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CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
I had a 6 digit number, and it got hacked ages ago. Oh well.

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AfricanBootyShine
Jan 9, 2006

Snake wins.

Dumb question, but is it possible to start a new forum thread from within the app, or are you only restricted to replies? I can't figure out how to do it from an iPad.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

OK, I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. I'm getting a rendering error in some links on the in-built browser where the background colour will show up as whatever the post background colour is (meaning in dark mode I get black text on black background :( )

Example: in this post I click the link and it looks like this:


Also, I retract all previous comments pooh-poohing dark mode. It rules and I use it exclusively now.

Edit: I get the same results on the iPad.

TACD fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 19, 2013

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

Internet Meme posted:

Dumb question, but is it possible to start a new forum thread from within the app, or are you only restricted to replies? I can't figure out how to do it from an iPad.

Restricted to replies (for now?)

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

TACD posted:

OK, I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. I'm getting a rendering error in some links on the in-built browser where the background colour will show up as whatever the post background colour is (meaning in dark mode I get black text on black background :( )

Example: in this post I click the link and it looks like this:


Also, I retract all previous comments pooh-poohing dark mode. It rules and I use it exclusively now.

Rendered ok for me, dark theme, testing build, iOS 6.1.1 iPhone 4S

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

myron cope posted:

Rendered ok for me, dark theme, testing build, iOS 6.1.1 iPhone 4S


Oh golly, I forgot that Apple's been pushing out software updates pretty quickly recently. Let me update and I'll report back.

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

6.1.2 just came out...today? I think. I don't think either .1 or .2 should affect Awful/page rendering but what do I know

Diabolik900
Mar 28, 2007

TACD posted:

OK, I don't think I've seen this mentioned yet. I'm getting a rendering error in some links on the in-built browser where the background colour will show up as whatever the post background colour is (meaning in dark mode I get black text on black background :( )

Example: in this post I click the link and it looks like this:


Also, I retract all previous comments pooh-poohing dark mode. It rules and I use it exclusively now.

Edit: I get the same results on the iPad.

I never noticed this myself, but it looks like Pokeyman fixed it, so it should be good in the next update.

Edit: Although technically the real fault is with the web developers for not specifying a background color on their sites, but I'm sure I've done the same thing plenty of times myself.

Diabolik900 fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 19, 2013

pseudonordic
Aug 31, 2003

The Jack of All Trades

myron cope posted:

Rendered ok for me, dark theme, testing build, iOS 6.1.1 iPhone 4S



Me too, 1.10.2-12, iOS 6.1 jb on a 4S

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Diabolik900 posted:

I never noticed this myself, but it looks like Pokeyman fixed it, so it should be good in the next update.

Edit: Although technically the real fault is with the web developers for not specifying a background color on their sites, but I'm sure I've done the same thing plenty of times myself.
Ah, excellent :) I figured it wasn't likely to be anything iOS related (and the update didn't fix it, but needed to be done anyway).

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Internet Meme posted:

Dumb question, but is it possible to start a new forum thread from within the app, or are you only restricted to replies? I can't figure out how to do it from an iPad.

Can't be done for now. It's on the list though!

Terminal Entropy
Dec 26, 2012

I keep getting fiddle stick errors when trying to post images from library. It worked just fine this morning.

"An unknown error occurred (error code -1)"

quote:

