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Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I'm usually chill but when people try to profit off of national tragedies I think they should be cross listed with the drone strike list. However, these people just seem to be misguided.

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Bandit Queen
May 10, 2008

pathetic little tramp posted:

Hey hey hey was there a terrorist attack today?

Time for an Indiegogo Scumbag Roundup!

Worthless scumbag number 1: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/boston-marathon-blast-support

Worthless scumbag number 2: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-the-man-who-lost-his-legs-in-shocking-photo-from-boston-marathon-bombing


Yeah hey guys what if someone finds him? I bet he's really hard to find with the massive bleeding leg and the fact that he's certainly in hospital now.

On a day like today, let me just give a hearty gently caress you to these sort of people and may they accidentally eat feces somehow in the next few months and notice it but only after they've swallowed a little bit first.

At least it looks like they were both taken down.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



pathetic little tramp posted:

Hey hey hey was there a terrorist attack today?

Time for an Indiegogo Scumbag Roundup!

Worthless scumbag number 1: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/boston-marathon-blast-support

Worthless scumbag number 2: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-the-man-who-lost-his-legs-in-shocking-photo-from-boston-marathon-bombing


Yeah hey guys what if someone finds him? I bet he's really hard to find with the massive bleeding leg and the fact that he's certainly in hospital now.

On a day like today, let me just give a hearty gently caress you to these sort of people and may they accidentally eat feces somehow in the next few months and notice it but only after they've swallowed a little bit first.

Any idea how much they might've made before getting pulled? gently caress, people, donate to charity or something.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib

Bandit Queen posted:

At least it looks like they were both taken down.

drat Indiegogo must be looking out for reports doubletime, well that's good at least.

Ernie.
Aug 31, 2012

Kaethela posted:

Any idea how much they might've made before getting pulled? gently caress, people, donate to charity or something.

Both were at nada when I looked.

Noyemi K
Dec 9, 2012

youll always be so sleepy when youre this tiny *plompf*
As they should be; those fools barely put any effort into these thinly-veiled scams. Really, now, "Please give me money because I might give it to this guy in a photograph I don't know"? It's not even trying at that point.

sgbyou
Feb 3, 2005

I'm just a shadow in the light you leave behind.

Completely unexpected and shocking news!

teamPixel posted:

To all our contributors: Thank you for supporting the SaveHomeworld.com project,

Homeworld will escape the THQ bankruptcy to a new home, however, that home will not be with teamPixel, LLC. The auction for the Homeworld license ended April 15, 2013, and while we reached qualified bidder status for the bankruptcy auction, we were unable to raise the necessary funds to remain competitive against the other parties at the auction. We hope you will join us in supporting Homeworld's new owners in building a future for the franchise. We anticipate an announcement of the new owner to be made within a couple weeks and for the sale to be finalized around mid-May. Words cannot describe how honored we are to have been supported by so many in the community.

As promised, we are offering full refunds to all of our generous donors. To facilitate this process, we've established a website where you can verify that we have properly recorded all of your contributions, supply us with any special instructions for your donation, and track your refund. As a special thanks, we would like to offer each and every donor a special credit in our upcoming space RTS game. Yes, this means we will still be moving forward with our own Homeworld-inspired space RTS, but under our own intellectual property. We hope all of you will stay in touch and follow us during the production of our game.

Please visit http://teampixel.com/save-homeworld to track your refund using the login credentials sent to your Kickstarter/Indiegogo/PayPal account e-mail. We will provide donors with 5 business days to send us any special instructions before we automatically attempt a refund to your original PayPal or Amazon Payments account. In the event that these accounts are unavailable, you must provide us with an address to send a money order (USA donors only) or an accessible PayPal. Feel free to contact us for any assistance through the refund portal or using billing@teampixel.com. We are here to serve you!

Sincerely,
Your fellow Homeworld fans at teamPixel
Follow us on http://facebook.com/teampixeldotcom and http://twitter.com/tmpxl

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

sgbyou posted:

Completely unexpected and shocking news!
Sadly nobody has any idea to whom the property went to.

Jefferoo
Jun 24, 2008

by Lowtax

fondue posted:

Sadly nobody has any idea to whom the property went to.

