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Crameltonian posted:(Also Hokkaido's apparently closer racially to Iceland than to the rest of Japan but I'm going to assume that's a map error) SombreroAgnew fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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DrProsek posted:Now the Philippines are Jewish! This is not what I wanted at all They're labelled Catholic...?
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GreenCard78 posted:Not sure how it works abroad but yes, North Africans, Arabs, people from the Middle East are all white according to the US Census. In Britain at least 'Arab' is a separate ethnicity for official purposes, I'd assume it's the same in European countries that categorise such things. Shows how nebulous the concept of race is but it really boils down to immigration from North Africa and the Middle East being a boogeyman in Europe in a way that it isn't in the US. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they're Muslim and are therefore a threat to Are Christian Heritage but there's definitely a sense that they're different from white Europeans.
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Feb 18, 2013 18:43
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PBJ posted:Technically, all of the Eastern US is under German control, being a fascist puppet and all. (Also, the same regarding most of Greenland, but who do I know from Greenland, really?)
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System Metternich posted:Let's try that again with a different map: You're right to say Africa is a mess; Ethiopia is still stated as mostly Muslim when it most certainly isn't. If the map isn't researched enough to represent that I'm not sure how trustworthy the rest of it is. What's the deal with the noted Hindu minority in Guyana?
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Xander77 posted:Most of Russia is "Traditional and Tribal"? Well... that's true, but not in a religious sense, I don't think. Those areas of Russia and greenland are still mostly inhabited by traditional inuit peoples.
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Freudian posted:They're labelled Catholic...? Unless I am misreading the map, they are labelled "Tribal and Christian". 
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Xander77 posted:Most of Russia is "Traditional and Tribal"? Well... that's true, but not in a religious sense, I don't think. I think the map actually is true geographically. A huge religious survey of Russia was done last year and around 1.5% of the population listed paganism/traditional religions as their religion. You have to think a decent number of those are non Russian tribes out east. Geographically the map is probably more or less accurate, but if you put it on top of a population graph we'd be reminded those huge areas have in fact only a miniscule portion of Russia's population. Very small and rather isolated places.
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YF-23 posted:What's the deal with the noted Hindu minority in Guyana? That one checks out. There's lots of descendants of Indian slaves brought over by the British in Guyana. Quite a few of them are Hindu, but checking the numbers on Wikipedia, I see that 43% of the population is Indo-Guyanese, but only 28% is Hindu. So those two things are not synonymous.
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QuoProQuid posted:Unless I am misreading the map, they are labelled "Tribal and Christian". 
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SombreroAgnew posted:Alternate historychat: The new flagchat? Time will tell. So in what crack-addled alternate reality does the British Empire turn into a bunch of random "worker's republics" while the Russian Empire is still going strong (minus Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states)? Not to mention there's no independent Ireland. Seriously, what person with absolutely no knowledge of the pre-WW1 British Empire came up with this? Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Feb 18, 2013 |
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Freudian posted:They're labelled Catholic...? I was looking at the un-zommed in version and they looked blue to me  . Looking at the map close up, yeah they're labelled as Catholic. Although I still maintain that the Phillipines are wrong as the southern Muslim region is still Catholic. Also Kalingrad is labeled as Catholic despite being 78% Russian so I'm fairly certain that would make it Orthodox unless there's something about it I'm unaware of.
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QuoProQuid posted:Unless I am misreading the map, they are labelled "Tribal and Christian". An United Britain?
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tractor fanatic posted:An United Britain? Maybe that is how they say it in England.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So in what crack-addled alternate reality does the British Empire turn into a bunch of random "worker's republics" while the Russian Empire is still going strong (minus Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states)? Not to mention there's no independent Ireland.
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SombreroAgnew posted:Alternate historychat: The new flagchat? Time will tell.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I had to actively turn away from this. It's... horrifying.
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Strudel Man posted:That seems like a bizarrely strong reaction.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Iceland, under American control? I am horrified also. I am curious why they made Newfoundland independent. No way that would happen - it was either going to be a perpetual colony or a province of Canada, with no middle ground.
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ekuNNN posted:It needs a "None" category I have my doubts about that one. If you look at the UK it seems as if it's towards the higher end of the scale. The 2011 census came up with about 25% of the population having no religion. So either the mapmaker's figures are off or the map isn't easy to interpret (multiple colours would be much clearer than shades of the same colour).
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Strudel Man posted:That seems like a bizarrely strong reaction. It's the little things, like how in everybody's wacky alternate history maps the Italians still somehow get South Tyrol. Here's an actual contribution. It's a map of all the countries that have been visited by a US president. Not sure how current it is. 
