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Zwille posted:It's not the exact same you're thinking of, probably, but it's close. Click for bigger version. Hahaha, mean. "Heil Hitler"-Kennzeichen and Merkel, oh my. Duzzy Funlop posted:So between 2011 and today, we've had, what, six politicians lose their PhD to either plagiarism or gross negligence, with three of them in high-profile positions and one being the big kahuna of our loving ministry of education. How have I not been bombarded with topical jokes by my american or european buddies? I can't believe she's refusing to step down. WTF is going on? Actually in Austria we had a similiar thing with our own Bildungsminister a couple of years ago. But in our case they said, "Well, 25 years ago the criteria for scientific work were less stringent than today, so it's a pass. But today it wouldn't work." Ho-hum. Only in Austria. midnightclimax fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Feb 8, 2013 |
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quote:e've had, what, six politicians lose their PhD to either plagiarism or gross negligence, with three of them in high-profile positions and one being the big kahuna of our loving ministry of education Funny how all of them happen to be members of the ruling parties only. quote:I can't believe she's refusing to step down. WTF is going on? Actually in Austria we had a similiar thing with our own Bildungsminister a couple of years ago. But in our case they said, "Well, 25 years ago the criteria for scientific work were less stringent than today, so it's a pass. But today it wouldn't work." Ho-hum. Only in Austria. Where the hell do you live? No Austrian politician would ever consider stepping down for anything. The chancellor is/was under investigation by the justice department, shrugs it all off, and does business as usual.
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Riso posted:Where the hell do you live? No Austrian politician would ever consider stepping down for anything. Oh poo poo, already forgot that one. To be fair, it was a concerted effort by the whole coalition. So don't put the whole blame on him. /sarcasm. But yeah, Austria is "special" in that regard.
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midnightclimax posted:Hahaha, mean. "Heil Hitler"-Kennzeichen No joke, a friend of mine who's from Hamburg always refuses to abbreviate it particularly for this reason. Re: fraudulent ministers: I'm wondering why there's no big investigation how the universities could let stuff like that pass and get a PhD. I mean in the long run it's gotta invalidate the doctoral title big time.
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And now the justice minister of lower saxony got caught drunk-driving. His last feat of note? Attempting to champion legislation that would change the legal blood alcohol limit from .05% to .03%.  What's next? Schröder getting busted for adultery and criminal neglect and endangerment of a child?
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That's alright, the alcohol limit is a money grabbing farce. Everyone who actually crashes is so far above the limit you wonder if there's actually blood in his body.
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Feb 7, 2013 09:57
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Everyone losing a PhD had it from before Bologna, so in many ways a part of the issue is that people back then would let poo poo slide depending on how much education people had beforehand, Bundesland policy and whatever else. It's also telling that a lot of the people losing them are conservative, because it seems like titles are more important on this side, esepcially with the older voters. Also, nothing owns like living in Berlin and working for a member of the CDU who is from BW. I also live in Prenzlberg. I am probably among the 1% worst people in this city in the mind of some idiot hipster (foreigner, working for conservatives, contributing to gentrification, not really caring about what is super hip right now).
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To be entirely fair, the quotation styles differ significantly between the sciences. The committee that busted Shavan didn't have one from her field, which strikes me as fairly odd to be perfectly honest. Not saying that she didn't do anything wrong, but "you quoted that wrong" (as opposed to "you didn't say that it was a quote at all") is a bit problematic.
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Landsknecht posted:It's also telling that a lot of the people losing them are conservative, because it seems like titles are more important on this side, esepcially with the older voters. conservatives like to boast with their titles, be it PhD or titles of nobility - see our Pomadenmischung Guttenberg
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ArchangeI posted:To be entirely fair, the quotation styles differ significantly between the sciences. The committee that busted Shavan didn't have one from her field, which strikes me as fairly odd to be perfectly honest. Not saying that she didn't do anything wrong, but "you quoted that wrong" (as opposed to "you didn't say that it was a quote at all") is a bit problematic. Schavan was social sciences, so that's entirely different as well, especially from a natural science. The thing is, social sciences are mostly pure rehashing at a lower level (bachelors), where you just take someone else's idea and re-argue it with your own research, with coming up with new ideas being reserved for doctorate and postdoc guys only (even then, putting out a new idea on a doctoral thesis is really loving hard because of the amonut of research being done currently).