Activision announces Homeworld 3 Season Pass DLC! Pre-order now and unlock the Bacon Resource Pack DLC! Upgrade to the special edition to get exclusive gold and diamond plated ship skins for multi-player!

fondue
Jul 14, 2002

Jefferoo posted:

Activision announces Homeworld 3 Season Pass DLC!
If that happened I think I would die a little inside.

Zeond
Oct 16, 2008

Please give generously to The League for Fighting Chartered Accountancy, 55 Lincoln House, Basil Street, London, SW3.

fondue posted:

If that happened I think I would die a little inside.

That was basically what happened with Saint's Row the Third but before the THQ bankruptcy. The game is great but the DLC is mostly worthless or cosmetic crap.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Zeond posted:

That was basically what happened with Saint's Row the Third but before the THQ bankruptcy. The game is great but the DLC is mostly worthless or cosmetic crap.

It was, however, fun.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Upon a Fable looks like an okay board game, I guess. But wait! Who is that shilling for it in the video? Why it's the RPG industry's old pal Mark MacKinnon! Don't know who that is? He ran Guardians of Order into the ground. Why does that matter? After all, RPG companies fail all the time, it's a volatile industry.

Well, here's a sampling of historical artifacts from the far off past of ~2005-2006!

George R. R. Martin posted:

I regret to announce that Guardians of Order, the Canadian games company that issued the GAME OF THRONES role-playing game last fall, is closing its doors and going out of business.

Although the GoO website remains open and there is some fan activity on the message boards there, it would appear that orders are no longer being fulfilled and emails to Guardians itself are going unaswered. The company’s office has been vacated, and the company phone has been disconnected, When I finally reached GoO’s owner and president Mark MacKinnon last week, he confirmed what many had come to suspect — that he is shutting down operations. MacKinnon is presently attempting to place some of GoO’s games with other companies.

I am not privy to all of the details of how and why Guardians is going under, but I do know the company’s finances were very badly affected by the decline in the value of the American dollar against the Canadian dollar. Most of GoO’s sales were in the United States, so a weaker dollar meant less money coming in. The massive and gorgeous GAME OF THRONES role-playing book, four years in the making, was finally released last November (for details, see the news stories in my archives) and appears to have sold quite well, but its success proved too little and too late to save Guardians of Order.

I am presently attempting to work out some sort of settlement with Guardians that would allow the RPG to continue with another company, but at this writing the future of the game (if any) remains unresolved.

Ironically, this announcement comes just as the GAME OF THRONES RPG has been nominated for four “ENie” awards as one of the best games of 2005. The game has been nominated in the categories of Best Production Values, Best d20/ OGL Product, Best Product, and Best Game. If you’re a fan of the game and would like to cast a ballot, voting is open until July 30 at http://www.enworld.org/ennies/voting.php
Addendum: August 7, 2006

Fans of the GAME OF THRONES rpg have established an unofficial forum to discuss the game at http://z7.invisionfree.com/AGOT_RPG .

Here is Mark's official announcement, which he could only be bothered to make after a licensor cornered him to ask :wtf: was up with the property he was supposed to be taking care of. Below I quote the classiest bit, with extra classy bolding for emphasis:

Mark MacKinnon posted:

First, an apology. I am terribly sorry that George Martin broke the news about our situation. That is certainly not how I wanted the information to be released, and I had thought that my frank conversation with him about A Game of Thrones-specific issues was in confidence. This is the second time now that someone other than me releases very important news about Guardians Of Order, which leaves me frantically trying to patch the holes. The polite and proper thing for me -- as President of the company -- to do would be to contact all of our creditors (which includes some great freelancers and industry associates) FIRST and explain the situation to them. I was working on that process when my efforts were derailed by one simple website post. So I am very sorry that someone else took it upon himself to release this information. It's not how I was proceeding to handle things.

drat you old man, revealing that my company is going under!

Okay, still doesn't seem too shady. Why should you care? Well, it turns out that the company was basically dead for as much as a year before that. Just, MacKinnon and maybe the staff he laid off were the only ones that actually knew. But that didn't stop him from hiring freelancers that he could never pay, and taking orders and preorders for books that would never be shipped, or that never even existed in the first place. For example:

Ian Sturrock posted:

Just as a sample -- here's part of one of the many, many emails I sent him, when due to the thousands of dollars he owed me at the time, I was on the verge of being unable to pay my mortgage. There is indeed some hatred in this, but just enough threat that he did actually pay me some of what he owed (not all). Bear in mind this email is from January 2006, almost a year before GoO actually ceased trading; he was already missing deadlines and failing to return emails at that point.

