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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-09-homesick-dev-chloe-sagal-successfully-crowd-funding-life-saving-operation Metal poisoning scammer Chloe Sagal successfully funded her "life saving" surgery. Then IG shut down her campaign because it's obviously a loving scam.
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Apr 10, 2013 21:14
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The fallout from this is going to be beautiful.
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Apr 10, 2013 22:43
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Babe Magnet posted:The fallout from this is going to be beautiful. Can't you see, it's clearly all part of the US-Pharmo-Industrial Complex trying to shut her down!  Don't you know they just want you to stay sick so they can make money?!
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Apr 10, 2013 23:07
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The 'voice issue' in that video is literally what a 5 year old does when they pretend they're sick..
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Apr 10, 2013 23:19
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Babe Magnet posted:The fallout from this is going to be beautiful. I wonder how they will explain how these algorithms detected a scam, when all you really needed was common sense. Maybe it's so they can try avoiding being sued, on account of maths.
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Apr 10, 2013 23:21
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There is no loving way that a 'fraud algorithm' was used to evaluate that particular fundraiser. What a load of crap.
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Apr 10, 2013 23:33
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Indiegogo: "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that scams are going on at Indiegogo" Paypal: "Here are your cut of the fees from the paypal payment Indiegogo" Indiegogo: "Why thank you!"  Autechresaint posted:I wonder how they will explain how these algorithms detected a scam, when all you really needed was common sense. Maybe it's so they can try avoiding being sued, on account of maths. I wonder if their fraud algorithm searches for the words "cut out the middle man" or "ideas man".
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Apr 10, 2013 23:34
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Alan Smithee posted:I wonder if their fraud algorithm searches for the words "cut out the middle man" or "ideas man". It certainly doesn't search for "zombie game".
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Apr 10, 2013 23:35
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Orzo posted:There is no loving way that a 'fraud algorithm' was used to evaluate that particular fundraiser. What a load of crap. It's my Indian name.
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Apr 10, 2013 23:41
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-09-homesick-dev-chloe-sagal-successfully-crowd-funding-life-saving-operation Meanwhile Kickstarter went all in to back a millionaire rear end in a top hat that conned a bunch of people while using her kids as props...
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Apr 11, 2013 00:33
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Orzo posted:There is no loving way that a 'fraud algorithm' was used to evaluate that particular fundraiser. What a load of crap. A fun game to play is to switch the word "algorithm" with "spirit guide" and see if it changes the context. If it doesn't, the algorithm is probably bullshit. Let's see what happens! quote:Indiegogo has a proprietary and effective anti-fraud spirit guide, and when suspicious activity is detected the campaign is immediately suspended and all contributors are refunded. Indiegogo's proprietary trust and security spirit guide, and our community of credible, conscious participants help to make Indiegogo the world's largest, most trusted global crowdfunding platform. "Community of credible, conscious participants" 
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Apr 11, 2013 00:40
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They're just coming up with ways they don't have to say "you're a scammer and a bullshit-artist" even though they really want to.
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Apr 11, 2013 00:48
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There really are a ton more even worse projects that can't pass the minimal review given before launch you know.
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Apr 11, 2013 00:51
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kirbysuperstar posted:It certainly doesn't search for "zombie game". Nor does it reverse image search camwhore pictures
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Apr 11, 2013 02:30
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So Chloe seems to post on a forum called "Indie Stone Forums" quite a bit the last while about this. Apparently when Indiegogo refunded the campaign she threatened suicide. quote:Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:38 am The mod then locked the topic with a link to this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-09-homesick-dev-chloe-sagal-successfully-crowd-funding-life-saving-operation The leading conspiracy theory is still that Chloe is actually trans trying t get funds for a gender reassignment surgery. This is a loving mess.
