Wait, my backup catcher is hitting .190, and my 3rd string catcher is already hurt? But I was going to be all sarcastic and smug about my deep bench. Lineup: LF Raines 2B Collins CF DiMaggio DH Ramirez RF Aaron 3B Brett 1B Garciaparra C Bailey SS Joost While Gibson is on the DL, call up, I don't know... Eddie Yost?
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Yoshida knew the risks. I cannot be blamed for being asked to make a choice where the outcome is likely death, for she has only Smasher to blame for that narrative thread. In any event, since we're on the subject of being horrible monsters dooming people, the Chosen Dunn was chosen for a reason, dammit.
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Time to shuffle the deck chairs with a Trade The Failures give: 1919 Hippo Vaughn 2011 Kevin Youkilis The Bloggers give: 2001 Andruw Jones 1981 Jesse Orosco e: Pending Mornacale's approval, have Jones take Youkilis' spot on the roster, send down Smith and put Orosco in his SR spot. New lineup for next week: code:
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Mashers arod to dh, alou to lf, fregosi to short also biggio down and Williams up CraigK fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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mentholmoose posted:
Bloggers gonnna blog. Trade approved. I've now successfully collected 3/4 of the 1919 Cubs rotation. Pete Alexander, you're next. In actual-things-that-could-ever-happen news, the Bloggers really need one more reliever now that Orosco is gone (which is very sad). Our main area of depth is at Starter. Anybody who needs a boost in your rotation, or a little extra depth, and has a good reliever to give up, get at me.
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Also, mrnoun, I have a young-as-hell Ted Simmons that could help your team out. Same current overall rating as Bailey, but a 97 POT rating! If you're willing to trade Tom Henke, I could add in Mitch Meluskey! You'll be overrun with mediocre catching!
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Mornacale posted:In actual-things-that-could-ever-happen news, the Bloggers really need one more reliever now that Orosco is gone (which is very sad). Our main area of depth is at Starter. Anybody who needs a boost in your rotation, or a little extra depth, and has a good reliever to give up, get at me. Relievers! Sure, we got those. Can I interest you in the Lord of the LOOGYs, the Sinister Submariner, Mike Myers? Or perhaps the lyrically named Shiggy Hasegawa? World Series Champion Ryan Franklin? All of 2004 vintage. I suppose I can offer Dyar Miller ('76) or a huge pile of dudes from the 2012 Rockies, including Jamie Moyer! These dudes are available to all, of course, not just those Bloggahs.
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CraigK posted:Also, mrnoun, I have a young-as-hell Ted Simmons that could help your team out. Same current overall rating as Bailey, but a 97 POT rating! If you're willing to trade Tom Henke, I could add in Mitch Meluskey! You'll be overrun with mediocre catching! Well, I do love me some Ted Simmons, but not at that price, and not with a 5th string catcher thrown in. I'll have my starting catcher back in less than two weeks, so Simmons would be purely a backup, and I don't think it's in my best interests to trade anyone I'm actually using for a bench piece. Sorry!
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NotThatSamBeckett posted:Spare pieces from 2012 Rockies Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal! Proposal for you, wherein I trade a starter for a reliever along with two pieces from your feeder team: Trade: 2011 Cole Hamels SP for 2012 Rex Brothers RP 2012 Dexter Fowler OF 2012 Johnny 'Better than Topher Rigney defensively' Herrera UT UZworm fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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mrnoun posted:Well, I do love me some Ted Simmons, but not at that price, and not with a 5th string catcher thrown in. I'll have my starting catcher back in less than two weeks, so Simmons would be purely a backup, and I don't think it's in my best interests to trade anyone I'm actually using for a bench piece. Sorry! Fair enough. The drop from "Henke/Rivera" to "your other relievers" is too steep, otherwise I'd ask for less.
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UZworm posted:Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal! I am fine with this, though Rex has been pitching pretty awesomely for me. I believe he is currently my closer, but that's fine, as I have Denny Rainwater! he's so dreamy waiting in the wings. I will ask though, are you sure you want Herrera? Last I checked, Scooter was hitting stupidly well for Marauder's Phoenixes. Either way works for me, and thanks. Plenty more relievers (and other stuff) still available. Bret Boone, the year after he hit 35 dingers and won the Gold Glove at second! Though he won it that year, too. Whatever. Uh, Raul Ibanez? Todd Zeile?
