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Rixaxun posted:This doesn't seem to have shown up, could you try resending it please? Sent it again. Apparently Bold Robot changed you email address when he quoted you, so some random other person may have gotten the code, too.
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Golden_Zucchini posted:Sent it again. Apparently Bold Robot changed you email address when he quoted you, so some random other person may have gotten the code, too. Yeah, I changed the email address in my quote in case he wanted to edit it out later.
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I didn't see this posted, but I have bad eyes http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/05/hands-on-march-of-the-eagles/#more-141422quote:These ‘ideas’ act almost exactly like technology in other games, but with a clever twist – losing a large battle provides more idea points than winning one. Loss is a learning experience. The Chad Jihad fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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RentACop posted:I didn't see this posted, but I have bad eyes http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/05/hands-on-march-of-the-eagles/#more-141422 That's pretty cool, hope they can balance it a bit, though, so losing doesn't become the best way to win. From the same link, I just now noticed:  It's kinda blurry since RPS decided to use a really small screenshot but goddamn, leader portraits are in the game! Hopefully those make their way into EUIV as well. I'm a sucker for pointless little details like that. edit:  WOAH BIGGER NEWS, release date for March of the Eagles finally confirmed: 02/18/2013. Less than two weeks! drat, I'm excited 
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quote:This leads to mayhem and mirth. France begins the game with land dominance and Napoleon’s Grand Armee poised to assault England, but because of its position of power, le petit caporal’s country is unlikely to win many friends. But, hey, England is the dominant naval power, needing only to grab Gibraltar and a few coastal territories to entrench its rule of the waves, so perhaps it’s best to let the two bleed each other dry. Wait, Britain doesn't start with Gibraltar?
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Given this:RPS posted:The problem was this: March of the Eagles looks like a Paradox grand strategy game, it has been designed by the folks who make Paradox grand strategy games, but it’s a wargame. There are many choices to be made, some of which seem political or progressive, but they all serve one purpose – the recruitment of men (and horses), the picking of fights and the execution of large scale strategic manoeuvres. and the fact that I have a distaste for multiplayer, I think MoE will, like Sengoku, be one of the very rare Paradox games I skip entirely. I'd rather see something like Victoria, but spanning 1750 - 1901 or something like that. Skipping WW1, and focusing in instead on an opening game of colonial rebellions, dynamic rebellions for liberty in Europe, and a such. Then Hearts of Iron would be 1901 - 2001 and span the fall of the Victorian world, the rise of communism and fascism and a dynamic Cold War. /if I made Paradox games. Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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quote:Do the playable pagans include the Aztecs from Sunset Invasion? I really hope someone posts a Day 1 screenshot on the Paradox forums with a player run Aztecs as the Emperor of the HRE. Or Emperor of Byzantine. And then link the thread here, because I want to see the complaining.
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quote:But they’re[Zoroastrians] not getting any specific, new mechanics.  I'm personally far more interested in Zoroastrian than Norse pagans so it kinda sucks to hear they're low on the list. I know that there were no Zoroastrian Conquests or anything monumental like that but I'm hoping for some fun events and religion mechanics to make it interesting. Also,quote:I mean, you’ve got the Khazars out on the steppes, which I’ve read were actually Jews, essentially. But we decided not to add another religion again, because then we get sucked into giving them cool mechanics. And we felt, we’ll just make them pagan—Tengri pagan  t drat it, the coolest thing about 876 was the Jewish Horde.Overall I'm still really positive about this DLC and would preorder it at the first chance. I'm just a bit upset my favourite pagans are getting the least love and Tengri Khazars  .
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Riso posted:The Fatherland one by chance? Probably, although I'll confess that every time that guy talks, my brain goes into idle, because he is the most  non-sperg I know.
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Nine of Eight posted:Probably, although I'll confess that every time that guy talks, my brain goes into idle, because he is the most A "Fatherland" mod at least has the decency to be based on a novel that features a cold war between the United States (Which defeated Japan and is propping up what's left of the Soviet Union) and Nazi-occupied Europe, rather then someone going all Philip K. Dick on their own.
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King seemed to not really know everything he was talking about. There was a lot of I-think-sos and maybes, with a healthy dose of "You'd have to ask this other guy." From the announcement and dev posts on the forum, it sounded like they were wanting to do some cool stuff with Zoroastrians. Maybe that will only turn out to be a couple events. Or maybe King is way too poorly informed to make for a good interview subject. It's probably a little bit of both.
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The Khazars, by 867 had a Jewish Khagan, a partially-Judaized partially-Tengriist ruling class, and a mostly-Tengriist common population remarkably accepting of Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, which doesn't strike me as that hard to model in a character-driven game like CK2. A Jewish ruler whose vassals are ~50/50 Tengriist and Jewish and whose provinces are Tengriist faith.