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Apr 11, 2013 05:52
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:So Chloe seems to post on a forum called "Indie Stone Forums" quite a bit the last while about this. Apparently when Indiegogo refunded the campaign she threatened suicide. I watched the video on that Eurogamer page, for some reason it reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6QLMUwVBeY
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Apr 11, 2013 09:10
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:The leading conspiracy theory is still that Chloe is actually trans trying t get funds for a gender reassignment surgery. This is a loving mess. Which seems a stupid thing to do if true. Surely you find enough people backing a sex-change operation on the Internet. Why the incredibly fake metal poisoning smokescreen?
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Apr 11, 2013 09:15
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Decius posted:Which seems a stupid thing to do if true. Surely you find enough people backing a sex-change operation on the Internet. Why the incredibly fake metal poisoning smokescreen? Because transphobia runs rampant on the internet, especially in gamer communities. Well, either IG killed someone or prevented a scam from taking place. I haven't followed this too closely but I hope it's the latter.
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Apr 11, 2013 10:47
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Alan Smithee posted:I wonder if their fraud algorithm searches for the words "cut out the middle man" or "ideas man". kirbysuperstar posted:It certainly doesn't search for "zombie game". Alan Smithee posted:Nor does it reverse image search camwhore pictures Speaking of camwhores, the "Help Dad Build a House!" Indiegogo project which is really a camwhore pre-order sale is ending in a few days. She's raised over $4.5k from 34 people, that's an average of $133 per 'donor'.
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Apr 11, 2013 11:04
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:The leading conspiracy theory is still that Chloe is actually trans trying t get funds for a gender reassignment surgery. This is a loving mess. You mean like how in the Eurogamer article it explicitly says "She also said she wants a different surgery that costs $29,000 that isn't medically necessary but will make her life great"? I mean no offense to the trans community but it's pretty clear that Chloe Sagal is transitioning MtF and trying to scam SRS surgery out of the internet.
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Apr 11, 2013 13:22
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Decius posted:Surely you find enough people backing a sex-change operation on the Internet. Why the incredibly fake metal poisoning smokescreen? It's like a hundred thousand dollars. I don't think it's easy to raise that much money by just asking the internet, no matter your cause. Her strongest community were gamers, and she knew that the best route to the money was to be their Damsel in Distress. Simple, high stakes: give me money right now or I will be dead in a few months. This is a much easier sell than trying to explain why her body feels alien to her and how she thinks she would be happier/less depressed if she got SRS. I totally believe that she is suffering and felt this was the best way to alleviate her suffering.
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Apr 11, 2013 13:43
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Speaking of camwhores, the "Help Dad Build a House!" Indiegogo project which is really a camwhore pre-order sale is ending in a few days. She's raised over $4.5k from 34 people, that's an average of $133 per 'donor'. hahahaha oh god that's shocking. Somebody paid $1000 for a 4 hour skype session. Why wouldn't you just have a hooker do it for you at like a tenth of the price? I love her description "One hour of skype chat! (No dirty stuff, just chatting and having fun)"
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Apr 11, 2013 13:50
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Speaking of camwhores, the "Help Dad Build a House!" Indiegogo project which is really a camwhore pre-order sale is ending in a few days. She's raised over $4.5k from 34 people, that's an average of $133 per 'donor'.  I remember when it was like 1500 bucks. What the gently caress Indiegogo. I guess "e-kiss" "e-date over skype" and "pizza chain" aren't on their fraud algorithm either kaguya posted:hahahaha oh god that's shocking. Somebody paid $1000 for a 4 hour skype session. They want the "white knight" experience Goddamnit did I just use a term co-opted and essentially date-raped by every neckbeard in the MRA movement? Ugh I feel so dirty
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Apr 11, 2013 14:01
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kaguya posted:hahahaha oh god that's shocking. Somebody paid $1000 for a 4 hour skype session. I find it tragic and hilarious that some people are so lonely that they're willing to pay $1000 to be able to talk to a girl for 4 hours over the internet. 
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Apr 11, 2013 14:09
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No you don't understand, once she talks to them (and they donate 5k$ more), she'll realise they are her one true love.