(begin forwarded mail)

My situation is as follows. I am simply not prepared to leave this hanging for another fortnight, which I will need to do if it's not resolved (or at least has some progress made) before I leave for a holiday this coming Friday morning. I figure that for a debt collection case like this that's relatively unusual, that means I really need to begin proceedings with the international debt collection firm by first thing Wednesday morning (9 am GMT, or just almost exactly 24 hours from now). That gives them and myself 2 working days to discuss any unusual intricacies of the situation. If you and I don't resolve this by 9 am GMT Wednesday, that's exactly what I will do -- involve the aforementioned debt collection firm.

It's not all I will do, though. I'm already incandescent with anger with you over your sheer rudeness in having ignored my urgent emails and other attempts to communicate with you. I'm not going to stay quiet about this, if I do feel like I have to take you to court to get you to pay me what you owe me for around 4 months of my working life in 2004. I will be sending out a press release to ENworld, rpg.net, the RPG freelance list, and gamingreport.com, making it clear exactly how appallingly you've treated me and exactly what I'm doing about it.

Furthermore, having already received specialist legal advice, I understand that your failure to fulfill our contracts means that you do not own the copyright on the work involved; I still own it. I will also be asserting that copyright in 24 hours' time, and attempting to have books such as the Monstrous Manual, AGoT d20, and AGoT Deluxe removed from shelves (the terms of the OGL & d20 contracts should allow for this more rapidly than standard copyright law would). Again this will be mentioned in the press release, and I will hope that at least some stores around the world see this and are sufficiently sympathetic with my plight to do so. I will ensure that I contact George R R Martin and Professor MAR Barker to let them know the situation too -- I'm sure that as fellow writers, they don't much like unscrupulous publishers. I'll see whether I can negotiate directly with them over the AGoT d20 and Tékumel d20 material -- if not, I will see about releasing it (sans setting-specific information), along with the Monstrous Manual, myself.

Again, I'll make all the above clear with a press release.

Industry writers have for too long simply lain down and taken it when publishers screw them around. I don't do that. You cannot expect to hear the end of this till I'm paid in full. If that means that some other industry publishers don't want to give me work, then so be it -- I will presume that I wouldn't want to work for them anyway. I strongly suspect that, given the circumstances, the vast majority of both publishers and freelancers will support me. Perhaps some of the freelancers will be willing to get together with me and sue you in a class action kind of way -- I'm sure I'm not the only person you owe.

Ian Sturrock posted:

In hindsight, I think that the threat of exposure was more telling than the threat of legal action; he wanted to stop his house of cards from collapsing for as long as possible, largely so he could keep taking money off people for product that was never going to ship or services that were never going to happen.

Steve Trustrum posted:

On Jan 5, 2005, at 10:14 AM, <trustrum@misfit-studios.com> wrote:
Hi, Mark. I wanted to wait until the press release to see what the
implications on Magnum Opus projects would be, so I was hoping you could fill me in on what your situation now means for me.

There are no implications. Everything is set to proceed as normal; we aren’t going anywhere
Thanks for checking in, though._____________________________________________________________________
Mark C. MacKinnon — President, Guardians Of Order Incorporated
Treasurer, Game Manufacturers Association (GAMA)
mark@guardiansorder.com http://www.guardiansorder.com


That was the last email I received from Mark. It was sent two days after his announcement regarding Guardians of Order’s money issues (you can find his public release here considering the original site has long since disappeared.) As happened with many others, he stopped responding to my many emails after this inquiring what was going on.

Misfit Studios’ relationship with Mark and GoO was limited to their Magnum Opus program, an innovative imprint program that allowed small press companies such as myself to provide an up-front payment to help cover printing, fulfillment, and distribution that enabled Mark’s company to take on the latter tasks, leaving the imprinting company to put the book together according to spec. This program allowed several companies to get their books into stores before the whole thing collapsed.