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Yeah, I'm hoping for a lot of cool Zoroastrian stuff, that religion's always fascinated me. Does anyone know what the state of Persia in 867 was? A brief glance at Wiki says that it wasn't until the tenth century that Islam really replaced Zoroastrianism and that in most (but not all) parts of Iran Z's were basically allowed to live in peace as long as they paid the jizya, so hopefully that means there will be a lot of Z characters to choose from. Basically I want to be like one of the retarded Byzantophiles on the P-dox forums, except with the Sassanid Empire instead.
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What I mean by alt. history tee hee is that everybody is making hilariously biased facts (People with Soviet Union flags especially) talking about how the US should have detailed collapse and civil war events, the USSR only broke up because of capitalists financing uprisings, that there was no real ethnic issues in the USSR, and people focusing on if Germany won a bit to early, I don't mind the last one but Jesus there are a few misguided communists on that forum.
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If you want the USSR to be able to win in a game about the cold war, why wouldn't the US have events analogous to the collapse of the soviet union?
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Patter Song posted:The Khazars, by 867 had a Jewish Khagan, a partially-Judaized partially-Tengriist ruling class, and a mostly-Tengriist common population remarkably accepting of Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike, which doesn't strike me as that hard to model in a character-driven game like CK2. A Jewish ruler whose vassals are ~50/50 Tengriist and Jewish and whose provinces are Tengriist faith. I feel I should recommend this book by Michael Chabon: http://www.amazon.com/Gentlemen-Road-A-Tale-Adventure/dp/0345502078 Its two main characters are an Ethiopian Jew and an Ashkenazi Jew, who are best buddies and basically adventurers, and takes place mainly in Khazaria in the 800s. Farecoal fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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So the mod Napoleon's Legacy for V2 can lead to some pretty strange scenarios. I still have no idea how Cuba got there.
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To be fair, there's loving awesome alt-history like a new American Civil War between the USA, the CSA, the California Republic, New England, a Native American nation etc. Then there's dumb alt-history like "The only reason the USSR might have had instability is capitalists backing rebels. There was no ethnic problems for the USSR." which is just boring to have a super stable giant and inaccurate.
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WeaponGradeSadness posted:Yeah, I'm hoping for a lot of cool Zoroastrian stuff, that religion's always fascinated me. Does anyone know what the state of Persia in 867 was? A brief glance at Wiki says that it wasn't until the tenth century that Islam really replaced Zoroastrianism and that in most (but not all) parts of Iran Z's were basically allowed to live in peace as long as they paid the jizya, so hopefully that means there will be a lot of Z characters to choose from. The nobility was almost all Muslim. There were too many connections to be made from being Muslim that the nobility converted almost immediately. The nobility who didn't were mostly connected to the priest structure. What Wiki seems to be saying is the populace stayed mostly Zoroastrian. CK2 models only the nobility so it'd still be a more rare event to have a Zoroastrian noble.
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Stairmaster posted:If you want the USSR to be able to win in a game about the cold war, why wouldn't the US have events analogous to the collapse of the soviet union?
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quote:Are there any changes being made to model the nomadic people who were around at that time? There was a lot of migration going on, a lot of tribes that just up and left where they were between 867 and 1066. It wasn’t just an issue of conquering more stuff, they left the old lands behind. Interesting to see that Paradox has been having essentially the same discussion this thread did. (The Hungarian Problem being essentially the Migration Period problem writ small.) I'm very excited to see what they do to solve it! The Hungarians, "Scourge of Europe, ravaging from Poland to Spain!" has always been an appealing image to me, because it's so incongruous in context of their later history. (It's especially an amusing contrast to the Hungarian lords huddled in their castles as the Mongols pillage their lands.)
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Strudel Man posted:Yeah, the prospect I worry about with EvW is that it will be too deterministic, with the Soviet Union doomed either to collapse or to 'reform' into liberal democratic capitalism. Like the old Crisis in the Kremlin game. And for me, that doesn't really appeal at all - for it to be a decent game at all, either side should have a decent shot at winning. That does imply that there should be events for an American collapse. Outside of war, an Eastern Bloc victory would probably involve placating China to keep them on-board, lightening your grip on Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc., and somehow driving the United States back into isolation, or even bringing sympathetic elements to power. Honestly, half the reason I want this game to work out is so the Kaiserreich team looks into it. I want a Mitteleuropa-International Cold War, dammit!
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DrProsek posted:To be fair, there's loving awesome alt-history like a new American Civil War between the USA, the CSA, the California Republic, New England, a Native American nation etc. Then there's dumb alt-history like "The only reason the USSR might have had instability is capitalists backing rebels. There was no ethnic problems for the USSR." which is just boring to have a super stable giant and inaccurate. Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way).
