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AlternateAccount posted:Ugh, every time I see Chris Pine on screen all I can think of is how much I'd rather see Bruce Greenwood's character headlining this. That makes two of us. Badass Captain Pike deserves more, dammit.
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McSpanky posted:That makes two of us. Badass Captain Pike deserves more, dammit. BEEP
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It didn't make sense to my why the Enterprise would be dropping instead of gliding but then I remembered that all of the vats of mash and hops in Engineering would make it much less aerodynamic in an atmosphere.
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Cheesus posted:It didn't make sense to my why the Enterprise would be dropping instead of gliding Also, you know, those shots seem to show it starting from above the atmosphere, where there is no air to make gliding a thing? Once it hit the atmosphere at that trajectory, it would probably be more likely to start flipping and spiraling rather than any sort of gliding. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Feb 4, 2013 |
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thexerox123 posted:Also, you know, those shots seem to show it starting from above the atmosphere, where there is no air to make gliding a thing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkCpnGMyGw
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I hope this means that Spock is going to be in a fatsuit for the first half of the movie.
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bobkatt013 posted:BEEP Haha, well done. I mean you're Captain Pike, sure you got injured but why didn't he ever go, "Nice job, freshly graduated Ensign Kirk. I am sure you'll have a bright future ahead of you someday, you've validated my confidence in you. I'd like my ship back now, please, report to the onboard brewery for duty."
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Star Fleet has a very strict no take backs policy on acting field promotions. Once you give someone a ship, it's theirs until they screw up and accidentally let someone else have it. Just ask former acting captain Spock.
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Jesus you guys read the Starfleet field manual once in your lives. Section 47 clearly states "If you save the loving Earth from imminent destruction you can have whatever loving ship you want. Least we can do."
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The Starfleet bureaucracy is so immense and incestuous, a brevet rank could take three decades to be formally approved at the fleet headquarters. So you may as well just let that dude be Captain until he fucks up, he's still technically an Ensign after all and you can smack him down with it later. Legend tells of an old Constitution-refit in active service during the Dominion War with the old burgundy jackets, the office console on Earth with their decommission information having exploded after a tragic incident, the orders to stand down never sent. Yet every other department reads the USS Dutchman as retired. But they're out there. Boldly going. Forever.
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You forget that Star Fleet is an organization that made Janeway admiral. Nothing makes sense there.
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bobkatt013 posted:You forget that Star Fleet is an organization that made Janeway admiral. Nothing makes sense there. Well, presumably since Captain Janeway filed a report saying she'd encountered Admiral Janeway from the future they decided it would be best to just stick her behind a desk and hope she'd do less damage than the temporal paradox if they didn't.
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Umbra Dubium posted:Well, presumably since Captain Janeway filed a report saying she'd encountered Admiral Janeway from the future they decided it would be best to just stick her behind a desk and hope she'd do less damage than the temporal paradox if they didn't. She would be an unstable element in a critical situation.
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Janeway may have been reckless and erratic for an Admiral position, but at least she wasn't infested by evil space parasites.
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Lord Krangdar posted:Janeway may have been reckless and erratic for an Admiral position, but at least she wasn't infested by evil space parasites. I would have love to see Picard and Riker cause Janeways head to blow up.
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bobkatt013 posted:You forget that Star Fleet is an organization that made Janeway admiral. Nothing makes sense there.
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It's pretty obvious what happened. Future Spock basically told them "Give this guy the ship. No, seriously, trust me on this one. I'm from the FUTURE!" and Starfleet was like who the gently caress are we to say no? This guy pretty much knows all the major poo poo that's going to go down for the next hundred years. So they promote Pike to Admiral to stop him from becoming an invalid down the line and throw the keys to Kirk because what else are you gonna do? You just lost about a third of your fleet and most of your incoming command-level Academy graduates with it. He as his rag-tag team of young guns saved the planet, why mess with the magic?
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Ash1138 posted:Well all the good captains want to keep being captain and apparently they can keep being captain if they want. So that only leaves the lovely captains to be promoted to admiral. Think of all the times that Starfleet made terrible decisions: it was almost always an admiral's fault. This makes a distressing amount of sense.
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Yeah, I think the only decent Admiral who showed up in more than one episode was Ross.
