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Ahahaha, am I seeing it right? Is that a rack full of suits like the fatcats always wear? The blue pinstripe?
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Fluo posted:Daily Express: quote:Cameron extends lead over EdM to 10% in YouGov’s best PM rating. He’s 33, EdM 23(-2), Clegg 7 (+2) All the Express cartoons are fantastically lovely though. They aren't even funny and don't seem to make any attempt to be so.
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# ? Jan 28, 2013 14:47 |
Junior G-man posted:Ahahaha, am I seeing it right? Is that a rack full of suits like the fatcats always wear? The blue pinstripe? Ahahaha yeah, I missed that aswell! Zephro posted:I think those are the ratigns for the parties as a whole. The personal popularity of the leaders is: Yeah true, ah gently caress missed the personal YouGov poll, was hunting around but couldn't seem to come across a personal one rather then just the Tories. Still hate the cartoon as it says "It's because he sounds like a true tory leader", which I'm pretty sure if they're talking about what the tories class as the last 'true tory leader' being Thatcher, he wanted us in the EU. Unless he just means sounds like a true leader to tory voters, which I guess he might be since Cameron use to be in PR. Fluo fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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Are those meant to be missing marbles all over the floor or is it a better joke than that?
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# ? Jan 28, 2013 14:54 |
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Broken abacuses.
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goatface posted:Broken abacuses.
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# ? Jan 28, 2013 15:03 |
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I think it's ol' Roop looking through the window on the right. Anyone know what the dead goldfish(?) is in the bottom right corner behind the chair?
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Nigel Farage has an ugly mug ready primed for cartoons.Fluo posted:I love the ACME Sloth Gym! I'm going to crop that for my YLLS thread. A Sloth fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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Hockney - A bigger splash.
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All the cartoons seem related to the highspeed rail. HS2: High-speed rail route phase two details announced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21221828 Guardian: The government says the first major railway line to be built north of London since Victorian times will create 100,000 jobs. Telegraph: Daily Mail: quote:“One good thing. You don’t have to drive to the station any more.” Daily Express: Fluo fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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What does everyone make of the Gerald Scarfe cartoon that has caused a stir today? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21239917 This article has the cartoon, although it missing the caption: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4338264,00.html
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# ? Jan 29, 2013 08:03 |
GTO posted:What does everyone make of the Gerald Scarfe cartoon that has caused a stir today? Its a good cartoon. They complain about cartoons against right wing Israelis a lot but Murdoch is just default pro israel on any issue and I guess he is in a lot of poo poo already (Leveson) he is trying to keep some allies. This group is one of the ones which complain all the time about them. They complained about this cartoon by Steve Bell. quote:Bell's cartoons often feature grotesque characters, and have sometimes caused controversy. During the November 2012 Israel/Gaza conflict The Guardian published Bell's cartoon showing the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, as a puppet master controlling William Hague and Tony Blair. It was asserted by Dave Rich blogging for the Community Security Trust that the illustration was comparable to those featured in Nazi and other anti-semitic publications. While Bell defended his cartoon, 29 complaints had been received by the UK's Press Complaints Commission a week after the cartoon's publication. The newspaper's readers' editor Chris Elliott concluded in an article on 25 November: "While journalists and cartoonists should be free to express an opinion that Netanyahu is opportunistic and manipulative, in my view they should not use the language – including the visual language – of antisemitic stereotypes." Editor's article. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/25/accusations-of-antisemitism-political-cartoon quote:The readers' editor on… accusations of antisemitism against a political cartoon The Supreme Court (the goon user) posted:The whole charade was completely ridiculous. A lot of the comments were complaining that Steve Bell had drawn an anti-semitic cartoon because, aside from the puppets, there was deliberate over-use of the Star of David and under-use of the Menorah, i.e. criticising Bibi for being Jewish rather than Israeli. However with the Scarfe one I understand a bit with the timing as it was on the Holocaust Memorial Day but I'm thinking thats a bit of a grey area. If it was posted any other week it wouldn't have made the news about the complaints. Fluo fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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The BBC covered both this and the scandal of the MP (regrettably) referring to 'the Jews' as he criticised Israel. Neither explored anything to do with actual apartheid and persecution against the Palestinians. The latter only deigned to point out that the MP stood by his criticism of Israeli crimes late in the day. Both of these things just blindly report that something 'unfortunate' has happened, a bunch of people apologising and getting outraged, but don't at all explore why Gerald Scarfe or that MP wanted to criticise Israel.