2013-02-20 20:15:45 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:16:13 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:26:27 +0000 Awful Error Domain=ImgurAPIErrorDomain Code=-1 "An unknown error occurred" UserInfo=0x22831280 {NSUnderlyingError=0x1fec7a50 "request body stream exhausted", NSLocalizedDescription=An unknown error occurred}
2013-02-20 20:27:01 +0000 Awful Error Domain=ImgurAPIErrorDomain Code=-1 "An unknown error occurred" UserInfo=0x2281f4c0 {NSUnderlyingError=0x228397d0 "request body stream exhausted", NSLocalizedDescription=An unknown error occurred}
2013-02-20 20:27:23 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:27:34 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:28:39 +0000 Awful *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSRangeException', reason: '-[__NSCFString substringWithRange:]: Range or index out of bounds'
*** First throw call stack:
(0x321a32a3 0x39e3d97f 0x321a31c5 0x320f2e69 0xe2fd5 0xe2d83 0xef1c9 0x3a25511f 0x3a2544b7 0x3a255dcb 0x32176f3b 0x320e9ebd 0x320e9d49 0x35cab2eb 0x33fff301 0xc5393 0xc01a8)
2013-02-20 20:28:41 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.awfulapp.Awful[0x4f62]' exited abnormally with signal 6: Abort trap: 6
2013-02-20 20:29:18 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:29:30 +0000 assetsd PSDLog: Can't return sharingPersonID because no Apple Account has Photo Sharing enabled
2013-02-20 20:31:02 +0000 Awful Error Domain=ImgurAPIErrorDomain Code=-1 "An unknown error occurred" UserInfo=0x1edca770 {NSUnderlyingError=0x1f903400 "The request timed out.", NSLocalizedDescription=An unknown error occurred}

Was able to get it to work just now, though I had also just now installed the iOs update that was just now pushed.

Terminal Entropy fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Feb 20, 2013

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
Looks like there's a couple errors in there. The first one, "request body stream exhausted", should be fixed in 1.10.2 which is waiting for review. I'll look in to the other error, the range out of bounds.

Terminal Entropy
Dec 26, 2012

Seems like doing more than one photo at a time trips it up.

Alliterate Addict
Jul 10, 2012

dreaming of that face again

it's bright and blue and shimmering

grinning wide and comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes
A quick bug on 1.10.1:

If you have your app set up in such a way where it doesn't keep the bookmarks bar displayed, you can get a "NSURLErrorDomain error -999" on a fairly regular basis by:

1. Displaying the Bookmarks toolbar,
2. Pulling down to refresh the Bookmarks, and
3. Swiping to hide the Bookmarks bar before the refresh is completed.

If you've got a decent connection speed then a good portion of the time it'll finish refreshing before you can swipe, but I figured I'd bring it up in case it's just a quick modification to a "catch exception" expression to suppress.

If it's already been brought up and fixed in the last 10 or so pages feel free to ignore me :shobon:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
I'm unsure how this happened, but it did. :ohdear:



iPad 4, 6.1.1.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

TinTower posted:

I'm unsure how this happened, but it did. :ohdear:



iPad 4, 6.1.1.

Well, you're not alone. Unfortunately I'm as in the dark as your bookmarks about how to make it happen and, then, how to fix it!

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Not to turn this into a "how to xcode" thread, but I'm curious about the basic structure of the app.

Is there a reason (for example) the settings screen was done programmatically, rather than with the storyboard or interface builder?

I understand a lot of developers have an innate distrust of "code generators" (with good reason) but a lot of xcode documentation out there treats the interface builder as the One True Way.

101
Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller
Is there a reason copied text from the post window is blank in Mail.app?


Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR


Maybe it copied the (white) formatting?

101
Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller

Kazy posted:

Maybe it copied the (white) formatting?


I did. I switched dark mode off for that one. Any way to fix this?

SaturdayKnight
Mar 31, 2011

Chuck Bartowski posted:

I did. I switched dark mode off for that one. Any way to fix this?

I doubt it. OS X has this issue too, with copying also copying formatting of the words and not just the words. Except OS X has a setting where you can turn that behavior off, whereas iOS doesn't. Not sure why apple thinks there's any case were you'd WANT the format to be copied.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

xzzy posted:

Not to turn this into a "how to xcode" thread, but I'm curious about the basic structure of the app.

Is there a reason (for example) the settings screen was done programmatically, rather than with the storyboard or interface builder?

