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I guess you have a point.me posted:Not my Trek!  I look forward to seeing how that particular scenario unfolds!
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Mar 8, 2013 19:14
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Mogomra posted:Yeah, I get that people like a good foot chase in their action movies, but how do they get around the fact that they have transporters, and foot chases make absolutely no sense at all in Star Trek? An electromagnetic variance in the atmosphere reversed the polarity of the shields which are up and can't be taken down because of a singularity inside the dilithium crystals which is causing a warp core breach made of tachyons. Pretty basic, really.
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Gyges posted:An electromagnetic variance in the atmosphere reversed the polarity of the shields which are up and can't be taken down because of a singularity inside the dilithium crystals which is causing a warp core breach made of tachyons. Pretty basic, really. Didn't everyone take the required Basic Warp Theory class in the academy? The second chapter is called 'Bullshit Warp Terminology'
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Mar 8, 2013 19:22
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Gyges posted:An electromagnetic variance in the atmosphere reversed the polarity of the shields which are up and can't be taken down because of a singularity inside the dilithium crystals which is causing a warp core breach made of tachyons. Pretty basic, really. It's the "Pretty basic, really" which renders the entirety of that babble in a Zapp Brannigan voice.
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Mar 8, 2013 19:24
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Mogomra posted:Yeah, I get that people like a good foot chase in their action movies, but how do they get around the fact that they have transporters, and foot chases make absolutely no sense at all in Star Trek? MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Mar 8, 2013 |
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Mar 8, 2013 20:53
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MadScientistWorking posted:You do realize that they telegraphed what the hell happens so baddly that you should know the answer by now especially considering that the scene occurs well into the movie. Best guess that doesn't involve technobable is that whatever blows up the Enterprise probably blows out all the transporters. That still sucks. When you spend time generating contrivances to get around how the universe you're writing for invalidates the action scene you're so desperate to write because it just doesn't fit, you're making things suck. I know we don't know that's what happens, but.
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Mar 8, 2013 21:01
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AlternateAccount posted:That still sucks. When you spend time generating contrivances to get around how the universe you're writing for invalidates the action scene you're so desperate to write because it just doesn't fit, you're making things suck. The only reason to include any technology in a setting which trivializes something like speedy movement is to increase the drama when it burns out. In Star Trek this is quadrupled because every single bit of technology exists to create drama when it fails. Shields? Drama. Teleport? Drama. Holodeck? So much loving drama. Technology is boring when it works properly and should fail the second it would make a scene more exciting. Make it explode, have it sabotouged, make the enemy block it, whatever it takes. Star Trek thrives on that stuff. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 8, 2013 |
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Mar 8, 2013 21:05
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AlternateAccount posted:That still sucks. When you spend time generating contrivances to get around how the universe you're writing for invalidates the action scene you're so desperate to write because it just doesn't fit, you're making things suck.
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Mar 8, 2013 21:19
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MadScientistWorking posted:That isn't a contrivance. Blowing up 
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Mar 8, 2013 21:27
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Mogomra posted:I totally understand where you coming from, but I fixed that for you because I still think it's just silly. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Mar 8, 2013 |
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Mar 8, 2013 21:36
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ImpAtom posted:Technology is boring when it works properly and should fail the second it would make a scene more exciting. Make it explode, have it sabotouged, make the enemy block it, whatever it takes. Star Trek thrives on that stuff. Mission: Impossible: Ghost: Protocol used this idea well throughout the entire movie and was way better for it.
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Mar 8, 2013 21:41
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Drama comes from people being outside of their comfort zone. It's why the TNG episode Disaster is just so good, they lose every piece of technology they have and must make do. Put people in situations they hate, like Ripley going back to LV-426 in Aliens, or throw them into situations they've never experienced before like everyone else in Aliens.  In a universe built around the idea of magical technology, like Star Trek is, one of the easiest drama-accelerators is to remove some useful piece of technology. The warp core shuts down (or goes into overdrive), the transporters can't resolve, the fancy weapon systems are useless, whatever. That's Trek, and it always has been Trek.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:In a universe built around the idea of magical technology, like Star Trek is, one of the easiest drama-accelerators is to remove some useful piece of technology. The warp core shuts down (or goes into overdrive), the transporters can't resolve, the fancy weapon systems are useless, whatever. That's Trek, and it always has been Trek. Yeah, The rules of Star Trek are basically two things: The first rule is that they have a technology which allows every situation that is interesting to occur This includes creating life, time travel, teleportation, resurrecting the dead, cloning, evolving into different creatures, instant communication across insane distances, transportation to other dimensions, and literally anything else you can imagine. Technology in ST is interchangeable with magic because it exists to facilitate interesting stories. That technology will fail the second it prevents an interesting situation from occurring, because otherwise any possible source of drama is murdered in the crib and Star Trek is more interested in drama than a technologically coherent universe. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Mar 8, 2013 |
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Mar 8, 2013 21:58
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Wasn't there an episode in the original series where the transporters were out, and they just ignored the fact that they had shuttlecraft? Like, straight up pretended that they didn't exist?