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Fluo posted:I love the ACME Sloth Gym! Not to mention the floor littered with broken abacuses and the hall-of-mirrors mirror emblazened with BEHOLD THE STATESMAN. Epic.
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Fluo posted:Daily Express:
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Fluo posted:Guardian: Cameron's tip coming out of his hat is perfectly disturbing.
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Fluo posted:Telegraph: Heh, Osborne's face in this is great. Cartoonists seem to be very good at capturing his vileness in general. And the Scarfe thing is a case of unfortunate timing but unless you're one of those people who thinks criticism of Israel is inherently anti-Semitic there's nothing to discuss really.
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BastardySkull posted:The BBC covered both this and the scandal of the MP (regrettably) referring to 'the Jews' as he criticised Israel. Neither explored anything to do with actual apartheid and persecution against the Palestinians. The latter only deigned to point out that the MP stood by his criticism of Israeli crimes late in the day. What really pisses me off is the double standard. After the massacre in Norway, it was very common to see the right openly say things like 'obviously we condemn the murders but nonetheless it raises important questions about multiculturalism blah blah blah.' Whereas re: Israel even something like this swallows criticisms beneath vague 'controversy.' Imagine the shitfest if a leftist said, after a successful terrorist attack, 'nonetheless it raises important questions about Israel's policy.'
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HCO Plumer GCB GCM posted:Not to mention the floor littered with broken abacuses and the hall-of-mirrors mirror emblazened with BEHOLD THE STATESMAN. Nick Clegg has made his bed as well.
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Fluo posted:Telegraph: I have to say that this is the first Telegraph cartoon that I can ever remember laughing at. And is that a little tip I spot on top of Cameron's head?
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Fluo posted:Guardian:
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Presto posted:As an American I'm not sure I understand the message here, but that last panel is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a political cartoon. "POOP! POOP!" "PARP! PARP" In the interests of cultural awareness and brotherly sharing, I should like to point out to you (in case you didn't already catch it), that this is a reference to The Wind in The Willows, in which a character called Toad (a toad) - represented naturally by Nigel Farage (another toad) in this cartoon, falls in love with the idea of owning a "motor car" after almost being run down by one. It's worth a read if you've never bothered.
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Zephro posted:Could you stop posting these? I can't stop myself looking, and every time I do I'm staring into some kind of mediocrity singularity. I could literally draw better cartoons than these. Are you willing to on that?
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# ? Jan 29, 2013 22:18 |
drat it, did quite a big write up of the Newsnight part today which was talking about the Scarfe cartoon and others which are critical of Israel but then my phone crashed. Which I was writing when listening / writing, so this is about 40minutes after seeing it and having to use memory after a long day. Disclaimer: I must have missed some stuff out which I know I have from the write up I lost and I am not trying to be misleading if I missed a point said by any of the interview. Just can't rewatch it yet since its not up on iplayer yet or youtube. Came in after watching a football match and turned the TV on, didn't plan on seeing the interview as I didn't know it was going to be on. I was going to delete it and wait for it to come up on iplayer / youtube but the effort I thought I'll just leave it. I know I have forgotten somethings they've talked about but can't think of what it is, tried to cover as much as I could remember. Anyway tonight on Newsnight they had 2 Jews on (and then after they talked they did a 1 to 1 with the Israel ambassador to Britain, Daniel Taub). One from the British Cartoon Archive, Tim Benton. The other was a Journalist for The Times and The Spectator, Hugo Rifkind. Both agreed the Scarfe cartoon was not anti-semitic. They also touched on Dan Brown's cartoon from 10 years ago or so about baby eating and also talked about the one with Steve Bell. With the Steve Bell one Hugo Rifkind said it was anti-semitic because of the over use of the star of David (which Kirsty Wark pointed out was based on a real photo with a lot of Israeli flags behind him but Steve Bell drew them as missiles) but then they talked about the whole puppet master idea. They both touched on blood libel and how because of the history it is really hard to do a cartoon of anything to do with Israel without outcries from some Jews. Then was the 1 to 1 with Daniel Taub, which was painful to watch as he was pretty much saying (or how it came across to me) any criticism of Israel in a political cartoon isn't anti-semitic but at the same time is wrong and shouldn't have been