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So in what crack-addled alternate reality does the British Empire turn into a bunch of random "worker's republics" while the Russian Empire is still going strong (minus Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic states)? Not to mention there's no independent Ireland. My guess would be that they believe that if Alexander II had not been assassinated, he would have sufficiently liberalized Russia to maintain popular Tsarist control in a strong Russia through World War I, avoid revolution, and the resulting effects on the Great War and subsequent history would have meant Communism took hold as an actual proletarian, anti-imperialist movement in the British Empire.
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eSports Chaebol posted:My guess would be that they believe that if Alexander II had not been assassinated, he would have sufficiently liberalized Russia to maintain popular Tsarist control in a strong Russia through World War I, avoid revolution, and the resulting effects on the Great War and subsequent history would have meant Communism took hold as an actual proletarian, anti-imperialist movement in the British Empire. Actually it's apparently something about Winston Churchill's father goes Super Saiyan and blows up the Empire somehow because Alternate History means you can just make up political cause and effect.
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What if, like, a bunch of time traveling South African racists went back and armed the Zulus with AK47s.
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lonelywurm posted:It's clearly marked as being a Danish possession. Might be a reference to a turn of the 20th century war plan by the US. In case of war with the UK, one of the first priorities was to occupy Newfoundland and prevent the ports there from being used to offload British soldiers and supplies into Canada. Meanwhile, the US drives on Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal, etc. etc. Could be that an armistice signed in this world provided for an independent Newfoundland as a US satellite.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I mean I was looking at it and sort of mentally listing all the things that were wrong and awful about it and just had to stop and say whatever dumb alternate history map just look away. Myanmar/Burma can now be added to the list. In fact, they have Thailand on that map shaded, and if I recall, when Obama stopped there on the way to Myanmar, that was the first presidential visit to there.
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It's kind of a dumb map because it's sitting and former presidents.
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cheerfullydrab posted:It's kind of a dumb map because it's sitting and former presidents. If it is, shouldn't it include North Korea?
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eSports Chaebol posted:My guess would be that they believe that if Alexander II had not been assassinated, he would have sufficiently liberalized Russia to maintain popular Tsarist control in a strong Russia through World War I, avoid revolution, and the resulting effects on the Great War and subsequent history would have meant Communism took hold as an actual proletarian, anti-imperialist movement in the British Empire. At least the Russia part would never have happened, especially since Alexander II was already turning more conservative later during his reign and Alexander III would have taken the reins when he died of old age. I know it is dumb alternate history stuff, but yeah Russia was fated to fall apart. In fact, I kind of doubt there was ever a point where things could have really worked or changed...there is a reason Russians are a pretty fatalistic people. The more you study Russia, the more you realize the country was just waiting for a guy like Lenin or Trotsky.
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Crameltonian posted:In Britain at least 'Arab' is a separate ethnicity for official purposes, I'd assume it's the same in European countries that categorise such things. Shows how nebulous the concept of race is but it really boils down to immigration from North Africa and the Middle East being a boogeyman in Europe in a way that it isn't in the US. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they're Muslim and are therefore a threat to Are Christian Heritage but there's definitely a sense that they're different from white Europeans. Every weird and confusing part of that map is explained by early 20th century legal cases designed to resolve ambiguities in American segregation and legal discrimination. Basically a bunch of lawyers sat down and tried to figure out who was more or less a human and who a gross apeman we needed to keep out of the country. It generally resulted in completely arbitrary distinctions with no basis in anything resembling modern genetic science for example Australians getting lumped in with polynesians and the Ainu getting classified as white. I image the reasoning on the Ainu went something like 'well their beards are pretty full and their eyes aren't that chinky so they can't be asian, must be white  Even if this classification system still existed it would be irrelevant today since the Ainu have intermarried with other Japanese people a lot since 1900 and are much less distinct than they used to be. There were some big debates about whether the Aryan invasion of India meant Indians were white or not or if high caste hindus could be considered pure Aryan. Ultimately the courts decided they had all been contaminated with nasty dravidian blood and as such were negros. I'm sure a whole bunch of orientalists into eastern religion were super pissed.
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 I'm annoyed because I used to have a better version of this that I can't find. Bah. Anyhow, back in the eighties, the British government did survivability estimates for possible nuclear wars (Exercise Hard Rock, and such), and made a list of likely targets in Britain. Essentially, everything up the East Coast becomes a glowing mess due to all the early-warning radar sites looking out for the USA's safety (you're welcome) The big red arrow pointing to Turnstile is where the British government had its back-up location to run away to underground, with facilities to keep the civil service running in the event. 
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The Russians just REALLY hate ponies!
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Grand Fromage posted:What's up with the nuke on Shetland? Was that an early warning site too? Yep, early warning stations up there. As for that map, you can tell these imagined Soviets wanted to ensure the survivors had no morale remaining - they left Derby standing.
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The end result is clear, Ireland and Scotland shall have final victory of England after so many centuries  :ireland:(I can't believe there's no Irish flag, if for jokes on St Patty's day alone)
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