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ArchangeI posted:To be entirely fair, the quotation styles differ significantly between the sciences. The committee that busted Shavan didn't have one from her field, which strikes me as fairly odd to be perfectly honest. Not saying that she didn't do anything wrong, but "you quoted that wrong" (as opposed to "you didn't say that it was a quote at all") is a bit problematic. According to an interview with a plagiarism hunter, the number of wrong quotations in Shavan's diss suggests deception ("Die Vielzahl der Plagiatsfragmente spricht für Täuschung").
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Landsknecht posted:Schavan was social sciences, so that's entirely different as well, especially from a natural science. The thing is, social sciences are mostly pure rehashing at a lower level (bachelors), where you just take someone else's idea and re-argue it with your own research, with coming up with new ideas being reserved for doctorate and postdoc guys only (even then, putting out a new idea on a doctoral thesis is really loving hard because of the amonut of research being done currently). no, you see it was the fault of the SPD and their socialist education policy in the 70's 
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Landsknecht posted:Everyone losing a PhD had it from before Bologna, so in many ways a part of the issue is that people back then would let poo poo slide depending on how much education people had beforehand, Bundesland policy and whatever else. It's also telling that a lot of the people losing them are conservative, because it seems like titles are more important on this side, esepcially with the older voters. Not Fuchtel, is it?
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midnightclimax posted:According to an interview with a plagiarism hunter, the number of wrong quotations in Shavan's diss suggests deception ("Die Vielzahl der Plagiatsfragmente spricht für Täuschung"). Or for consistently using a style of quotation that he doesn't like.
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Fox News really is something special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJN0B2RIIMI starting at 2:20
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elwood posted:Fox News really is something special: This is beyond beautiful. Germany has more sun than the US and solar power isn't powering the entire loving nation or creating thousands of jobs within a few years after you throw a whopping ONE BILLION dollars at it.
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Feb 8, 2013 09:53
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 From Slate. Just amazing. I mean, that talking point is now out there. It will never, ever be corrected.
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I'm going to start an agency to provide retirement plans for sun-starved Floridians. Finally living in this constant heat pays off.
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Goddammit Fox News, now all the beautiful German beaches are gonna be overrun with American tourists and I can't enjoy sipping my Margaritas all year long in peace. Gonna have to get up at five a.m. in order to lay down a towel. Curse you! 
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Guys guys, this is a simple misunderstanding. You see, they thought the Balearic islands Majorca and Ibiza were part of Germany because of all the Germans living there.
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Maybe we should just purchase them 
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Why do you all have to be such dicks to poor fox news? I´m sure it was not meant to be a "factional®" statement. I also want to remind everyone of our great heroes in the bavarian police force. Seven of them were viciously attacked this week by a tiny 23 year old woman(who was handcuffed, restrained and in a police cell at that time) and had to beat her to a pulp in self-defense. As far as disciplinary actions are concerned, I´m sure everything is on the table, from promotions for everyone to a week of unpaid leave. Hurray!  "Der Beamte ist ausgetickt"
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Just back from skiing in Germany, it was fun. Two points: they should build a tunnel between the Netherlands and Austria to help unclog everything around Munich, the traffic is insane even on Saturday (all day). Second: German minister Annette Schavan quits over 'plagiarism' quote:"I think today is the right day to leave my ministerial post and to concentrate on my duties as a member of parliament," the 57-year-old said. Several politicians in the Czech Republic got into similar trouble over their academic credentials (in fact, one of the "prestigious" law schools was graduating students in 2-3 months), but I don't think anyone resigned yet.
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Haha, from my Facebook feed:quote:Angeblich soll der Papst in seiner Dissertation aus einer gewissen "Bibel" abgeschrieben haben.
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Schavan sucht doch jetzt 'nen neuen Job. Und das Wort Gottes kann sie ja auch ohne Quellenangabe verkünden.
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mobby_6kl posted:Just back from skiing in Germany, it was fun. Two points: they should build a tunnel between the Netherlands and Austria to help unclog everything around Munich, the traffic is insane even on Saturday (all day). Munich traffic is notoriously hellish on Saturday. It's generally regarded as a bad idea to attempt to enter the city by car, since it's the day when everyone has off and goes shopping. The problem is compounded by the fact that all stores close at 20.00 on weekdays.
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I wonder what the BILD makes of all this. Have We resigned now? Are We no longer Pope?
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Hey, does anyone here know anything about the control of water and water ecosystems in Germany? Like I know in France there is a centralized group known as the "water Police" that supervise water resources, but do we have any central office like that here?
