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Jeb Bush might be able to dig himself out from under his last name nationally if he wasn't running in a party that is somehow simultaneously is too embarrassed to even mention his brothers name AND looks at his entire failed presidency and says "didn't go far enough". I'd still be lobbing BUSH BUSH BUSH at any GOP presidential candidate so long as everyone remembers who I'm talking about and their policies mirror his.
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No, because like any other conspiracy theory it requires people to be extremely well organized, and in this particular case to look for the long haul rather than the short term. Put another way, the people who spouted the "women have natural defenses from rape" line were mostly voted out in 2012. Your theory requires that they support the good of the party so much that they'll sacrifice themselves to push people farther right. Which is not something a politician does, they're out for themselves.
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PeterWeller posted:The Sherlock Holmes films are miles better than Snatch or Lock Stock. But that's not saying much at all.... Intel&Sebastian posted:Jeb Bush might be able to dig himself out from under his last name nationally if he wasn't running in a party that is somehow simultaneously is too embarrassed to even mention his brothers name AND looks at his entire failed presidency and says "didn't go far enough". GOP mindset in a nutshell: Bush was terrible and everyone knows it. Let's repackage that hit on a prettier face and try again. Maybe if someone would just explain things to these ignorant Mexicans they'll get it.
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BiggerBoat posted:As an aside, from a few pages back, but does anyone think all the abortion/rape noise coming from the GOP could be a sort of backdoor way into banning abortion except in the instance of rape? Like a re-framing of the narrative in a less crazy way that says "well, of course these people saying these things are insane but let's be reasonable. If a woman is raped of course she's entitled to an abortion. These other women? That's murder." They've had more success driving out abortion providers in states they control that de jure bans aren't really necessary.
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Mar 5, 2013 23:23
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Spacedad posted:Yes, I simply must escape the encroach of American socialism by becoming a UK citizen. Hate to break it to you but the Labour party hasn't been socialist in... ever.
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Mar 5, 2013 23:31
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Gonzo McFee posted:Hate to break it to you but the Labour party hasn't been socialist in... ever. Like any conservative could tell you the difference between a socialist and a neoliberal anyways.
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Coolodile posted:Like any conservative could tell you the difference between a socialist and a neoliberal anyways. Well, both are Fascists 
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Mar 6, 2013 00:04
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computer parts posted:No, because like any other conspiracy theory it requires people to be extremely well organized, and in this particular case to look for the long haul rather than the short term. watt par posted:They've had more success driving out abortion providers in states they control that de jure bans aren't really necessary. You guys are probably right. I suppose I was just looking at a way where "they can't be this crazy and creepy" and they have to know better other than suggesting a grand conspiracy. I suppose I was looking forward to an extent and figuring out ways by which to spin the dumb bullshit coming out of their mouths works into some sort of strategic advantage. I just have a hard time believing they're that stupid despite all evidence to the contrary.
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BiggerBoat posted:You guys are probably right. I suppose I was just looking at a way where "they can't be this crazy and creepy" and they have to know better other than suggesting a grand conspiracy. I suppose I was looking forward to an extent and figuring out ways by which to spin the dumb bullshit coming out of their mouths works into some sort of strategic advantage.
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Mar 6, 2013 00:32
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The methods through which they've managed to shut down clinics and defund Planned Parenthood are definitely calculated and coordinated. It's just not on the level of conspiracy since the people behind it are fairly open about their goals.
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Mar 6, 2013 00:37
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One of the main problems with applying the pro-life war model to gay marriage is that they haven't had to fight against the image of an aborted baby on every single sitcom on tv spiting them by being a normal, identifiable person.
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BiggerBoat posted:I don't agree with that. Jeb was relatively well liked in Florida as a Governor, even by me, and is rightfully regarded as "the smart one" when it comes to the Bush clan. GOP voters have short memories. A ticket with Jeb and Christie or Rubio and Jeb has the potential to gain a lot of steam. It is just redmeat for the fetus people. Anybody who really matters, like the daughter of a senator or megachurch preacher can always go to canada for their abortions. So this is just taking a few swift kicks at the poor and disenfranchised, which is always good for some votes. I've long thought that abortion will stay legal because republicans need the anti-abortion vote, and how can you keep them turning out for some poo poo you did 10 years ago? But I'm a little surprised that it has gotten as illegal as it has, with all the ultrasound wands and defunding and whatnot.
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Speaking of red meat, Drudge is back on the ATTACK IRAN NOW train. (also, his Chavez coverage is as tasteful as you'd expect) Remove Obama from those headlines and they might as well be from 1979.
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Why does a select group of politicians always want to blow up Iran? I've never understood this.
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You could replace Obama with "Hussein" as many Drudgites would be apt to do and it would work.
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Iran's been a hair's breadth away from nuking the US and mobilizing their elite force of killdozers to literally push Israel into the sea for so long that their entire armed forces have likely collapsed from exhaustion at this point. Another heroic victory. 
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Lt. Tanaka posted:Why does a select group of politicians always want to blow up Iran? I've never understood this. Because Iran won't do what we tell them too. Plus NK has nukes so we can't nuke them, and the SU no longer exists. So we got to have someone.
