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Malcolm XML posted:Scala just comes across as a language where no one said "no" to a feature. so a functional c++?
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yaoi prophet posted:so a functional c++? c++ says no to features, then they get implemented in D
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Mar 3, 2013 19:22
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Malcolm XML posted:Scala just comes across as a language where no one said "no" to a feature. Don't be silly, scala doesn't have variable variables or converting constructors by default.
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Mar 3, 2013 19:39
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i barely GNU her! posted:we use angular with asp.net mvc at work. angularjs highlights: if you don't pass in the optional dependencies array you get back the module. angular.module('x') vs angular.module('x', []) which will just overwrite module x with a new one with no dependencies so angular.module('x').controller(...) to make a new controller in a new file
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Mar 3, 2013 21:20
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what javasnick library ever has good documentation, except jquery
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Mar 3, 2013 22:11
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rsjr posted:if you don't pass in the optional dependencies array you get back the module. upon investigation you're right, time to update angular-hate.txt
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Mar 3, 2013 22:17
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Shameproof posted:what javasnick library ever has good documentation, except jquery jquery has great dox, if the standard is third-party c libraries from 1992
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Mar 3, 2013 22:51
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what is a well-documented library?
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Mar 3, 2013 22:54
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a miserable pile of docstrings!
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Mar 3, 2013 22:55
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Mr Dog posted:what is a well-documented library? "example is the school of mankind, and they will learn at no other" - edmund burke
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Mar 3, 2013 22:59
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abraham linksys posted:thanks for the warning, i guess i've used angular, and its definitely weird, and the docs suck, but two way data binding and the way they let you define your own components/tags is really useful. i'd still rather have the proper web components standard (think of how the <video> tag and such work, they are built in html but the only thing you can see is the <video> tag and not, say, the play button underneath) i've been using backbone at work though, and although it has the same problem where it really doesn't tell you the "right" way to use it, it is also really lightweight.
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Mar 3, 2013 23:00
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the nice thing about backbone is that you can just throw together some random poo poo and the UI just looks nice and modern by default.
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Mar 3, 2013 23:01
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rotor posted:the nice thing about backbone is that you can just throw together some random poo poo and the UI just looks nice and modern by default. i think you're thinking of bootstrap. backbone is only js.
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Mar 3, 2013 23:02
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oops
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Mar 3, 2013 23:03
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spongeh posted:i've been using backbone at work though, and although it has the same problem where it really doesn't tell you the "right" way to use it, it is also really lightweight. this was my issue with learning backbone, too it's something that a good screencast or even a few blog articles could probably set straight, but i couldn't find anything that seemed authoritative and up to date. backbone is like MVC jazz, you can put all your poo poo wherever and however you want!!
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Mar 3, 2013 23:31
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just about all javascript frameworks/libraries are awful, horribly documented, and end up ignored the second they become remotely mature. jquery's docs are the best as far as js docs go. on the other hand, apple's docs are the best ever, but also have the unfortunate downside of being so elaborate/exhaustive that it can take a good while to find precisely what you need. quite honestly though, web development drives me nuts. i don't really enjoy it and i wish i could find something more interesting, but i don't know what i would like to do or how to get there (aside from killing myself).
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Mar 3, 2013 23:52
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gucci void main posted:just about all javascript frameworks/libraries are awful, horribly documented, and end up ignored the second they become remotely mature. jquery's docs are the best as far as js docs go. on the other hand, apple's docs are the best ever, but also have the unfortunate downside of being so elaborate/exhaustive that it can take a good while to find precisely what you need. it's like youre a zoophile in a horse corral and you keep yelling at the farmhands to take you to some god drat animals
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Mar 4, 2013 00:07
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FamDav posted:it's like youre a zoophile in a horse corral and you keep yelling at the farmhands to take you to some god drat animals lol e: i've opted to kill myself, it's easier than dealing w/the web
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Mar 4, 2013 00:08
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rotor posted:"example is the school of mankind, and they will learn at no other" - edmund burke quoting for truth
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Mar 4, 2013 00:12
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the reason web development sucks and will keep sucking is that everyone who knows what they're doing gets away from it as soon as they possibly can also the web is a pile of stupid hacks
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Mar 4, 2013 00:39
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Still it's better than using IBM's platform right?