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UZWorm, you sure you want to make that trade?
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NotThatSamBeckett posted:
I mean, I was going to throw Scutero in there as well but I didn't know if you had a limit on how many players I could grab or if you wanted Hamels enough to let me add a guy like Boone on. How much do you value Hamels? I mean, ideally I'd like to get all five of those guys but I doubt you'd accept that. (Or, you know, better guys than that.) Also, Smasher, you've known me how long? UZworm fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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NotThatSamBeckett posted:Relievers! Sure, we got those. Can I interest you in the Lord of the LOOGYs, the Sinister Submariner, Mike Myers? Or perhaps the lyrically named Shiggy Hasegawa? World Series Champion Ryan Franklin? All of 2004 vintage. I suppose I can offer Dyar Miller ('76) or a huge pile of dudes from the 2012 Rockies, including Jamie Moyer! All these players are poop and poo poo, though. There's plenty of guys on your feeders I'm interested in, but you're tanking so you knew that. If you want to let me know what your actual roster looks like, I can make you an offer. fake e: Oh god, UZWorm, please play Jonathan Herrera, please please please, I want to pass you in the standings.
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In This Thread: People implying that Vinny Castilla is a better third baseman than Johnny Herrera.
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Mornacale posted:All these players are poop and poo poo, though. There's plenty of guys on your feeders I'm interested in, but you're tanking so you knew that. If you want to let me know what your actual roster looks like, I can make you an offer. quote:Totally Irrelevant List of Pitchers: It will include those guys and Homer Smoot. Everyone else not on my current roster is for sale, and some who are! (not the best ones, obv) The feeders include some young arms on the Orioles and doubtless other nice things as well. UZworm, I'll throw in Boone, maybe it'll patch your 2B hole.
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All right, slight change to tact here: Proposal Spooners trade: 2011 Cole Hamels PMs trade: 2012 Rex Brothers 2012 Marco Scutero 2004 Bret Boone 2012 Matt Belisle UZworm fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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UZworm posted:All right, slight change to tact here: That's a bad trade, man. One good pitcher for a bunch of borderline players, none of whom are starter quality in the super league. Don't trade a dollar for four quarters.
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tatankatonk posted:That's a bad trade, man. One good pitcher for a bunch of borderline players, none of whom are starter quality in the super league. Don't trade a dollar for four quarters. I don't really need Hamels, I need to turn my 'so lovely it hurts' bench into a 'well it sucks, but my eyes are bleeding slightly less' bench, and I have literally no trade pieces other than Hamels unless someone is really interested in Hooks Dauss or Andres Galarraga, so there's really no other types of trades I can make. My own fault since I used lovely feeder teams with no depth in them, I suppose. Double Edit: Changed the trade above with one Feeder reliever to another Feeder reliever that I was going to include in the first place but didn't because I'm dumb. UZworm fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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NotThatSamBeckett posted:It will include those guys and Homer Smoot. Everyone else not on my current roster is for sale, and some who are! (not the best ones, obv) The feeders include some young arms on the Orioles and doubtless other nice things as well. I'm interested in '97 Scott Radinsky, plus I guess '76 Grant Jackson/'04 Putz/'12 Belisle. Make me an offer for some of those guys. Or multiple offers. Or whatever. ----- By the way, Pander, if it's really Old Slaughter holding up the deal, what if we replace him with Clyde Shoun and Howie Krist? I don't want to commit to anything, because honestly these guys are all probably unplayable and I want to see what Sam Beckett will offer, but I'm just tossing it out there to discuss.
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I'd also be OK with it if someone would just offer one really good left fielder in exchange for Hamels.
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UZworm posted:I'd also be OK with it if someone would just offer one really good left fielder in exchange for Hamels. What year on galrraga?
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UZworm posted:If we're talking trades all of a sudden in here, I've got a shiny 2011 Cole Hamels up for sale for moderately cheap. I've built up a decent pitching staff now and I could use a moderately decent C, LF, 2B or 3B to help start building a decent hitting team to go with it. I can give you Roseboro and Kirk Gibson for Hamels. Move The Chosen Dunn to LF, have The Saint take over 1B for a week. Also, let the record state I voted Rance in originally anyway, so B!
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