I understand a lot of developers have an innate distrust of "code generators" (with good reason) but a lot of xcode documentation out there treats the interface builder as the One True Way.

Awful used to be storyboards. I switched it all over to code at some point because editing iPad storyboards is a horrible experience. That's the only reason. One day I just snapped trying to work on the iPad storyboard, and everything became code.

Interface Builder is excellent among its peers, and I have no other problem with it. If Awful was an iPhone-only app, it would use storyboards. And I'd happily accept a pull request that used a nib or storyboard for some new screen.

For what it's worth, nibs and storyboards are actually serialized objects. There's no generated code. I don't think this is off topic at all (people seem to like occasional glimpses into the process), but if you like, there's also the iOS dev thread.

Chuck Bartowski posted:


I did. I switched dark mode off for that one. Any way to fix this?

I'm on it. That's some bullshit.

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.
If you open a link from portrait, go into landscape, close the link, then go back into portrait, it messes up the title.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
That's no good. I'm on it, thanks!

Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
I hate to be that guy, but if I try and load the Wii U megathread's first page in awful, it crashes on my iPad 3.

I don't know how to copy a link to a thread in awful though so I can't really make a link right now.... Wait... Safari.

E: link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3507212

Don't know what it is that causes it to die, but I can load a ridiculous amount of .gifs from the pyf thread so I don't think it's an issue of memory.

Drowning Rabbit fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Feb 27, 2013

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
I hate to be that guy, but it works on my machine (which is also an iPad 3). Though it's pretty sluggish; Awful got a few memory warnings, probably from loading all those massive images.

I added crash reporting to the new version, Awful 1.10.2 (should appear in your App Store in the next few hours). If you can update, then make it crash, I'll get a note the next time you open the app.

If you have more time than patience, can you get a console log just before the crash? You can grab an app like System Console to grab console logs. That might help me figure it out.

kloa
Feb 14, 2007


Just updated the app on both my phone and mini but now it just crashes on the mini.

I'll try reinstalling but just a heads up.

E: app works after reinstall but nothing shows up in the forum list tab.

kloa fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Feb 27, 2013

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
Does the update crash on your phone too?

kloa
Feb 14, 2007


Nah works perfectly on the phone.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
Well that's some relief at least. By any chance, do you remember if your iPad mini was on the most recent version when you upgraded?

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

kloa posted:

Just updated the app on both my phone and mini but now it just crashes on the mini.

I'll try reinstalling but just a heads up.

E: app works after reinstall but nothing shows up in the forum list tab.

Are you connected to a wifi network that requires you to accept terms or login or anything?

I've had the crashing problem in the past when I was connected to a public wifi with a login

kloa
Feb 14, 2007


Yea I was on the latest version. The app wasn't showing an update until I opened the App Store.

I'm on iOS 6.1 if it matters.

E: ^^^^^ I'm on my home network.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Jose Valasquez posted:

I've had the crashing problem in the past when I was connected to a public wifi with a login

I don't have this on my list, I must've forgotten to write it down. Can you tell me more?

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

pokeyman posted:

I don't have this on my list, I must've forgotten to write it down. Can you tell me more?

Sometimes public wifi networks required you to hit a webpage in a browser to login or click an accept button on terms of service. Before you open the browser the phone thinks it's fully connected to wifi, but if you open Awful before logging in it tries to refresh stuff and if I remember correctly it either shows a blank list of threads/forum or crashes depending on which page it's trying to load. Now that I think about it I think the only one that crashed was if you tried to go into the settings tab.

SaturdayKnight
Mar 31, 2011

Looks like the update is up now.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.

Jose Valasquez posted:

Sometimes public wifi networks required you to hit a webpage in a browser to login or click an accept button on terms of service. Before you open the browser the phone thinks it's fully connected to wifi, but if you open Awful before logging in it tries to refresh stuff and if I remember correctly it either shows a blank list of threads/forum or crashes depending on which page it's trying to load. Now that I think about it I think the only one that crashed was if you tried to go into the settings tab.

