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ce gars posted:Found millionaire mom's twitter account linked directly from her business' website: https://twitter.com/fundher Judging by the fact that she sent out tweets to Ellen, I'm thinking her game isn't getting money (why would she need that?), but she's angling for attention or a reality show. She's pretty media-savvy, I'll give her that.
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PooBoots posted:Judging by the fact that she sent out tweets to Ellen, I'm thinking her game isn't getting money (why would she need that?), but she's angling for attention or a reality show. She's pretty media-savvy, I'll give her that. I think the forming consensus at this point is that the money really didn't matter, it was all just a bid to drum up some PR for her own crowd-funding site and profiting on gender issues was just a nice bonus. As of right now the project is still going, but with the flood of reports it's been getting from NeoGAF and Reddit and 4chan users all weekend it seems likely it'll be taken down. If not we might as well call Kickstarter done right here and now for the precedents it'd set.
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Drakkel posted:As of right now the project is still going, but with the flood of reports it's been getting from NeoGAF and Reddit and 4chan users all weekend it seems likely it'll be taken down. If not we might as well call Kickstarter done right here and now for the precedents it'd set. What precedents? Some people are idiots and willing to give their money to the most ridiculous things, and then other people take it far to personally that people are spending their money on ridiculous things. That's not news. I can't see how this is different to anything else on Kickstarter. Ultimately it's a marketplace, people fund things they think are good and don't fund things they think are objectionable. That anyone has given money to this is a bit upsetting to me, but it's their money, who am I to say that they're spending it badly.  They're totally spending it badly.
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The precedent is that her project is breaking many, many of Kickstarter's Terms of Service. The most obvious are that this is pretty blatantly a "Fund My Life" project and she's been Twitter spamming out the wazoo. These are both purported to be big no-no's on KS, but who knows at this point.
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That precedent has already been set. Kickstarter, in theory, vets the projects before they go out, as I understand it. If that's the sign of the beginning of the end, the end has already begun. I didn't know Twitter spamming was against the ToS though. That's a surprise, they themselves suggest tweeting about it whenever you pledge for something.
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Another precedent would be the Penny Arcade kickstarter - "Give us LOTS of money for removing one banner ad", and also a slew of "ironic" rewards. One might argue this is not a clearly defined project, with a tangible product coming out at the other end. But given that KS let that one through because it made wagonloads of cash, I'm honestly doubtful their reputation is worth enough to them to cancel lil' Mackenzie's camp adventure.
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CottonWolf posted:it's their money, who am I to say that they're spending it badly. Someone with more than three braincells huddling together for warmth in the cold, inky blackness of your skull. What you should be asking instead is who you are to tell them how to spend their money.
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Jedit posted:Someone with more than three braincells huddling together for warmth in the cold, inky blackness of your skull. What you should be asking instead is who you are to tell them how to spend their money. That's more or less what I meant, yeah. And hell, if supporting that kid makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside, good for them.
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According to the new update, Kickstarter is behind them 100%! Of course, those emails were sent Friday before this blew up so who knows what's coming down the pipe. If they don't pull this though, wow, that's a pretty insane PR fuckup. 
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CottonWolf posted:That precedent has already been set. Kickstarter, in theory, vets the projects before they go out, as I understand it. If that's the sign of the beginning of the end, the end has already begun. I didn't know Twitter spamming was against the ToS though. That's a surprise, they themselves suggest tweeting about it whenever you pledge for something. That isn't quite the same as being the person looking for funding spamming people about it. Also, the girl can't go to that overnight camp anyway, because she's too young. http://www.internaldrive.com/why-id/overnight-summer-camp-options-at-our-computer-camps/ quote:
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Perhaps that little girls birthday is coming up before the camp, which will qualify her since she is 9 now. Or maybe that mom is planning this camp for after she turns 10 somewhere down the line. Yeah, took me 5 seconds to come up with those excuses right here on the spot, I'm sure the Mom will have a similar excuse ready when someone asks about it.