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Kavak posted:Outside of war, an Eastern Bloc victory would probably involve placating China to keep them on-board, lightening your grip on Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc., and somehow driving the United States back into isolation, or even bringing sympathetic elements to power. Wasn't there a supposed "canon" post-war map that more or less divided the world between a victorious CSA and Germany? I swear I remember reading about that somewhere on the forums. edit: Found it! PBJ fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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PBJ posted:So the mod Napoleon's Legacy for V2 can lead to some pretty strange scenarios. I still have no idea how Cuba got there. Well since spain starts in Cuba, they must've reconquered spain from napoleonic spain, then proceeded to form cuba.
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PBJ posted:Wasn't there a supposed "canon" post-war map that more or less divided the world between a victorious CSA and Germany? I swear I remember reading about that somewhere on the forums. I like this, I like it a lot! Problem is the Kaiserreich developers have said they don't want to make a "canon" outcome to their mod, though that may be changing.
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Kavak posted:Outside of war, an Eastern Bloc victory would probably involve placating China to keep them on-board, lightening your grip on Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc., and somehow driving the United States back into isolation, or even bringing sympathetic elements to power. I'd imagine if the Soviets would have established a firm grip on the Middle East, avoided invasions of, say, Afghanistan, and didn't pour money out of the civilian sector into the military one they could have very easily avoided a collapse if not eventually emerged as the victors of the Cold War. Hopefully the simulation is flexible enough to allow economic routes to victory.
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Jabarto posted:Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way). Well I used to read Harry Turtledove books, they don't all have to do with the world wars (some involve the US Civil War for instance  ) and they're not really 'good' but can be entertaining. For instance, How Few Remain is about a second war between the CSA and the US in the 1880s that involves disgraced former president Lincoln becoming a socialist, Teddy Roosevelt and the Rough Riders invading Canada, and awkward Mark Twain sex scenes. I've also read a short story once where JFK survived the assassination attempt and lived for a few more decades as a mentally damaged manchild, which was a thing. Mantis42 fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Jabarto posted:Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way). There's always Churchill's own article If Lee had not won the battle of Gettysburg
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Jabarto posted:Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way).  I also like this one and this one Kainser fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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i poo poo trains posted:I'd imagine if the Soviets would have established a firm grip on the Middle East, avoided invasions of, say, Afghanistan, and didn't pour money out of the civilian sector into the military one they could have very easily avoided a collapse if not eventually emerged as the victors of the Cold War. Hopefully the simulation is flexible enough to allow economic routes to victory.   http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/content.php?1270-East-vs.-West-Developer-Diary-3-The-Art-Of-The-Cold-War I have my doubts we will see a good deal of felixibility in economics. Jabarto posted:Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way). "If X won $BIG_WAR" is a good starting point for most alt-history because of how easy it is to radically change the political, economic, religious, cultural, etc. map of the world by having one nation win a war against another. In particular a lot of alt-historical fiction I've noticed is about "What if Germany won WWII" which is just the most played out topic for me so a simple scenario like that for EvW would be boring to me but Kaiserreich as I understand has more to it than that so I may look at the Kaiserreich alt scenario. The Years of Rice and Salt is a book that sort of does things different, in it the Black Plague kills so much of Europe's population that the mainland becomes a no man's land and India, the Middle East, and Eastern Asia rise to world powers instead of Europeans. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Feb 6, 2013 |
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Jabarto posted:Do you know of any other good alt-history ideas? I'm kind of intrigued by the genre (both in EU3, now that I've tried some modded scenarios, and in general) but it seems like most of them are basically "What if Hitler/Churchill/Stalin got hit by a bus/had never been born/autoerotically asphyxiated himself?". I'd like to see some that are actually well thought-out (and I'd loving love it if they didn't involve either of the World Wars in some way). http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Pac_Never_Got_Shot
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That's one of the ones I was going to link to  The other one I would recommend is Reds! which involves a USA which fails to mollify growing worker discontent in the early part of the 20th century.
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But we all know that Tupac is alive and well in Serbia!
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This is a vanilla HOI3 problem as well, but it annoys me that in the midst of all the other stylized UI elements, the FONT is still so plain and basic. It sticks out like a sore thumb compared to how the typesetting flows well with the rest of Paradox's games.
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I like the casual assumption that as a Pagan you'll naturally be reuniting the Roman Empire without a second though. Oh Paradox forums, do you ever think of anything but ye olde Byzantium? 
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Orv posted:I like the casual assumption that as a Pagan you'll naturally be reuniting the Roman Empire without a second though. Oh Paradox forums, do you ever think of anything but ye olde Byzantium? I see no problem with playing as some Komi guy with the ultimate goal of reuniting Rome. I just don't understand why you would want to restore Roman paganism as a Komi emperor when you could instead turn the Mediterranean Suomenusko.
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