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rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Zombywuf posted:

Jenkins is basically a pretty front end on a bunch of build scripts you write yourself.

please reference my first comment, tia

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 10:58

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

i was a build engineer for 6 months and i would literally rather go back to work at the print shop

# ? Mar 5, 2013 21:58

ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Werthog 95 posted:

anybody post this yet https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/under-the-hood-dalvik-patch-for-facebook-for-android/10151345597798920

the list of method names in their app doesn't fit in 5 MB

instead of fixing the facebook app, they hack dalvik from the app

i got really pissed about this in the android thread last night. when it's 2013 and you're finding/editing vendor-specific memory addresses at runtime...on your runtime, there was probably already a point quite a while back where maybe using generated scala code for android based on your mobile javascript should have been reconsidered. at this point it sounds like a massive sunk cost fallacy over a code gen system that sounds pretty suspect without the runtime edidting

facebook in general doesn't seem to have any moderation in the form of someone saying "ok that's really clever and cool that you got that to work when it shouldn't, but seriously stop"

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:13

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

rotor posted:

i was a build engineer for 6 months and i would literally rather go back to work at the print shop

it ain't so bad

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:15

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

it ain't so bad
\

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:16

ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Zombywuf posted:

The comments on that are ... good.

My world is turned upside down.

the comment i restrained myself from making was along the lines of "this is awful and you should feel awful", but at the time there were like three comments and none of the particularly bad. now it looks like it have been right at home, which makes me happy

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:17

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

lol SWSP closed the Coding horrors thread

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:23

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

ultramiraculous posted:

i got really pissed about this in the android thread last night. when it's 2013 and you're finding/editing vendor-specific memory addresses at runtime...on your runtime, there was probably already a point quite a while back where maybe using generated scala code for android based on your mobile javascript should have been reconsidered. at this point it sounds like a massive sunk cost fallacy over a code gen system that sounds pretty suspect without the runtime edidting

facebook in general doesn't seem to have any moderation in the form of someone saying "ok that's really clever and cool that you got that to work when it shouldn't, but seriously stop"

eh, the fix is just for gingerbread though, i like to imagine that all the engineers but one went "oh well, only new phones get the new app", but that remaining sperg is moving heaven and earth to overcome the lovely update situation on android through random hotpatches

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:26

MeruFM: Jul 27, 2010

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

eh, the fix is just for gingerbread though, i like to imagine that all the engineers but one went "oh well, only new phones get the new app", but that remaining sperg is moving heaven and earth to overcome the lovely update situation on android through random hotpatches

I think half of android devices run on gingerbread.

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:29

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

i'm surprised people still expect java code they once wrote to run on every dalvik

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:32

Sang-: Nov 2, 2007

rotor posted:

oh, ok, so instead of 3 million methods they just have 1 million methods, that's reasonable i guess. yep, Dalviks fault.

More like everything is written in Scala (hopefully, otherwise oh dear god), where the collection inheritance hierarchy is really complicated, mostly because of traits.

So a single collection mixes in a large number of traits, where there is lots of cross over.

For example collection.immutable.Vector:

code:


final class Vector[+A](private[collection] val startIndex: Int, private[collection] val endIndex: Int, focus: Int)
extends AbstractSeq[A]
   with IndexedSeq[A]
   with GenericTraversableTemplate[A, Vector]
   with IndexedSeqLike[A, Vector[A]]
   with VectorPointer[A @uncheckedVariance]
   with Serializable
   with CustomParallelizable[A, ParVector[A]]

where IndexedSeq and AbstractSeq both, for example, mixin in SeqLike[A, Repr]

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:34

ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Hard NOP Life posted:

lol SWSP closed the Coding horrors thread

thank gently caress

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:41

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

but i didn't get a chance to show off my super awesome hash function

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:43

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

ultramiraculous posted:

i got really pissed about this in the android thread last night. when it's 2013 and you're finding/editing vendor-specific memory addresses at runtime...on your runtime, there was probably already a point quite a while back where maybe using generated scala code for android based on your mobile javascript should have been reconsidered. at this point it sounds like a massive sunk cost fallacy over a code gen system that sounds pretty suspect without the runtime edidting

facebook in general doesn't seem to have any moderation in the form of someone saying "ok that's really clever and cool that you got that to work when it shouldn't, but seriously stop"

Wait so they took their lovely slow JS, wrote a JS -> Scala translator, then somehow got that to work? Or did they write the thing over again in Scala?

