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Toady posted:i agree with the reasons for c++ to exist, i just wish bjarne knew how to say no GrumpyDoctor posted:i still haven't quite figured out why nobody uses d. maybe some more experienced people can tell me. it can't be just inertia, there's got to be some other reason. Bjarne knows how to say no. The people he says no too seem to go work on D. In short, D is a hodgepodge of nice ideas and some horrible decisions. Like, arrays are also ranges by some hidden magic, except const char arrays, which are utf-8 encoded string, while are ranges of unicode characters, but otherwise look exactly like arrays of chars. Also inline unittests introduced with the unittest keyword are great until you realise the only way to run them is a special debug build which actually runs the whole thing but also runs your unittests. Basically it's a sort of C++ with bits in it.
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ymgve posted:people not knowing the difference between learn and teach itt well what do you want to learn about? the functionality of the stl is pretty well documented at places like cppreference.com if you want to learn about core language like how different constructors work and what will be called in what situation, cppreference also does that well. The issue comes with things like ADL, RVO, copy elision, and other poo poo like that which afaik isn't documented in a "here's a list of things that happen in c++, maybe you should click one you don't recognize" kind of place.
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Also D's web page takes 5s to load. How am I expected to use a language with such a slow web page?
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whats the web page for c++
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FamDav posted:well what do you want to learn about? the functionality of the stl is pretty well documented at places like cppreference.com no i mean the instructions you posted sounds like instructing a lecturer how to teach c++ instead of how one individual would go about learning c++ for themselves
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Suspicious Dish posted:whats the web page for c++ http://isocpp.org/ perhaps
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C++ "standards" talk gas ban everyone gently caress strosstrop
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Zombywuf posted:Bjarne knows how to say no. The people he says no too seem to go work on D. pretty sure there's some kinda wierd flag that you can add that will tell the compiler not to replace main with a noop for running the unit tests the rest is def true though I found out recently that some very important US gov software is written in D and runs on SCO  seriously the more time I spend in my line of work the more astonished I become that this country functions at even the most rudimentary level
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JawnV6 posted:yo does numpy actually meet shruges' criteria, esp. the expected return on failure cases? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3520389&pagenumber=11#post412927528
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the only thing I know about D is that the guy who got 1st place in the google code challenge used it
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JawnV6 posted:yo does numpy actually meet shruges' criteria, esp. the expected return on failure cases? unfortunately i left behavior undefined when the matrix was singular, otherwise [[1,2,3],[11,12,13],[21,22,23]] would have been a good example where numpy think it can invert it. instead i had to search around for a nearby matrix which numpy thought was singular, and that was annoying (but not too annoying).
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yo monoqc i just wanted to say thanks for the errang book. i only got through the first chapter or two but it was enough to help me debug some ejabberd modules today
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Glad to know it can be of any help 
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wrong thread, evne worse
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e: buts
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it's so hard to remember that there is a yospos outside of the pl thread sometimes
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no its not
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pffft what a missed opportunity, you could have reminded me there's a world outside of yospos
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this thread is my favorite YOSPOS thread
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Gazpacho posted:pffft what a missed opportunity, you could have reminded me there's a world outside of yospos that would be the obvs joke why would i do that
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stay away from c++ and learn functional programming or something else interesting
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also gazpacho you can stop posting now
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OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:Effective c++ transformed me from a garbage c++ dev into a slightly less garbage c++ dev. good book. i don't program c++ but this right here is the kind of testimonial i can get behind also the only cool thing ive seen thats written in d is some of kenta cho's shmups
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i don't program c++ but this right here is the kind of testimonial i can get behind don't forget their kick-rear end nntp-based forums
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the only good c++ references consist of lists of things you should not do in c++ this covers effective c++ and also the c++ fqa
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JewKiller 3000 posted:stay away from c++ and learn functional programming or something else interesting do (mostly) functional programming in c++ 
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Jerry SanDisky posted:do (mostly) functional programming in c++ only in c++11 is that even a possibility
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Java gets within spitting distance of c++ for performance so unless you're writing kernel code or need real-time guarantees I fail to see the point of using c++. C is the obvious choice of greybeards and Linux spergs but there's no niche for c++
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or maybe the goal is something really crazy like making an unsandboxed app that has its own executable and uses the host OS's UI style
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java has its own executable. also use c# if ur doin gui on windows.
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you can make good, native looknfeel apps in eclipse rcp but holy hell does it suck to code. especially compared to xaml
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Gazpacho posted:or maybe the goal is something really crazy like making an unsandboxed app that has its own executable and uses the host OS's UI style You're trying to be sarcastic but it's tyool 2013 so unless you're making a browser or a game iawtp Java's UI toolkits are poo poo though
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do you pronounce it "X A M L" or "zamül"
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second one or zamel
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duTrieux. posted:do you pronounce it "X A M L" or "zamül" It's pronounced "gimme some dat Microsoft dick *schlorp schlorp schlorp*"
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i use c++ for matrices and it owns? http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
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PENETRATION TESTS posted:i use c++ for matrices and it owns? Use java and lapack
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PENETRATION TESTS posted:i use c++ for matrices and it owns? i tried getting that to work a couple weeks ago but the matrix market io stuff didnt work out of the box
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if you suspect you want to use any library that implements a ref counting smart pointer, immediately stop using c++ and switch languages
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