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Landsknecht posted:Hey, does anyone here know anything about the control of water and water ecosystems in Germany? Like I know in France there is a centralized group known as the "water Police" that supervise water resources, but do we have any central office like that here? I suppose the closest thing would be the Umweltbundesamt, which oversees most things related to water, among other things.
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snorch posted:The problem is compounded by the fact that all stores close at 20.00 on weekdays.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:This will never stop being hilarious to me. This and the sunday thing. Thank the gods for Tankstellen I guess. You know how those crazy prepper guys always go "And what happens if you can't buy food one day, huh? Then society will break down and the black masses will come swarming into my house and then I need that assault rifle!" Well guess what country isn't going to break down, because we have that every weekend
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It's funny how the ~2000 people town I went to school at had a 8-24 Rewe, yet in my current 100.000+ city even the clubs close at 01:00 AM.
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snorch posted:Munich traffic is notoriously hellish so it's best to bypass it by going through Augsburg when coming from the north/west. The B roads through the mountains are so much faster.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:It's funny how the ~2000 people town I went to school at had a 8-24 Rewe Where, pray tell, was this?
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Our local Rewe (3000 people village) is open 7-22 and 7-24 before holidays.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Where, pray tell, was this?
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PrBacterio posted:Pretty much anywhere outside of Bavaria, would be my guess. Where I live is not such a small town (~80000 inhabitants) but we also have several 8-22 Kaufland/8-24 Rewes as a matter of course. The "all stores must close at 20:00" madness is something I only really know of from Bavaria. Buy your poo poo before 20:00, so what. I always think of the people who have to work those jobs. Yeah I know they should have gotten another job/other jobs require workinghours like that as well. Blah blah blah. Years ago only one day of the week was open til 20:00 and Saturday was usually till 12:00. Guess what, society functioned quite well back then too. I hate this "I want this, and I want it right NOW" mentality.
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System Metternich posted:Haha, from my Facebook feed: it's from Titanic: 
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bronin posted:Buy your poo poo before 20:00, so what. I always think of the people who have to work those jobs. Yeah I know they should have gotten another job/other jobs require workinghours like that as well. Blah blah blah. Years ago only one day of the week was open til 20:00 and Saturday was usually till 12:00. Guess what, society functioned quite well back then too. I hate this "I want this, and I want it right NOW" mentality. Before I went to university I managed the support desk in a computer retailer in a mall in Germany, and I have to say when the opening hours legislation was relaxed and we started keeping the store open to 2200 (2400 towards christmas) those were the nicest shifts to work for me (and all our other employees). Outside a few very hectic pre-christmas weekends you had a lot less customers, more time to prep for closing the shop without having to juggle a full store, and it also meant that you only went into work at 1400/1600 and had the whole morning/midday off to do all the things that as a regular working person you usually have to do weekends only (or take a day off for). Keep in mind, that you are still home early enough to get a regular amount of sleep during nighttime (unless you are a person that for some reason goes to bed at 2100). However, this only worked out for us because we weren't forced to cover the additional hours with the same workforce and longer shifts. That's what makes the real difference. Were I live right now in bumfuck nowhere, we have like 3 big supermarkets that have long opening hours. A kaufland where the same couple desperate workers have to staff from 0900 to 2300, managing chashier lines at the same time as mopping floors and stocking shelves, a Globus who has dedicated personnel for the different jobs (but still uses 5€ temps for the shittier jobs and never really has a single more line open than absolutely necessary) and a Wasgau where even at absolute rush hour the cashiers don't really have queues and where even the people stocking the shelves are full time employed and get regular wages. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people would rather work an 8h shift to 2200 or 2300 at full wages and with normal breaks than work 11+ hours at one of the discounters that stretches your shifts from 0800 to 2030 and still only pays you for the official openening hours from 0900 to 2000.
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bronin posted:Buy your poo poo before 20:00, so what. I always think of the people who have to work those jobs. Yeah I know they should have gotten another job/other jobs require workinghours like that as well. Blah blah blah. Years ago only one day of the week was open til 20:00 and Saturday was usually till 12:00. Guess what, society functioned quite well back then too. I hate this "I want this, and I want it right NOW" mentality. I don't mind clubs closin' early 'cause then you can just go to some parties and poo poo but it's still hilarious that it's forbidden by law. And cool on hatin' that, we should stock our large larders well in advance of course, with all possible wants or needs culinary. 
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