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Apr 11, 2013 14:34
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Lord Booga posted:No you don't understand, once she talks to them (and they donate 5k$ more), she'll realise they are her one true love.
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Apr 11, 2013 15:12
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Horrible Smutbeast posted:The leading conspiracy theory is still that Chloe is actually trans trying t get funds for a gender reassignment surgery. This is a loving mess. It makes me a bit distressed to see the response to the conspiracy that this is for gender reassignment surgery. Is there any proof to this claim, apart from her being silly and talking about the other $25,000 surgery that will improve her life but is not related to the fundraiser at all?
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Apr 11, 2013 15:53
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Exmond posted:It makes me a bit distressed to see the response to the conspiracy that this is for gender reassignment surgery. Is there any proof to this claim, apart from her being silly and talking about the other $25,000 surgery that will improve her life but is not related to the fundraiser at all? The other possibility is that she's being scammed by an "alternative medicine" doctor into undergoing unnecessary surgery. There's not really such a thing as poison metal you can have inside you for 2 years, and then die in a few more months unless its removed now. If there was real poisonous metal it would already be too late for that to make a difference.
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Apr 11, 2013 16:45
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Install Gentoo posted:The other possibility is that she's being scammed by an "alternative medicine" doctor into undergoing unnecessary surgery. I am reminded of Gary Cobain who was half of the electronica group Future Sound of London. He was ill for years, so much so that he had to put the band in hiatus. He under went many eastern medical procedures that ultimately did nothing and cost him a lot of money only to find out that one of his fillings was an older filling that contained mercury and was leaking into his body. So it can happen, just not the way she/he claims it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Sound_Of_London#New_millennium.2C_new_sound
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Apr 11, 2013 17:03
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Autechresaint posted:I am reminded of Gary Cobain who was half of the electronica group Future Sound of London. He was ill for years, so much so that he had to put the band in hiatus. He under went many eastern medical procedures that ultimately did nothing and cost him a lot of money only to find out that one of his fillings was an older filling that contained mercury and was leaking into his body. So it can happen, just not the way she/he claims it. But even then the damage would have been done. The point above is that there is no magic toxic metal that can poison you for years, then with one surgery be removed to make you better. Long term heavy metal toxicity does massive organ and tissue (and neurological) damage that isn't fixed with a simple removal. If she were seaking a real treatment for something like long term metal poisoning she'd be in for months if not a year or more of dialysis and chelation therapy(the real kind). And even then it wouldn't "fix" her so much as keep her from continuing to slowly die. Crain has a new favorite as of 17:52 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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Apr 11, 2013 17:49
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:It's like a hundred thousand dollars. I don't think it's easy to raise that much money by just asking the internet, no matter your cause. Her strongest community were gamers, and she knew that the best route to the money was to be their Damsel in Distress. Simple, high stakes: give me money right now or I will be dead in a few months. This is a much easier sell than trying to explain why her body feels alien to her and how she thinks she would be happier/less depressed if she got SRS. I totally believe that she is suffering and felt this was the best way to alleviate her suffering. Even if she had the surgery done in the US as opposed to overseas, it's closer to $18-25,000 for vaginoplasty from most surgeons. Her $29,000 would have been enough if IndieGogo hadn't cancelled the fundraiser. If she had pitched it as "help me raise money for my transition" she wouldn't have gotten nearly enough; there's too much transphobia and other people have tried and failed to make their fundraising goals on IG.
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Apr 11, 2013 18:11
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Carbon Thief posted:Even if she had the surgery done in the US as opposed to overseas, it's closer to $18-25,000 for vaginoplasty from most surgeons. Her $29,000 would have been enough if IndieGogo hadn't cancelled the fundraiser. If she had pitched it as "help me raise money for my transition" she wouldn't have gotten nearly enough; there's too much transphobia and other people have tried and failed to make their fundraising goals on IG. ..so the obvious solution is to lie about it and dupe people into funding something under the illusion that they were in a time crunch to save some poor girl's life who only had months to live?
