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Jonny 290 posted:anyways their poo poo's super locked down and stuff like inlined/slipstreamed/whatever modules and libs will deffo fail code review. i wish i could just do that stuff and be done with it just curious, but what's the reason in this particular case? size? oss fear?
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Jonny 290 posted:oh god the regex based parser i was working on yesterday 
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Mar 7, 2013 00:22
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tef posted:this is going to sound hilariously bad, but what about you write some perl scripts to write perl scripts 
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Mar 7, 2013 00:31
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this is the sort of poo poo you get up to when you're limited by your language and platform, you autogenerate code c.f macros, autocomplete
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Mar 7, 2013 00:33
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ask me about the time I wrote a simple arithmetic evaluator and parser in xslt to work around javascript ofuscation of pricing data on webpages
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Mar 7, 2013 00:34
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tef posted:xslt is pretty neat but that's really cos of xpath. xpath is neat as hell. xpath is also the only good reason for xhtml I feel that xslt, regex, lex/yacc etc are all horrible mutant afterbirth of an elegant, easy-to-use tree transformer that I have no idea what it is
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Mar 7, 2013 00:39
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Cocoa Crispies posted:perl wasn't particularly ubiquitous in 1995 and never had a good library for handling cgi environment variables and http headers either
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Mar 7, 2013 00:39
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ultramiraculous posted:just curious, but what's the reason in this particular case? size? oss fear? insecurity. they get offended whenever we suggest they make any changes or add any tools to their network
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Mar 7, 2013 00:48
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Gazpacho posted:Sure it did, the library consisted in hacking that one cgi-mail script everyone used to do something else. Perl dominated early cgi 
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Mar 7, 2013 00:50
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Nomnom Cookie posted:xpath is also the only good reason for xhtml prolog 
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Mar 7, 2013 00:54
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im no longer really terrified by regex, just kind of roll my eyes and say OH BOY ITS REGEX TIME
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Mar 7, 2013 00:56
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Well since I messed that up heres a story: my first web app was a user driven game rating site. When someone voted the cgi handler would format a mail and send it to me. Because of quotas and permissions I had to log in every day and run another perl script on my mail file to count votes and regenerate the pages, batch mvc ftw
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Mar 7, 2013 00:58
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Jonny 290 posted:im no longer really terrified by regex, just kind of roll my eyes and say OH BOY ITS REGEX TIME the best complement you can give to regex
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Mar 7, 2013 00:59
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i edited machine code with regexes once
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Mar 7, 2013 01:02
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I've used perl & regexes to mix mpeg 2 transport streams
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Mar 7, 2013 01:04
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JawnV6 posted:i edited machine code with regexes once i wrote an assembler in clojure it was an awesome abuse of eval and macros, i feel like pg
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Mar 7, 2013 01:04
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Gazpacho posted:I've used perl & regexes to mix mpeg 2 transport streams hahaha yessssss
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Mar 7, 2013 01:06
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i think bioinformatics is definitely the random perl niche i would select to specialize in, if i was crazy enough to try to actually make a career out of perl
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Mar 7, 2013 01:07
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bioinf is slowly excruciatingly painfully transitioning to python
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Mar 7, 2013 01:08
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Jonny 290 posted:i think bioinformatics is definitely the random perl niche i would select to specialize in, if i was crazy enough to try to actually make a career out of perl http://madhadron.com/a-farewell-to-bioinformatics I’m leaving bioinformatics to go work at a software company with more technically ept people and for a lot more money. This seems like an opportune time to set forth my accumulated wisdom and thoughts on bioinformatics. My attitude towards the subject after all my work in it can probably be best summarized thus: “gently caress you, bioinformatics. Eat poo poo and die.” ... The funding of molecular biology and bioinformatics is safe, protected by a wall of inbreeding, pointless jargon, and lies. So you all can rot in your computational poo poo heap. I’m gone.
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Mar 7, 2013 01:11
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there's also a small movement to use lambda for everything how you feel about that depends on your position on functional programming and the purity of said paradigm
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Mar 7, 2013 01:11
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tef posted:http://madhadron.com/a-farewell-to-bioinformatics http://nsaunders.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/gene-name-errors-and-excel-lessons-not-learned/ quote:June 23, 2004. BMC Bioinformatics publishes “Mistaken Identifiers: Gene name errors can be introduced inadvertently when using Excel in bioinformatics”. We roll our eyes. Do people really do that? Is it really worthy of publication? However, we admit that if it happens then it’s good that people know about it.