published as it was offensive because of the history and talked about images of Jews holding knifes covered in blood. I am finding it quite upsetting a lot of the time Daniel Taub is on TV he is calling someone anti-semitic and when not he is outraged at criticism of Israel (in recent times he has stopped default calling stuff anti-semitism but still hints at it), which devalues the term and when there is real anti-semitism its like the boy who cried wolf, like with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denying the holocaust and saying kill all the Jews. All in all from what I remember I agreed with Tim Benton. Newsnight tweet after the interview. https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/296391269519876096 quote:Gerald Scarfe's cartoon clearly echoes images that were used to vilify jews says Daniel Taub, Israeli Ambassador to the UK on #newsnight Already its got some good replies like from Barry Sheerman MP (Labour). https://twitter.com/BSheermanMP/status/296393981833658369 quote:@BBCNewsnight I have to say I trust Gerald Scarfe more than his critics normally @BBCLookNorth and Baroness Hussein-Ece (Lib-Dem). https://twitter.com/meralhece/status/296391103358320640 quote:So #Newsnight - not a single Palestinian spokesperson. But ok, cause according to Hugo Rifkind 'only 172 Palestinians killed in last year' I'll check in the morning and if I find the video of this Newsnight I'll post it if someone else hasn't already found it. For UK goons the whole Newsnight will be up on iplayer in an hour or so, its after the Mali part but before the part about plastic in the oceans and the effects of it on animals. Martin Rowson did an article today on it aswell. I've tried to bold parts of it but I ended up bolding 90% of the article, just read the whole thing. It's interesting. http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013/jan/29/scarfe-netanyahu-cartoon-offensive-hurrah quote:Scarfe's Netanyahu cartoon was offensive? That's the point https://twitter.com/MartinRowson/status/296351014238449664 quote:Incidentally, if you've found various things I've written about #Scarfegate, please bear in mind I'm not a fan -& doubt he'd support me much When it is up on iplayer it should be this link. quote:How long will British troops be in Mali? The cartoon that is either anti-semitic or anti-Netanyahu. Plus new childcare benefits, plastic pollution and award-winning novelist Hilary Mantel. Guardian: Telegraph: Daily Mail: quote:Ex soldiers working for Councils in the UK are handing out £80 0n the spot fines to people who drop litter. quote:“Think hard, George. When you put the cat out did you drop a toffee wrapper?” I had to google this as it sounds like something that'd only be on the Daily Mail website. Fluo fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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The most shameful part is where you've clicked on the link.
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mfcrocker posted:The most shameful part is where you've clicked on the link. I agree wholeheartedly. Was going to post the article to say people getting clicks then decided not to post it at all. Edit: I've just finished rewatched the Newsnight part and I it seems I missed quite a part. The Israel ambassador to Britain talked about the Wall being offensive and saying about how they didn't want it built. Israel Ambassador to Britain posted:Why I say the antisemitism question isn't really the relevant question is because the real question is this acceptable and fair comment?" ______________________ Indy: Fluo fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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Bell is magical.Fluo posted:Telegraph: This is not a good cartoon, it's lazy and weak, but Clegg made me laugh. And even the Torygraph has been taking a line against the Coalition these last couple of days, and not from an obvious 'they aren't right-wing enough' perspective. Is this normal?
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Yeah, it's not the best joke but Clegg got an actual laugh out of me which is generally more than even the cartoons I agree with can accomplish. And I think the Torygraph have backed the Conservatives in every election ever, even back in 2001 when literally no over paper did. So if they're starting to snipe at the party it's not a great sign, although I imagine they'll get back in line when it comes to election season.
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Peel posted:Bell is magical. The Torygraph will still support the government if it comes down to a crunch but they represent the majority of the party who don't really like Cameron or the coalition and would much rather the government be run by someone else, like that nice chap BoJo what what. It's just your standard British carping. Remember a lot of tories are still very bitter with Cameron because they were unable to win a majority in an election against Gordon Brown (which is a fair complaint I suppose)
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I don't understand the Mail at all. Surely littering is the remit of hoodies and yobs, this is raising money for underfunded councils without raising taxes, and providing employment to WAR HEROES rather than darkies and immigrants. How can they possibly oppose it?