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Mar 4, 2013 00:56
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abraham linksys posted:this was my issue with learning backbone, too that's actually one of the things i like about backbone though, is that it doesn't mandate a certain structure. but still there needs to be something that's basically "this is usually what you want, but if you don't, it's ok, everything is fine  "
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Mar 4, 2013 01:17
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yaoi prophet posted:
the wretched "pimp my library" pattern name was coined by the principal author of scala, martin odersky http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=179766 but casual readers of the scalaz page would never know that. way to make the public face of your library super bad, guys
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Mar 4, 2013 01:45
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Condiv posted:Don't be silly, scala doesn't have variable variables or converting constructors by default. "variable variables" can only be implemented in a bad language because they are a consequence (defect?) of php's naive implementation scala takes the converting constructor idea way overboard. you can use implicit defs to convert anything anywhere anytime (even to effectively assign new methods to an existing object based only on its type, because it is convertible to some other type that DOES have the method)
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Mar 4, 2013 01:48
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:"variable variables" can only be implemented in a bad language because they are a consequence (defect?) of php's naive implementation lol what are you talking about
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Mar 4, 2013 01:50
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Tiny Bug Child posted:lol what are you talking about jesus christ just stop posting everyone is tired of you
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Mar 4, 2013 02:09
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JewKiller 3000 posted:jesus christ just stop posting everyone is tired of you maybe when people stop being wrong and stupid about programming. variable variables are very useful
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Mar 4, 2013 02:43
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Tiny Bug Child posted:maybe when people stop being wrong and stupid about programming. variable variables are very useful it may be the case that they are "useful" in an html templating language for functional retards. but fyi there are still environments where compiling to efficient machine code matters, and it is not acceptable to implement variables as "one giant global dynamic associative array" i can't believe i'm seriously responding to a tbc post
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Mar 4, 2013 02:56
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JewKiller 3000 posted:i can't believe i'm seriously responding to a tbc post bugchasing
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Mar 4, 2013 03:34
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tef posted:bugchasing
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Mar 4, 2013 03:35
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tef posted:bugchasing
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Mar 4, 2013 03:35
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gucci void main posted:just about all javascript frameworks/libraries are awful, horribly documented, and end up ignored the second they become remotely mature. jquery's docs are the best as far as js docs go. on the other hand, apple's docs are the best ever, but also have the unfortunate downside of being so elaborate/exhaustive that it can take a good while to find precisely what you need. Program java. There's gwt if you have to do client side (don't do client side users are horrible trash, never make something a user can see)
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Mar 4, 2013 03:54
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ok i guess i'll look at scala. are there any good books or is internet good enough
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Mar 4, 2013 04:04
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Nomnom Cookie posted:Program java. There's gwt if you have to do client side (don't do client side users are horrible trash, never make something a user can see) *repeatedly tells the compiler that this type is in fact a boolean, and that this method returns a boolean, even though the compiler can loving figure it out*
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Mar 4, 2013 04:05
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Werthog 95 posted:ok i guess i'll look at scala. are there any good books or is internet good enough programming in scala is written by the guy who designed the language also he instructs a coursea course that starts in three weeks: https://www.coursera.org/course/progfun
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Mar 4, 2013 04:07
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It's also suuuuupppper dense...so i'd fall back to scala in action if it doesn't work for you
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Mar 4, 2013 04:09
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gucci void main posted:also he instructs a coursea course that starts in three weeks: https://www.coursera.org/course/progfun well poo poo that's good timing
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Mar 4, 2013 04:23
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Cocoa Crispies posted:*repeatedly tells the compiler that this type is in fact a boolean, and that this method returns a boolean, even though the compiler can loving figure it out* *programs a p lang, has boring job and life, tells self that drinking is fun*
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Mar 4, 2013 04:29
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Werthog 95 posted:well poo poo that's good timing take it! it's pretty good
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Nomnom Cookie posted:*programs a p lang, has boring job and life, tells self that drinking is fun* i heard there are languages where the compiler is smart enough to figure out types for you these days
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