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Drakkel posted:I think the forming consensus at this point is that the money really didn't matter, it was all just a bid to drum up some PR for her own crowd-funding site and profiting on gender issues was just a nice bonus. Kickstarter cancelling a project because one of the people involved had "too much money" would be pure poison to their brand image considering that two of their most successful kickstarts were from a critically- and financially-successful game development studio and a movie being produced by Warner Bros. miguelito posted:Another precedent would be the Penny Arcade kickstarter - "Give us LOTS of money for removing one banner ad", and also a slew of "ironic" rewards. Oh man, that was great. They were so full of themselves that they made stretch goals reaching into the millions and didn't come close to making most of them 
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Starting a Kickstarter to send your iPhone on a camp*. Or even your Ouya, if you pay double. * Camp may or may not be located in my basement. Damage caused by humidity does not constitute grounds for refunds.
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Is your iPhone being tragically oppressed by those evil Samsung devices you own? Do you have sappy photos of your iPhone? Do you have a catalog of 4000 iPhone-related fluff news sites queued up for twittering?
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Kickstarter cancelling a project because one of the people involved had "too much money" would be pure poison to their brand image considering that two of their most successful kickstarts were from a critically- and financially-successful game development studio and a movie being produced by Warner Bros. The thing is that they weren't upfront about their money. The Veronica Mars guy or Penny Arcade or Double Fine didn't hide that they had a lot of money already, the lady doing the "oh I need money to send my daughter to camp" did.
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I reckon there's an good chance of her cancelling the KS in a few days' time, claiming it was due to harassment, then shopping the story around to every news outlet and blog she can find in a bid for more exposure.
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DoctorTristan posted:I reckon there's an good chance of her cancelling the KS in a few days' time, claiming it was due to harassment, then shopping the story around to every news outlet and blog she can find in a bid for more exposure. Considering she's already tweeting it at everyone she can I imagine this is going to be the case. Or she'll just take all the money people donated because Kickstarter doesn't give a gently caress, and save herself 900 dollars (or however much it has reached, I haven't looked since it was first posted). If she had been up front about how rich she was I'd like to think it wouldn't be successful, but there is a lot of god drat stupid people out there willing to pay for just about anything. I wonder if backers will get a copy of her daughters incredible RPG when she has finished camp?
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Install Gentoo posted:The thing is that they weren't upfront about their money. The Veronica Mars guy or Penny Arcade or Double Fine didn't hide that they had a lot of money already, the lady doing the "oh I need money to send my daughter to camp" did. Nah. While we all find it reprehensible that a wealthy person would ask for handouts to send their daughter to camp, I don't think Kickstarter cares (or even should care) about that. The Twitter spamming and "Fund My Life" garbage are the things that Kickstarter should actually care about. EDIT: In response to Sid, I saw the bidding peak at over $22,000 before all the backlash blew up yesterday. It has since gone down to about $21,000, so at the very least, the backlash has reversed her momentum. There's essentially no chance of enough people paying attention to rescind all of their bids and fall below the $829 goal, though, so I really hope Kickstarter decides to pull it. Either way, I will continue to keep an eye on this glorious shitstorm. DeepDickPizza has a new favorite as of 21:59 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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DoctorTristan posted:I reckon there's an good chance of her cancelling the KS in a few days' time, claiming it was due to harassment, then shopping the story around to every news outlet and blog she can find in a bid for more exposure. But that would make it really easy to shill her own crowdfunding site, fundher.com, a safe place free from the kinds of harassment found on kickstarter, so I'm sure she wouldn't dream of something like that.
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Courtesy of NeoGaf: In her recent update she claims that a "John" from kickstarter sent her an email stating there was nothing wrong with her project, and copied the email into the update:quote:Yet: http://www.kickstarter.com/team?ref=footer Kickstarter does not employ anyone named John. I wonder what the fallout from this will be, assuming Kickstarter is even aware of the shitstorm brewing. Rime has a new favorite as of 23:23 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Kickstarter cancelling a project because one of the people involved had "too much money" would be pure poison to their brand image considering that two of their most successful kickstarts were from a critically- and financially-successful game development studio and a movie being produced by Warner Bros. I don't think you're being entirely fair. The idea was to be able to run their entire business with no ads on their website, and that's the money they figured they needed to pull that off. This wasn't "give us 2 million dollars for making webcomics," it was "we want to see how ad free we can make the site while still paying employees."