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:50

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

ultramiraculous posted:

facebook in general doesn't seem to have any moderation in the form of someone saying "ok that's really clever and cool that you got that to work when it shouldn't, but seriously stop"

based on my discussions with former facebook people this seems to be a reasonably accurate assessment.

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:53

ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Malcolm XML posted:

Wait so they took their lovely slow JS, wrote a JS -> Scala translator, then somehow got that to work? Or did they write the thing over again in Scala?

actually it might be the latter. looking back, there's a chance i mis-inferred and read "moved from javascript to java" as "converted from javascript to java".

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:57

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

rotor posted:

based on my discussions with former facebook people this seems to be a reasonably accurate assessment.

~* hacker culture *~

# ? Mar 5, 2013 22:58

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

sf is weird

# ? Mar 6, 2013 01:13

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

tef posted:

sf is weird

yeah but the food's good

# ? Mar 6, 2013 01:46

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

Perl's cool, but it definitely takes me longer to stop making dumb "didn't remember the syntax correctly" mistakes after I haven't used it for a while than with most other languages. Still preferable to shell, though.

# ? Mar 6, 2013 04:50

detroit: Nov 11, 2009

whats the point of sealed classes in c#????

# ? Mar 6, 2013 05:30

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

none of your business

# ? Mar 6, 2013 05:42

abraham linksys: Sep 6, 2010

clojurescript update: still goofy as hell, still really fun. functional languages are neat-o :3:

i'm still not convinced it's viable for the browser, though, no matter how many source maps and fanciness you put on top of it. clojure is certainly more suited for working with global states (a necessity for event driven programming) and interop than other functional languages, but still, it still feels like a square peg and a round hole at times

# ? Mar 6, 2013 06:06

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Shaggar posted:

none of your business

# ? Mar 6, 2013 06:14

Deus Rex: Mar 5, 2005

abraham linksys posted:

clojurescript update: still goofy as hell, still really fun. functional languages are neat-o

i'm still not convinced it's viable for the browser, though, no matter how many source maps and fanciness you put on top of it. clojure is certainly more suited for working with global states (a necessity for event driven programming) and interop than other functional languages, but still, it still feels like a square peg and a round hole at times

Elm is pretty cool as far as experimental browser languages go, FRP works very nicely both with haskell-like syntax and semantics and with the async nature of writing for the browser

# ? Mar 6, 2013 06:41

abraham linksys: Sep 6, 2010

Deus Rex posted:

Elm is pretty cool as far as experimental browser languages go, FRP works very nicely both with haskell-like syntax and semantics and with the async nature of writing for the browser

this is blowing my mind right now. i had heard of "FRP" in passing but never made the connection that it could make things like dom binding quite this simple/magical/whatever

im also sure that it produces code that is nigh-undebuggable, but i'll play around w it soon

# ? Mar 6, 2013 07:34

Zombywuf: Mar 29, 2008

http://elm-lang.org/blog/games-in-elm/part-0/Making-Pong.html

I like how it's just wall to wall hardcoded constants everywhere.

Also, I can't find anything on the ELM site about cycle breaking.

# ? Mar 6, 2013 11:32

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

i should really read perl best practices or smth because my C++ code is infinitely better than my perl code.

# ? Mar 6, 2013 12:12

X-BUM-RAIDER-X: May 7, 2008

like i've been making some pretty bad perl code for the past 6months and i showed my manager some C++ code yesterday and he was like woa n1

# ? Mar 6, 2013 12:13

Max Facetime: Apr 18, 2009

I learned something today!

quote:

Here's a handy trick that every Elm programmer should know:
code:
{--}
add x y = x + y
--}
Just add or remove the } on the first line and you'll toggle between commented and uncommented!

this ELM trick works in java too:

Java code:

/** */
int a=1;
//*/

Java code:

/** *
int a=1;
//*/

# ? Mar 6, 2013 12:22

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:

my manager

grats on the jerb

# ? Mar 6, 2013 15:32

Jonny 290: May 5, 2005; [ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:

like i've been making some pretty bad perl code for the past 6months and i showed my manager some C++ code yesterday and he was like woa n1

psh w/e. you're not a bad a perl coder as walmart employee id x6yang whose code i have to fix 12 years later

higher order perl is really good but more algorithms/topdown
beautiful code and beautiful data are java centered but a lot of the ideas apply
e:if you dont have Errors and it works right and another perl coder can read, understand and maintain it, it's fine. yolo bitch