Thanks, I'll fix it up!

Drowning Rabbit
Oct 28, 2003

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

pokeyman posted:

I hate to be that guy, but it works on my machine (which is also an iPad 3). Though it's pretty sluggish; Awful got a few memory warnings, probably from loading all those massive images.

I added crash reporting to the new version, Awful 1.10.2 (should appear in your App Store in the next few hours). If you can update, then make it crash, I'll get a note the next time you open the app.

If you have more time than patience, can you get a console log just before the crash? You can grab an app like System Console to grab console logs. That might help me figure it out.

I was more referring to not posting a link. By any means, your update has gone up so I tried it with that, it died again for me. :(

I grabbed down System Console as per your request, here is a somewhat pruned log I guess? I tried to post the whole bloody thing to Dropbox, but that not only didn't work, it flooded the log with a ton of irrelevant info. Here is all of the data from the log after it killed Awful to update it. I pruned out the Dropbox bullshit for the sake of brevity...

The only thread opened was this one, and the first page of the Wii U thread. I put in whitespace to signify my going to Dropbox to try and upload the log. If you want the full log notes, I can email them to you, but they are just this with a shitton of Dropbox stuff.

code:
2013-02-27 01:44:37 +0000 SpringBoard Killing com.awfulapp.Awful for app installation
2013-02-27 01:44:38 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.awfulapp.Awful[0xaebf]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:44:42 +0000 lsd Attempting to store identifiers file
2013-02-27 01:44:42 +0000 lsd updating identifier store
2013-02-27 01:44:42 +0000 AppStore JS: Footer Section: Count 1
2013-02-27 01:44:42 +0000 AppStore JS: Footer Section: Non-null
2013-02-27 01:44:43 +0000 AppStore JS: Footer Section: Zero
2013-02-27 01:44:43 +0000 AppStore JS: Footer Section: Non-null
2013-02-27 01:44:54 +0000 Awful Unbalanced calls to begin/end appearance transitions for <AwfulTabBarController: 0x20070f00>.
2013-02-27 01:45:26 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.atebits.Tweetie2[0x62c5]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:45:28 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.apple.mobilesafari[0x54bc]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:45:28 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.google.Gmail[0xe022]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:45:34 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.supercell.magic[0x1ad6]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:45:41 +0000 Awful Received memory warning.
2013-02-27 01:45:42 +0000 Awful Received memory warning.
2013-02-27 01:45:42 +0000 Awful Received memory warning.
2013-02-27 01:45:47 +0000 Awful Received memory warning.
2013-02-27 01:45:47 +0000 Awful Received memory warning.
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.awfulapp.Awful[0xda35]' exited abnormally with signal 9: Killed: 9
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:54 +0000 backboardd BKSendGSEvent ERROR sending event type 3001: (ipc/send) invalid destination port (0x10000003)
2013-02-27 01:45:59 +0000 Awful Unbalanced calls to begin/end appearance transitions for <AwfulTabBarController: 0x1cd8ff70>.
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:09 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:10 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:13 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:46:14 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk

2013-02-27 01:50:55 +0000 backboardd Application 'UIKitApplication:com.awfulapp.Awful[0xc9f0]' exited abnormally with signal 11: Segmentation fault: 11

2013-02-27 01:53:29 +0000 Awful Unbalanced calls to begin/end appearance transitions for <AwfulTabBarController: 0x1f8b7090>.
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:43 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
2013-02-27 01:53:44 +0000 Awful ImageIO: PNG invalid PNG file: iDOT doesn't point to valid IDAT chunk
I hope that helps, and isn't too much info.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
Unfortunately I don't see anything useful in there. Thanks for doing that though; I'll put it on the list and take a closer look!

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Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.
Bug report: I just updated on my iPhone running 6.2 and my favorites list was empty. When I went to star favorites it had stars on a whole bunch of forums I never read (SAS, ADTRW, etc.).

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