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CottonWolf posted:I didn't know Twitter spamming was against the ToS though. That's a surprise, they themselves suggest tweeting about it whenever you pledge for something. The TOS specifically refers to spamming links to specific people unsolicited, which is exactly what Ms Wilson did. The twitter feed for her website is just a wall of the same tweet linking to the Kickstarter page sent to any female celebrity she could think of. Lady Gaga, Ellen Degeneres, etc.
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I kind of want that kickstarter to fail for a number of reasons but at the same time if the camp is as lovely as that one dude is saying then I want to see people's reactions when the "game" isn't even like 4 rooms.
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w00tmonger posted:Cant decide if awful or great? Probably awful. Why don't they show anyone lighting or even using the pipe? (there is that one shot in darkness, but really?) Also aspirational marketing for a belt buckle, come on.
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Call me stupid, but this just sounds like a parent being... well, a parent. The daughter probably came up with the ridiculous idea to go to camp, the mother being semi-intelligent shot it down and asked the daughter to read documentation herself, the brothers laughed at it, the daughter complained, the mother said she will help her daughter but if only the daughter can pay her back, and they turned to kickstarter for free money while teaching the daughter how to market herself (currently, the ideal would be as a victim). Once the kickstarter blew up, the mother spammed celebrities saying "look at how cool my daughter is" to both bolster her own reputation and get her daughter whatever bonuses she can. Literally everybody comes out of this better off than when they went in, except for every single person letting their blood boil because "MILLIONAIRES DON'T NEED MY MONIES."
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Kickstarter cancelling a project because one of the people involved had "too much money" would be pure poison to their brand image considering that two of their most successful kickstarts were from a critically- and financially-successful game development studio and a movie being produced by Warner Bros. The major point is not that the mother is rich, but obviously violates the rules that kickstarter has lay down. An emphasis was placed because the mother is in fact rich, but it's not the reason people want the site to boot the project.
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Ernutetnoiraud posted:Call me stupid, but this just sounds like a parent being... well, a parent. The daughter probably came up with the ridiculous idea to go to camp, the mother being semi-intelligent shot it down and asked the daughter to read documentation herself, the brothers laughed at it, the daughter complained, the mother said she will help her daughter but if only the daughter can pay her back, and they turned to kickstarter for free money while teaching the daughter how to market herself (currently, the ideal would be as a victim). Once the kickstarter blew up, the mother spammed celebrities saying "look at how cool my daughter is" to both bolster her own reputation and get her daughter whatever bonuses she can. Stupid. You asked for it. I don't like name calling, but I don't want you to feel bad that no one called you that.