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big scary monsters posted:I don't understand the Mail at all. Surely littering is the remit of hoodies and yobs, this is raising money for underfunded councils without raising taxes, and providing employment to WAR HEROES rather than darkies and immigrants. How can they possibly oppose it? Because FREEDOM for middle class people to litter, or something.
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Peel posted:And even the Torygraph has been taking a line against the Coalition these last couple of days, and not from an obvious 'they aren't right-wing enough' perspective. Is this normal? General speaking the Telegraph's editorial line is overwhelmingly, 'they're not right-wing enough, and they're incompetent idiots'. They do have a few commentators who argue that "modernisation" of the Tory party is the way forward, but overwhelmingly their criticisms of the Government are from the right. The cartoons are slightly more ambiguous in terms of the criticisms they're making, because a lot of them play on the idea that Cameron and co. are incompetent and out of touch, which is a criticism that can come from the left or the right. The cartoonist sometimes does hint at criticising Cameron from the left, but other times it's coming from the right. Basically, I don't think there are any strong reasons to suggest that the Telegraph is turning against the Coalition in "a good way". edit: I can claim some expertise in this because I'm living at home at the moment and my parents get the Telegraph everyday...and I do look at it because it's depressing/compelling. Whitefish fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jan 30, 2013 |
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Supeerme posted:Are you willing to on that?
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Fluo posted:About antisemitism I think it all boils down to making the distinction between 'the Jews' and 'the Israeli state' or 'Israeli politicians'. The former is a generalisation that seems antisemitic regardless of the author's intention, and the latter are fair game for political comment.
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Todays If ...
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big scary monsters posted:I don't understand the Mail at all. Surely littering is the remit of hoodies and yobs, this is raising money for underfunded councils without raising taxes, and providing employment to WAR HEROES rather than darkies and immigrants. How can they possibly oppose it? There's been a thing where the uniforms worn by the on-the-spot finers in some areas are not readily distinguishable from police uniform. This has led to enterprising thieves strolling off with the uniforms and doing a bit of impromptu fining of their own while pretending to be coppers.
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GTO posted:I think it all boils down to making the distinction between 'the Jews' and 'the Israeli state' or 'Israeli politicians'. The former is a generalisation that seems antisemitic regardless of the author's intention, and the latter are fair game for political comment. Spot on. However it does get a bit confusing since the Israeli flag has the star of David on it however that tends to be a case by case basic. Like the characters in all the cartoons they were talking about weren't 'stereotype anti-semitic view of jews', they were drawings of a single person which didn't have the big nazi style jewish nose or the bag of gold around their neck etc. You pretty much summed it up easier then I ever could and somehow even quoting you I hosed it up. It's such a hard issue I personally fine to put in words. Edit: Came across my worst typo, "spit" was meant to be "spot". Fluo fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Christ I really want some of the If... collections.
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Fluo posted:Spit on. However it does get a bit confusing since the Israeli flag has the star of David on it however that tends to be a case by case basic. Like the characters in all the cartoons they were talking about weren't 'stereotype anti-semitic view of jews', they were drawings of a single person which didn't have the big nazi style jewish nose or the bag of gold around their neck etc. I think the problem comes in because the usual accusations of antisemitism absolutely do not take the form of 'such-and-such is being attacked as a Jew because of the overemphasis on Jewish imagery' -- which as you rightly point out is frustrated by Israel covering everything in Jewish imagery -- but because one of (1). characters are grotesque (just like antisemitic caricatures!), (2). characters are depicted as powerful/influential (just like antisemitic conspiracy theories!) and/or (3). characters are depicted in violent situations (just like Dolchstoss/blood libel!). While I think there absolutely have been antisemitic cartoons, if you buy the line -- and I claim it's loving obvious -- that Israel is regularly defended with dishonest accusations of antisemitism it's hard to see how making any cartoon critical of Israel likely wouldn't violate at least one of these enough to semi-plausibly kick up a stink. As far as I'm aware, (1) and (3) were basically the accusations brought against Scarfe: Netanyahu was depicted as grotesque (antisemitic caricature!) and Netanyahu was depicted doing something with blood/bodyparts (blood libel!). Also, there's something obscene about Rupert "Jew owned press" Murdoch apologising for antisemitism.
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I'm not seeing the funny side.
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