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ComposerGuy posted:Future Spock basically told them "Give this guy the ship. No, seriously, trust me on this one. I'm from the FUTURE!" and Starfleet was like who the gently caress are we to say no? This guy pretty much knows all the major poo poo that's going to go down for the next hundred years. I never really considered this angle, but it makes all sorts of sense. The Dark One posted:Yeah, I think the only decent Admiral who showed up in more than one episode was Ross. Yeah, Ross was a great character and the only admiral we ever get to see that is worth a drat.
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And even he worked with Section 31. But overall he was the most competent/least corrupt by a wide margin. I guess Admiral Forrest from Enterprise wasn't that terrible either, now that I think about it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:And even he worked with Section 31. But overall he was the most competent/least corrupt by a wide margin. Admiral Kirk 
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bobkatt013 posted:Admiral Kirk
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Payndz posted:"ADMIRAL Kirk?!? Admiral Kirk..." This goes through my head every time I see the words "Admiral Kirk" too.
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Kirk was an Admiral in the sense that an Elephant Seal is an Elephant. He had the title, but no one really thought of him as an Admiral.
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I love the notion that an elephant seal is a regular seal that has earned a title.
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Kirk wasn't corrupt enough to be an Admiral, so they knocked him back to Captain.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Kirk wasn't corrupt enough to be an Admiral, so they knocked him back to Captain. He knocked himself back to captain by going awol.
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I've never thought about it before, but Starfleet really did have a horrible command staff. How did they not lose the Dominion war?
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sbaldrick posted:I've never thought about it before, but Starfleet really did have a horrible command staff. How did they not lose the Dominion war? The Sisko
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bobkatt013 posted:The Sisko To be fair that was kind of cheating.
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sbaldrick posted:I've never thought about it before, but Starfleet really did have a horrible command staff. How did they not lose the Dominion war?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well we never saw much of what Picard and Co. were doing during that time, did we? Yes we did. It was called Insurrection
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In most militaries you find in periods of peace the command staff is mostly made up of people who are good at politics rather than having any skill at command and tend to get replaced rather quickly when hostilities break out. It is probably a coincidence / result of narrative requirements but it is interesting the only Admiral who seemed competent came to the fore during a major conflict. As for Janeway though I always assumed she was promoted away from command of a ship to behind a desk where she'd be much less dangerous and given ego stroking but largely empty authority.
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I don't get which of the two threads to choose for what discussions now. This thread is currently discussing Voyager, the TV/IV thread's Nemesis ... Does anybody else also find that the TOS movies seem a lot more real than the TNG movies, JJTrek or any of the series? They seem so ... believable. It starts with TMP having a certain 2001 vibe throughout (and I'm talking about the subtle details on the D7 cruiser and how real Starfleet headquarters at San Fran seem, not about the trippy alien), and if you look at Undiscovered Country, the whole thing, it's just so very ... grounded. The first scene looks as if you can touch the bridge. Every other Trek suffers from comparatively lacking special effects and/or cartoon space monsters. v works with me, I guess. Only, my own question was, without me noticing, about both the movies and the series ... At least we can keep Star Wars talk out of here 
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This thread is for the JJ Abrams movies and I guess the other ones, too. The other thread is for TV talk.
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Hilarion posted:Why does everyone hate Janeway so much? I actually really like Janeway, mainly due to Kate Mulgrew, but she is definitely more erratic and prone to wildly bizarre decisions than the other main captains. Part of that is because the writers disagreed with the actress on what direction to take the character. More on topic: Did they ever consider doing a DS9 or Voyager film? Or a Star Trek film not tied to one of the television series? Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Lord Krangdar posted:I actually realy like Janeway, mainly due to Kate Mulgrew, but she is definitely more erratic and prone to wildly bizarre decisions than the other main captains. Part of that is because the writers disagreed with the actress on what direction to take the character. I can't honestly recall anyone suggesting DS9, VOY, or ENT films. None of those shows were as popular as TNG, and TNG films were made until ENT's run, so it probably wasn't necessary.
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Cingulate posted:The first scene looks as if you can touch the bridge. Is it lighting? I think maybe the later movies suffer more from 'movie lighting' and less trying to replicate the look of something functional. I think you've hit on something though.
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