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Mar 6, 2013 01:14
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Intel&Sebastian posted:One of the main problems with applying the pro-life war model to gay marriage is that they haven't had to fight against the image of an aborted baby on every single sitcom on tv spiting them by being a normal, identifiable person. If the supreme court rules along one of the potential lines where gay marriage is validated the state level Republican backlash won't play out the same way, absent something ridiculous like placing restrictions on where weddings can legally be held or who can perform them, and even then that at best only removes some clergy and government officials. As it is just about anyone can legally perform a wedding. I've done it. You don't even need a ceremony, just get a couple friends to sign the officiating and witness paperwork and you're done.
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Mar 6, 2013 01:18
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Lt. Tanaka posted:Why does a select group of politicians always want to blow up Iran? I've never understood this. Defense.  NK has nukes, China is huge, has nukes and we trade with them a lot, they look different, and not only has Latin America been our bitch for the last hundred years or so outside of a few nations, it also has lots of jungles so there are the obvious Vietnam references to be made to. Europe looks too much like us and Saint Reagan said that the scary Russians are no longer scary.
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Mar 6, 2013 01:24
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North Korea doesn't have deliverable nukes, and at this point even their artillery pointed at Seoul probably doesn't work. It's that it would cause trouble for military and economic partners in the region to do anything there.
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Mar 6, 2013 01:28
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Lt. Tanaka posted:Why does a select group of politicians always want to blow up Iran? I've never understood this. Insanity. Pro-Israel to the point of placing their interests before our own. Bloodthirstiness. A fundamental misunderstanding of the gravity and horror of violence. Pick any of the above, or maybe all of them.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Because Iran won't do what we tell them too. This really is the crux of all political discussions on Iran. The entire thing stems from Iran having the temerity to try to wrest control of their country back and speak negatively of the US after we engineered a coup that overthrew their fairly liberal and democratically-elected government after they nationalized their oil fields to ensure their natural resources wouldn't be pilfered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat I was really pleased that Argo opened with such a frank discussion of what happened that didn't try to spin Iran's opposition to the US as Iran=Evil. So many people have no idea the kind of havoc the US has caused in that region of the world. Any conservative who claims "The United States always acts as a force for good in the world." needs to have this thrown the gently caress back in their face. We destroyed a democratically-elected secular government so we could pay a few percent less for their oil, and then we acted all surprised and shocked when they didn't take kindly to it. Americans - acting like entitled assholes since our founding.
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In peak poo poo That Didn't Happen tonight, Michael Savage told a story, which he insisted was true, about how he lost his socialist brainwashing from college. The story goes that he went to work for the Welfare Office after college because that was what he had been brainwashed to do, and his job was to go to the homes of people on Welfare and inventory their possessions. He said he made $5750 a year doing that "if he remembers correctly." Once he went to a woman's house, a woman named "Ms. I can't say her name or I'll be accused of racism" and took inventory. His supervisor then asked him if she had things like a bed and nightstands and a sofa and end tables and lamps, and eventually had him deliver her a check for $3500 to buy all of those things because "those are all of the things a civilized person needs to live." He then protested that he had a college degree and only had a coffee table made from cinder blocks and a board and no sofa and his supervisor said "well you're not on Welfare." He quit a couple weeks later, outraged, and has been gracing the world with his conservative dickholery ever since. People seriously believe this bullshit. The mind boggles.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:In peak poo poo That Didn't Happen tonight, Michael Savage told a story, which he insisted was true, about how he lost his socialist brainwashing from college. Of course, the answer to someone else's life becoming marginally better without them being chiefly responsible is to become angry at them and the system that allowed their life to improve. I wonder if Savage will have a moment before he leaves radio where he explains what his actual beliefs are. At least Beck and Levin are somewhat believable, Savage is just a troll like Limbaugh and Coulter.
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Tucker Carlson's online rag, the Daily Caller, probably got caught with its pants down for pushing a potentially fake smear on Sen. Bob Menendez.
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Sir Tonk posted:Of course, the answer to someone else's life becoming marginally better without them being chiefly responsible is to become angry at them and the system that allowed their life to improve. Huh? Beck has flat out said his show is just entertainment before, on several occasions, and Michael Savage is probably as close to a true believer as you're going to find in national radio. The man just hates the world, and being a conservative is like having a license to hate most of the groups of people in the country. I don't think he genuinely gives a poo poo about politics, but I do think he hates everyone/everything he says he hates.
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Sir Tonk posted:I wonder if Savage will have a moment before he leaves radio where he explains what his actual beliefs are. At least Beck and Levin are somewhat believable, Savage is just a troll like Limbaugh and Coulter. I was caught in a traffic jam on a major bridge a few years ago and decided to scan the AM dial for hilarity. I came upon what I thought was the character of a self-loathing gay man complaining about Nancy Pelosi for ten solid minutes, and I thought it was hilarious. After commercials, I found out it was Michael Savage and he was deadly serious.