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Apr 11, 2013 18:15
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Autechresaint posted:..so the obvious solution is to lie about it and dupe people into funding something under the illusion that they were in a time crunch to save some poor girl's life who only had months to live? I can't even imagine how desperate I might get if I was in that situation. It's not cool, but it's pretty understandable.
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Apr 11, 2013 18:21
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Bobo the Red posted:I can't even imagine how desperate I might get if I was in that situation. It's not cool, but it's pretty understandable. No it's not. It's understandable to save money (yourself, god forbid people do this anymore) for a surgery you desire. Scamming the internet to pay for it by selling invitations to cam girl shows under the guise of trying to build a new house for a disadvantaged family is not at all understandable. It's despicable. E: Wait I'm all confused and apparently have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. Scamming people is bad I don't know. Konar has a new favorite as of 18:30 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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Apr 11, 2013 18:27
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Bobo the Red posted:I can't even imagine how desperate I might get if I was in that situation. It's not cool, but it's pretty understandable. How is it understandable? Why should anyone feel entitled to get other people to pay for their reassignment surgery through deception? If you feel strongly about wanting to get this surgery done, either raise the money yourself through honest means by saving up or talk to trangender advocacy group to see if there are options to raise money. There are a lot of people in the video game/entertainment industry who have gone through gender reassignment, surely she could have struck up a conversation with one of them.
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Apr 11, 2013 18:46
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Autechresaint posted:How is it understandable? Why should anyone feel entitled to get other people to pay for their reassignment surgery through deception? If you feel strongly about wanting to get this surgery done, either raise the money yourself through honest means by saving up or talk to trangender advocacy group to see if there are options to raise money. There are a lot of people in the video game/entertainment industry who have gone through gender reassignment, surely she could have struck up a conversation with one of them. You do know that the suicide rate for transgendered people who can't get SRS is obscenely high, right? Lying and scamming people is a lovely thing to do but it's not unlikely that it was literally a matter of life and death to her. It's entirely possible to empathize with someone without endorsing their actions.
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Apr 11, 2013 18:51
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Autechresaint posted:How is it understandable? Why should anyone feel entitled to get other people to pay for their reassignment surgery through deception? If you feel strongly about wanting to get this surgery done, either raise the money yourself through honest means by saving up or talk to trangender advocacy group to see if there are options to raise money. There are a lot of people in the video game/entertainment industry who have gone through gender reassignment, surely she could have struck up a conversation with one of them. Do you know what "understandable" means? It means you can understand the motivation, not that you agree with it. The physical state of her body could be a very real health problem for her, one that could have a drastic negative effect on her day to day life. Are you telling me you literally can't even understand why someone in that position might do anything they could, including things that are unethical, to finally fix that omnipresent negative effect on his or her life?
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Apr 11, 2013 20:01
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BoutrosBoutros posted:Do you know what "understandable" means? It means you can understand the motivation, not that you agree with it. The physical state of her body could be a very real health problem for her, one that could have a drastic negative effect on her day to day life. Are you telling me you literally can't even understand why someone in that position might do anything they could, including things that are unethical, to finally fix that omnipresent negative effect on his or her life? I can 'understand' it, but others like carbon thief were hanging their understanding why based on how 'anti-transgender the internet is' as justification for her actions. Yes, her actions are understandable, but they are not justifiable.
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Apr 11, 2013 20:08
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If they really are trying to hide something else, then they shouldn't have thought up such a suspicious cover story.
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Autechresaint posted:..so the obvious solution is to lie about it and dupe people into funding something under the illusion that they were in a time crunch to save some poor girl's life who only had months to live? Of course not, but given that a recent survey showed that 41% of trans people in the US have attempted suicide and there is next to no healthcare/insurance in the US for trans people, it is, like other posters have mentioned, understandable but not justified.
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