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Police Academy III: Nov 4, 2011

checked exceptions would be great if the default behaviour was to just silently annotate your method with the appropriate exceptions instead of bitching and moaning because you had the gall to try to read a keypress without handling the possibility that the user's keyboard suddenly exploded or w/e

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Police Academy III posted:

checked exceptions would be great if the default behaviour was to just silently annotate your method with the appropriate exceptions instead of bitching and moaning because you had the gall to try to read a keypress without handling the possibility that the user's keyboard suddenly exploded or w/e

that's no good cause you need to decide if you want to handle them or not.

tef posted:

java put them in for a lack of foresight and c# took them out because of hindsight

wrong. java did it right the first time

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:15

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

c# guy: checked exceptions are a nice idea that doesn't work. we'll add them to c# when we find a way that doesn't lead to fragile code

java guy: this new feature seems like a good idea let's mash it in anyway

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

checked exceptions work fine.

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:15

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Police Academy III posted:

checked exceptions would be great if the default behaviour was to just silently annotate your method with the appropriate exceptions instead of bitching and moaning because you had the gall to try to read a keypress without handling the possibility that the user's keyboard suddenly exploded or w/e

how are you supposed to make work for java programmers unless you make them deal with compiler bureaucracy?

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

only a planger would think understanding and handling error states is bureaucracy

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Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

the solution is a better type system hth

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:17

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

"leave the exception to runtime, the user will handle it" - unchecked exceptions

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:17

Police Academy III: Nov 4, 2011

Shaggar posted:

that's no good cause you need to decide if you want to handle them or not.

yeah, im deciding not to and i don't want the autistic compiler to demand i explicitly tell it every time i don't want to handle KeyBoardIsActuallyAGoatException

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:17

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Shaggar posted:

only a planger would think understanding and handling error states is bureaucracy

Java code:

public static void fartz() {
  throw new Exception("fart");
}

that the compiler requires you to declare what you do one line later is the definition of bureaucracy

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:18

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Malcolm XML posted:

the solution is a better type system hth

our goal is to get the type system down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:18

spongeh: Mar 22, 2009; BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION

Jonny 290 posted:

if you run out of heap just restart quake.exe with --heapsize=32000 and you're good

quake brazenly defied wherever that standard came from by using single dashes for long option names.

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

auto-throwing exceptions isnt any different from unchecked exceptions.

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:18

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Cocoa Crispies posted:

Java code:
public static void fartz() {
  throw new Exception("fart");
}
that the compiler requires you to declare what you do one line later is the definition of bureaucracy

if ur the only one who will ever use that method then ok yeah maybe sure. but if that's the case you can probably come up with a better design. if you aren't the only person using it then yes they should be made aware that it can be thrown.

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:20

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

"I like functional programming because functions are black boxes!! if you want to figure out what exceptions my function will throw, read the function!!"

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:20

ymgve: Jan 2, 2004; Offensive Clock

I just do

public static void main(String[] args) throws IOException

(then again the only thing I use Java for is algorithm contests)

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:23

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Shaggar posted:

"leave the exception to runtime, the user will handle it" - unchecked exceptions

meanwhile: in java land - pokemon exception handling

imagine I have a picture of joe armstrong crying

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:23

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

tef posted:

pokemon exception handling

idgi

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:24

Police Academy III: Nov 4, 2011

reminder that java was literally invented by a pedophile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Naughton

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:24

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Shaggar posted:

I went to jboss world once and it was such a massive waste of time, much like jboss.

you know who else uses jboss

(just postin' to say: lol blackberry)

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:25

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

Gazpacho posted:

idgi

gotta catch em all

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:26

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

tef posted:

meanwhile: in java land - pokemon exception handling

imagine I have a picture of joe armstrong crying

yeah java is written by people who need software to work

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:26

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Shaggar posted:

yeah java is written by people who need software to work

huh, turns out my last post is actually relevant to this conversation

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:27

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Shaggar posted:

I am perfectly happy to stand on a math major's back but I don't want to hear his options about it.

the word you were looking for is 'opinions', and you wanted the singluar rather than the plural

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:27

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

ugh. ie10 has auto correct and its constantly loving me up cause I make lots of typos

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:28

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

try {
thread.close();
} except (Shaggared again) {
// do nothing
}

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:29

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

but no it would be opinions, not the singular. math majors have many opinions and most of them are wrong.

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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Shaggar posted:

ugh. ie10 has auto correct and its constantly loving me up cause I make lots of typos

lol autocomplete loving up your text

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:30

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

I make a lot of really bad typos.

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:32

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

Shaggar posted:

ugh. ie10 has auto correct and its constantly loving me up cause I make lots of typos

think of it as intellisense for your browser

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

intellisense doesn't autocorrect. also eclipse's intellisense is better than vs's.

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:33

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

that and most lines of java achieve nothing anyway, so autocompleting can't really do anything bad

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Vanadium: Jan 8, 2005

boost's exception library is the best, c++ exceptions own, etc

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:42

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

tef posted:

that and most lines of java achieve nothing anyway, so autocompleting can't really do anything bad

like my posting

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:42

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

comedy post extolling the virtues of the common lisp conditions & restarts

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:44

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

Vanadium posted:

boost's exception library is the best, c++ exceptions own, etc

-fno-exceptions yeah I live dangerously

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:52

Unless: Jul 24, 2005; I art

I need the authoritative book/textbook on database theory. Recommendations?

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:57

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

the manga guide to databases

# ? Mar 20, 2013 22:59

Posting Principle: Dec 10, 2011; by Ralp

i'm looking for a schema, it can't be first normal formu

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prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Unless posted:

I need the authoritative book/textbook on database theory. Recommendations?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Manifesto

these guys will tell you that null should not be used, and when you read their arguments, you end up agreeing with them

but this is just for making you think about databases, as opposed to getting actual poo poo done with real-world products

# ? Mar 20, 2013 23:03

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