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watt par posted:The methods through which they've managed to shut down clinics and defund Planned Parenthood are definitely calculated and coordinated. It's just not on the level of conspiracy since the people behind it are fairly open about their goals. Yeah, about that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7J5BoXx_I Turns out de-funding planned parenthood is going to cost the state of texas millions of taxpayer dollars due to the medical treatment needed because of the lack of women's health services that planned parenthood clinics normally provide. (Primarily in the form of an estimated 24,000 additional unwanted births.) So republicans there are backpedaling and trying to find some roundabout way to provide the same services under a different name. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Mar 6, 2013 |
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-http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/03/ashley-judd-potential-senate-candidate-sure-has-done-a-lot-of-on-screen-nudity/ OH NO GASP http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013/03/04/1665011/theatrical-slut-shaming-daily-caller-attacks-ashley-judd-for-movie-nude-scenes/ "It’s a sign of how anxious the right wing is about the possibility that Ashley Judd might run for Senate against Minority Leader Mitch McConnell that the attacks on her have geared up before she’s even formally entered the race. There’s the American Crossroads ad trying to frame her as out of touch with a series of relatively anodyne and contextless quotations. And now, the Daily Caller, which has been trying to frame Judd’s feminist beliefs as fringe, has launched the stupidest salvo against her at all: arguing that Judd, because she has done nude scenes for her work as an actress, “has—literally—nothing left to show us.” In an exceptionally gross piece, Taylor Bigler, the Caller’s Entertainment Editor (Entertainment, in Caller parlance, apparently means surfing Mr. Skin and publishing clickbait trash gossip) writes..." http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/201...he-publication/ "After the Daily Caller came under fire for publishing a story about potential Kentucky Senate Ashley Judd, Alex Pappas, a politics reporter for that site, tweeted: “Our entertainment writers write stories to entertain people. That’s all. Hilarious how you try to analyze those.” It’s a classic attempt to evade responsibility for media sexism by pleading pranksterism, but it raises a question that might be even more difficult for the Caller to answer. Calling your coverage entertainment doesn’t actually mean it’s entertaining. And Pappas’s claim seems like bald-faced dishonesty about the Caller’s actual intentions, given how in-line the publication’s coverage of Judd is with larger political attacks against her." Assepoester fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Mar 6, 2013 |
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Microsoft was just fined 3/4 of a billion US for lying to the EU regarding packaging IE with Windows. Said they would fix it but didn't, can't wait for the reactions.
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Wouldn't that just make Judd more likely to win? It's not like the AM listeners were gonna vote for her anyway (hell, some of them might after they watch some of her nude scenes). And Bill Gates is an evil liberal that gives away all of his money to foreigners. Steve Jobs was the good one, he didn't waste money trying to save Africans.
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Slo-Tek posted:It is just redmeat for the fetus people. Anybody who really matters, like the daughter of a senator or megachurch preacher can always go to canada for their abortions. So this is just taking a few swift kicks at the poor and disenfranchised, which is always good for some votes. Back when the Republicans controlled all three branches of government it used to be good fun to ask Republican voters why abortion was still legal.
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Cardboard Box A posted:-http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/03/ashley-judd-potential-senate-candidate-sure-has-done-a-lot-of-on-screen-nudity/ There is no war on women, they just don't have value beyond their bodies, and we have to maintain control over those. Is it hyperbole to take away from that statement that they think women have no value beyond their bodies? Is this why they like Palin so much?
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It's amazing how much the right wing has been flipping out over Ashley Judd considering she hasn't announced anything. They must be terrified of her.
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There was a half-hearted attempt to get Tommy Lee Jones to run for the Senate in Texas last year, but it didn't really get anywhere. I'd be very curious to see how that would pan out.
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Zewle posted:There is no war on women, they just don't have value beyond their bodies, and we have to maintain control over those. I remember when Arnold ran for governor and some people pointed our he had posed nude back during his Mister Universe days. It'll be interesting comparing the reactions.
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I'd be more interested in comparing the reactions to Scott Brown's nearly nude shots.
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PeterWeller posted:I'd be more interested in comparing the reactions to Scott Brown's nearly nude shots. Looking into the crosstabs on this one, 38% of republicans reported jacking one out to both.
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So during yesterday's drive home I'm listening to Sean Hannity and I tune in just when he has a guy on who is, in a very calm, calculating and intelligent fashion, defending his hometown of Detroit. Well Hannity did what the radio talking heads always do when someone who is articulate and actually knows what they are talking about gets thru, he cut the guy off, said that he didn't understand that Detroit was doomed, just like the U.S. under Obama. But then, Hannity went further and said, paraphrasing here: I don't know how close you are to North Dakota, but if you can, the only thing that could possibly save Detroit is fracking and drilling and you need to do that immediately because that's what will save America. So Hannity's answer to everything recently has been, do what North Dakota is doing, and he has absolutely no idea what North Dakota is even doing. I would bet that Hannity couldn't even point out where Detroit is at on a map of the U.S.
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Kalos posted:Iran's been a hair's breadth away from nuking the US and mobilizing their elite force of killdozers to literally push Israel into the sea for so long that their entire armed forces have likely collapsed from exhaustion at this point. Iran has been a hair's breadth away from doing all this for the last thirty years if you follow the news. You'd think such evil intentions would be on a better time table.
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