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Ernutetnoiraud posted:Call me stupid, but this just sounds like a parent being... well, a parent. The daughter probably came up with the ridiculous idea to go to camp, the mother being semi-intelligent shot it down and asked the daughter to read documentation herself, the brothers laughed at it, the daughter complained, the mother said she will help her daughter but if only the daughter can pay her back, and they turned to kickstarter for free money while teaching the daughter how to market herself (currently, the ideal would be as a victim). Once the kickstarter blew up, the mother spammed celebrities saying "look at how cool my daughter is" to both bolster her own reputation and get her daughter whatever bonuses she can. It's exploitative and dishonest, she had 5 other campaigns, including one where she wants people to give her money to build a comic book shop because her kids want to play Magic the Gathering. She's selling towels as capes. I just have a low tolerance for obvious fakeass bullshit. Devoyniche has a new favorite as of 22:55 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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evilcrusher2 posted:The major point is not that the mother is rich, but obviously violates the rules that kickstarter has lay down. An emphasis was placed because the mother is in fact rich, but it's not the reason people want the site to boot the project. No, the major point is that the mother is rich. How many kickstarters have we seen in this and the prior thread that were essentially the same thing and yet were funded without a hiccup? People laughed and moved on. The fact is, this kickstarter is the perfect intersection point between "Shameless exploitation of victimization" and "Not even needing the money" that put people over the edge. This would have blown over at any other time if Donglegate hadn't happened simultaneously, or if the video had a girl who couldn't string two words together properly asking for it nicely, while promising to release a game (and we've seen that latter exact kickstarter before). Everyone's quick to hop on their high horse to get a tame kickstarter kicked off, but violating kickstarter's rules on pornography (i.e. funding a pornography game by co-developing a clean version), or having mold shipped in BBQ sauce containers, are both not grounds for a mass revolt, right? Let's call a spade a spade, here. evilcrusher2 posted:Stupid. You asked for it. I don't like name calling, but I don't want you to feel bad that no one called you that. Thanks. I'd hate for my request to be left out hanging.  Devoyniche posted:It's exploitative and dishonest, she had 5 other campaigns, one including where she wants people to give her money to build a comic book shop because her kids want to play Magic the Gathering. She's selling towels as capes. I just have a low tolerance for obvious fakeass bullshit. And I don't disagree with you at all. But I much prefer this kickstarter to the alternative outright-lie kickstarter where the only explicit reason for needing the money is game development costs. At some point, the lady and her daughter were very honest about where their money is going, so there really is no "scam" to be found here. Ernie. has a new favorite as of 22:54 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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DoctorTristan posted:I reckon there's an good chance of her cancelling the KS in a few days' time, claiming it was due to harassment, then shopping the story around to every news outlet and blog she can find in a bid for more exposure. So who would she go to regarding retaliation against her tormentors? How do you punish a million anonymous people that all agree your idea is bullshit? Congrats people, we've invented crowdsourced bullying. 
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Ernutetnoiraud posted:No, the major point is that the mother is rich. Then don't expect it to come down if that is the argument you want to use. I do agree that is why it has caught a lot of attention, and even when I blogged it, that was the titling used to capture attention. But I don't use that to argue taking down the project, being it isn't a good reason. Breaking the rules seems to be the best reason to have it taken down. Ernutetnoiraud posted:At some point, the lady and her daughter were very honest about where their money is going, so there really is no "scam" to be found here. evilcrusher2 has a new favorite as of 23:26 on Mar 25, 2013 |
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/584273481/hungrometer-because-the-body-knows?ref=category This is what America has been reduced to. We need a little meter to tell ourselves how hungry we are.
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Waffleman_ posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/584273481/hungrometer-because-the-body-knows?ref=category It should be the "Hungary Meter" - you manually slide it when you feel like you've gotten closer or farther away from Hungary or being Hungarian.
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DeepDickPizza posted:Luckily, I believe that is the same RPG Maker camp. Unfortunately, according to this comment from a counselor that someone posted to that Kickstarter from the IGN boards, it seems like that camp is pretty much a worthless scam, as well. There's just layer upon layer of scamming going on here. They're very obviously stylizing it as iD and not ID so that they can try to pretend they're related to iD games, makers of fine doom games. Blagh this whole thing makes me  so hard  I really hate people some times.A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I wonder if id Software would be able to take that camp to court over the name since it doesn't look like they're affiliated. It might be just distinct enough, or otherwise iD probably just doesn't care to sue a kids' camp, that's bad publicity. Still, this is pretty abusive to people who think they might be learning to program from John Carmack or something
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Ernutetnoiraud posted:Everyone's quick to hop on their high horse to get a tame kickstarter kicked off, but violating kickstarter's rules on pornography (i.e. funding a pornography game by co-developing a clean version), or having mold shipped in BBQ sauce containers, are both not grounds for a mass revolt, right? Let's call a spade a spade, here.
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Waffleman_ posted:http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/584273481/hungrometer-because-the-body-knows?ref=category That meter is so scientific, from very very hungry to kinda hungry to maybe hungry to starved to "neutral" to a tad hungry to somewhat neutral get a thesaurus
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