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The Dark One posted:Wasn't there an episode in the original series where the transporters were out, and they just ignored the fact that they had shuttlecraft? Like, straight up pretended that they didn't exist? Are you thinking of The Galileo Seven, where they're stranded on that planet? They just said there were storms and they couldn't land. e - forgot how much The Galileo Seven owns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I4NtO6ieKM penismightier fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 8, 2013 |
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Mar 8, 2013 22:06
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The Dark One posted:Wasn't there an episode in the original series where the transporters were out, and they just ignored the fact that they had shuttlecraft? Like, straight up pretended that they didn't exist? Well in First Contact they could've reached the shuttle bay at any time to stop the Borg from using the deflector dish but for some reason didn't. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
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The Dark One posted:Wasn't there an episode in the original series where the transporters were out, and they just ignored the fact that they had shuttlecraft? Like, straight up pretended that they didn't exist?
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Mar 8, 2013 23:20
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Oh, that episode! It always wasn't really a big deal because they had never mentioned the shuttles before in the series.
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Mar 8, 2013 23:23
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I think it was actually Shore Leave. Memory Alpha says it was produced after The Galileo Seven, but aired one episode earlier.
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FrensaGeran posted:Well in First Contact they could've reached the shuttle bay at any time to stop the Borg from using the deflector dish but for some reason didn't. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Picard has a throwaway line "We can't get to deflector control, or a shuttlecraft."
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Oh man, those better not be the only good Bones moments in the film! 
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Mar 9, 2013 21:53
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh man, those better not be the only good Bones moments in the film! Every moment with Bones is a good Bones moment
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Mar 9, 2013 21:56
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We've got "punch it" before going to warp, and a ship that reminds me an awful lot of the Millennium Falcon. I don't know what to think about that. Edit: and pointy spaceships. There were also pointy spaceships.
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Mar 9, 2013 22:15
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LividLiquid posted:We've got "punch it" before going to warp, and a ship that reminds me an awful lot of the Millennium Falcon. I don't know what to think about that. Jjabrams likes Star Wars a lot.
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Mar 9, 2013 22:16
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bobkatt013 posted:Every moment with Bones is a good good Bones moment And the first movie was offensively short on them. 
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A Doomed Purloiner posted:Picard has a throwaway line "We can't get to deflector control, or a shuttlecraft." He says that, but they totally can. They give updates on which decks the Borg have reached and even till the end the shuttlebay is totally available.
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Mar 9, 2013 22:31
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FrensaGeran posted:He says that, but they totally can. They give updates on which decks the Borg have reached and even till the end the shuttlebay is totally available.
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Mar 9, 2013 22:43
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Borg magic is stronger than Federation magic.
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Mar 9, 2013 23:18
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LividLiquid posted:We've got "punch it" before going to warp, and a ship that reminds me an awful lot of the Millennium Falcon. I don't know what to think about it's a callback to Pike saying it in the 2009 movie.
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Mar 9, 2013 23:55
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Timby posted:it's a callback to Pike saying it in the 2009 movie. "Punch it" is the new "Engage." 
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Mar 10, 2013 01:13
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Astroman posted:"Punch it" is the new "Engage." Man, time travel sure screws up a lot.
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Mar 10, 2013 02:07
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 Karl Urban has never looked Bones-ier than in this picture. Seriously good stuff.
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Mar 10, 2013 02:28
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bobkatt013 posted:Every moment with Bones is a good Bones moment Seriously. I have no faith this movie will be good, but I'll buy a ticket to watch Urban just nail it.
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I love that the uniform fabric is made up of thousands of little Starfleet emblems. Look at all that glorious light. There's a lot of things I don't like about new Trek, but the glossier, luminous side of the aesthetic is not one of them. And Urban just looks spot on in that frame. I hope they make these films for another 30 years so we can get legit old Urban being bones.
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echoplex posted:I hope they make these films for another 30 years so we can get legit old Urban being bones. Ugh, I wish I were that lucky.
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Mar 10, 2013 14:23
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echoplex posted:I hope they make these films for another 30 years so we can get legit old Urban being bones. He'll be there to help launch the Enterprise-Z on the premiere episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation12.
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Mister Kingdom posted:He'll be there to help launch the Enterprise-Z on the premiere episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation12. Along with the 11 other Boneses they've gone through via logarithmic-scale reboots by then, right?
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