# ? Mar 6, 2013 16:13

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Jonny 290 posted:

e:if you dont have Errors and it works right and another perl coder can read, understand and maintain it, it's fine. yolo bitch

this goes for any programming

if it works now and might be maintainable in the future, it's fine

# ? Mar 6, 2013 16:26

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

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# ? Mar 6, 2013 16:26

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

good looking code is overrated, as long as there are reasonable abstract units with non-terrible interfaces the details aren't so important

wrote a lot of code in k, a language where this code is not really atypical (example of real shipping code from the vendor):

code:

wh:{$[#x:b[`where]c;{$[@x;x;(&)~*x;,/.z.s'1_x;,x]}x;x]};f:{$[(1<#x)&(11=t)|~t:@x;f'x;-11=t;*|`\:x;x]}
nm:{(!).+l[{($[|/(x:r j)~/:(`;","),k;{$[1<#x;.z.s x 1;-11=@x;*|`\:x;`x]}y;i x];y:x y)}x]y}
lj:{+({x!!#. x}'x),y$(0!.*x)(*!x){y[1](*y:+`\:'y)?x}'1_'z} ;lr:{a!:a:,y;b!:b:,r j+2;lj[$[x;b;a];$[x;a;b];,c r j+:3]}

basically each function is hugely troublesome to understand, but the data model is simple and as long as you document what the functions do another programmer can just rewrite it rather than trying to fix the original version if some issue crops up

well, this is perhaps not the most persuasive argument, but localized ugliness is not that bad ugliness

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FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Cocoa Crispies posted:

this goes for any programming

if it works now and might be maintainable in the future, it's fine

Until you start programming for embedded (8k processors 64k ram). Then you don't have to worry about silly poo poo like user interactions :smug:

Then my code doesn't have to be very portable or maintainable for the most part (I still try to keep it clean and documented though.) Static memory allocation no mallocs everydayyyyyy.

# ? Mar 6, 2013 17:35

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Serious Q time though: Why would I use Perl instead of C/C++? I want to learn it but so far (emphasis on so far) I haven't ran into to much that couldn't be coded almost as easily in C/C++. If there is a huge ultra mega super duper thing that makes Perl better in a certain situation than C I would like to know so I could look forward to something in my studies. :smith:

# ? Mar 6, 2013 17:39

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

i sort of suspect that you aren't appreciating some of the conveniences of perl since you are probably feeling more of a mental friction working in it than you do c/c++. keep it up for a bit. depending on your situation a pragmatic answer is cpan though, adding dependencies in c/c++ is a much more heavy-weight sort of deal than it is in perl

# ? Mar 6, 2013 17:44

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

ratbert90 posted:

Serious Q time though: Why would I use Perl instead of C/C++? I want to learn it but so far (emphasis on so far) I haven't ran into to much that couldn't be coded almost as easily in C/C++. If there is a huge ultra mega super duper thing that makes Perl better in a certain situation than C I would like to know so I could look forward to something in my studies.

my first week at work i got tasked with generating hex configuration files for a product from a spreadsheet. i read the spreadsheet with a cpan module and wrote the hex file with pack. the whole thing took a couple days, as opposed to the weeks that had been estimated. generally string handling is where perl shines, and the availability of eighteen billion cpan modules means that half your work is done for you most of the time. it really is a swiss army chain saw for one-off programs

it's useful for bigger stuff too, but the perl you'd write for a program that is going to be maintained and reused is much different than the perl you would write if you wanted to reverse all the lines in every file whose name matches /f{1,3]}\d\.bar/ or whatever

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FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Otto Skorzeny posted:

my first week at work i got tasked with generating hex configuration files for a product from a spreadsheet. i read the spreadsheet with a cpan module and wrote the hex file with pack. the whole thing took a couple days, as opposed to the weeks that had been estimated. generally string handling is where perl shines, and the availability of eighteen billion cpan modules means that half your work is done for you most of the time. it really is a swiss army chain saw for one-off programs

it's useful for bigger stuff too, but the perl you'd write for a program that is going to be maintained and reused is much different than the perl you would write if you wanted to reverse all the lines in every file whose name matches /f{1,3]}\d\.bar/ or whatever

Ah this is good to know! Now I am looking forward to learning how to string handle in a higher-functioning language. <string.h> more like <hangme.h>. Thanks!

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