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Mar 7, 2013 01:13
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trex eaterofcadrs posted:i wrote an assembler in clojure The other day I was thinking that it might be cool to teach people Scheme, and then to have them write a simple 6502 or whatever assembler in it as a project, and use that as a jumping off point into machine language. Then I figured that was dumb. Scheme and 6502's are both really fun though
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Mar 7, 2013 01:22
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i traded an old fpga for an arduino and some accessories for it hella mad at how easy it was to get up & go. installing drivers for the drat thing took longer than coding ultrasonic rangefinding
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VanillaKid posted:The other day I was thinking that it might be cool to teach people Scheme, and then to have them write a simple 6502 or whatever assembler in it as a project, and use that as a jumping off point into machine language. Make them write the evaluator and then the compiler that goes with it 
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Mar 7, 2013 01:25
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Tiny Bug Child posted:"type safety" is dumb because "types" are a fake idea http://danuxx.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/unauthorized-access-bypassing-php-strcmp.html quote:This is because on error strcmp() returns NULL, which when using the type-unsafe equality comparison operator == evaluates to 0, as will any string and any number value >0<1.
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Mar 7, 2013 02:17
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thats only an issue 1% of the time 
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Mar 7, 2013 02:19
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rasmus lerdorf is actually a spammer and he developed php to increase the supply of hacked servers. every single thing about php is "if you do it this very specific way it's secure" and doing anything the way that makes sense is a security flaw. some "features" like register_globals were too obvious so the php team had to deprecate them but they refused to remove them...for backwards compatibility! when a php committer says "backwards compatibility" they mean "my seo network of hacked wordpress installations" we're through the looking glass, people 
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VanillaKid posted:The other day I was thinking that it might be cool to teach people Scheme, and then to have them write a simple 6502 or whatever assembler in it as a project, and use that as a jumping off point into machine language. i've considered what a scheme & c dual course would look like, writing a simple scheme interpreter in C and learning the elements of scheme to implement as you go. i guess you could then write a compiler for C in scheme that compiled to assembly.
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Mar 7, 2013 03:30
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tef posted:i've considered what a scheme & c dual course would look like, writing a simple scheme interpreter in C and learning the elements of scheme to implement as you go. i guess you could then write a compiler for C in scheme that compiled to assembly. it's sort of cruel to make people write a compiler in scheme or ml after writing one in c. unless your goal is to make people avoid c forever.
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i wouldnt wanna write a c compiler maybe a c subset compiler or something
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i've toyed with designing a compiler course around some small c-with-modules thing, multiple pass but an actual cfg. the final would be to make it self-hosting. i think a lot of compiler courses spend too much time on formal languages and parsing and not nearly enough on building something that isn't just a 2 MB compiler.y file.
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Null Pointer posted:it's sort of cruel to make people write a compiler in scheme or ml after writing one in c. unless your goal is to make people avoid c forever. a noble goal
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Null Pointer posted:2 MB compiler.y file. does this mean they aren't even getting as far as having an abstract syntax?
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Mar 7, 2013 04:21
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Carthag posted:thats only an issue 1% of the time
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Nomnom Cookie posted:some "features" like register_globals were too obvious so the php team had to deprecate them but they refused to remove them...for backwards compatibility! no. they took r_g out. so now nobody is ever going to upgrade to 5.4 because of that completely retarded decision
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Mar 7, 2013 04:37
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Tiny Bug Child posted:no. they took r_g out. so now nobody is ever going to upgrade to 5.4 because of that completely retarded decision I love you tbc, never stop posting, gently caress the haters
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crazypenguin posted:does this mean they aren't even getting as far as having an abstract syntax? of course not. most courses are still based on some pl/0 dialect specifically because it can be compiled in a single pass which a lot of people think is easier for learners. ofc they tweak it just enough to fight plagiarism, with a few bonus sr and rr conflicts thrown in to give the A students something to do.
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tef posted:The funding of molecular biology and bioinformatics is safe, protected by a wall of inbreeding, pointless jargon, and lies. So you all can rot in your computational poo poo heap. I’m gone. the follow-up is good too http://madhadron.com/public-comments-considered-harmful There’s a name for this in circles that study human behavior: group monkey dance. You should follow that link and read Rory’s article on it, and probably Rory’s books, too, but here’s a quick summary: human violence follows patterns. Most fist fights occur in the same way. Married couples will have the same arguments year after year. And social groups will turn on an outsider or perceived betrayer with a brutality that most of the group members would never display individually.
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Null Pointer posted:of course not. most courses are still based on some pl/0 dialect specifically because it can be compiled in a single pass which a lot of people think is easier for learners. ofc they tweak it just enough to fight plagiarism, with a few bonus sr and rr conflicts thrown in to give the A students something to do. this sounds awful. I did compilers with appel's tiger book. I guess I didn't realize how good that is.
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