For us, it was meant to get World Not Known, a dystopic superhero setting, onto game store shelves. I turned over $1k+ to Mark for the privilege of him taking the money and never responding to me again after assuring me everything was okay with the imprint. Indeed, for months after he had stopped responding to any contact attempts, Mark continued to take money from new people attempting to join Magnum Opus to get their ideas into print. Like Misfit Studios, these people never saw their games produced, their money returned, or another word from Mark.

His actions in this regard almost killed my still-young company by taking money the company could not afford to toss away without a return, and put World Not Known into debt, causing this product to still remain unreleased despite the fact that it was meant to be Misfit Studios’ flagship product line.

What makes this situation even worse is that this was not even a scratch upon the surface of Mark’s widely documented misconduct. Not only did he screw over small press publishers with his Magnum Opus imprint program, but after he “went dark” and stopped responding to emails or printing new product, he kept taking work from freelance artists and writers that he would never pay for, and kept taking preorders through GoO’s storefront for product that didn’t see the light of day.

But it doesn’t stop there.

All of this happened in 2005, yet GoO continued selling online PDFs of games it no longer had ownership of until January of 2012. When found out, “oops!” was essentially Mark’s response on RPG.net (and the first time he’d poked his head out of the sand in the industry in about 5 years.) The GoO storefront on RPGnow immediately disappeared and freelancers began scrambling for their share of the money products they’d never been paid for had been earning over 7 years. He also refused to let some of the freelancers “see the books” on these sales direct from the source — he required they take his word regarding how much money they were owed. As you can imagine, having to trust him to be honest did not go over well with some people.

I also suggest you check out what George RR Martin had to say about his situation with Mark regarding the 2005 Game of Thrones RPG if you want to worsen what should already be a fairly disturbing impression of Guardians of Order’s former owner.

Why is any of this relevant? Well, Mark seems to want to try taking your money yet again with a new company that is trying to put together a Kickstarter for a fantasy-based board game (I won’t post links or name names here — I don’t want to make it any easier for him to take your money.) In the game’s promotional video, Mark has displayed books containing some of the art he never paid the respective freelancers for as examples of his experience and skills that supposedly make him the right guy to produce his board game.

Know what I say to that? (And stop reading here if you are shocked by bad language.)

(are you sure you want to keep reading?)

(Okay, you asked for it …)

Bullshit. That is what I say.

Mark C Mackinnon is a lying douche bag. He told myself and others that everything was alright even as he was preparing to shutter up Guardians of Order. He kept taking people’s money with a smile by the thousands of dollars — whether to pay debts or to pocket against his impending closure, we’ll never know. He took money from other people in the industry — publishers, would-be publishers, writers, and artists — and kept saying everything was okay right up until the wheels came off (well, when he bothered to say anything, which wasn’t often.) Indeed, if you look into the George RR Martin aspect of this, you’ll find it was George who let everyone know Mark was getting ready to take the money and run — Mark even complained afterward that George shouldn’t have told everyone, despite having hidden it from GoO’s customers and contracted business associates and freelancers for months!

See what I mean? Total douche.

He kept taking people’s money for 7 years after Guardians of Order was no more and claimed it was an accident.

Now he is back and wants you to pledge money to him again, upfront and without product in hand. He wants you to take his word that he will deliver on what he has promised.

Just how much is Mark MacKinnon’s word worth after his history in this industry?

Realistically, it shouldn’t be worth as much as the now defunct Canadian penny, but people continue to pledge money to his game and express that they are glad to have him back in the industry. Know what I say to that?

Screw you, Mark MacKinnon. You are a lying, thieving douche bag. You deserve to be blacklisted from the communities you are now taking money from and deserve total ostracization from owning a business in any way related to the industry you once treated so shamefully. But I guess as long as you promise to offer something people are interested in, there will always be some people naive enough to take you at your word.

I guess that is okay, so long as there remain people to point out your word is not worth the paper your many unhonored contracts were printed on, you contemptible asshat.

© 2013, Misfits In Action: The Blog. All rights reserved.

Okay, so, some bad blood. It's been 7 years, though, and MacKinnon disappeared into the respectable field of real estate. Maybe he's changed? Well…

Mark MacKinnon posted:

This will be my only post on this subject to establish facts surrounding the situation, since very little has changed in nearly a decade.

My name is Mark MacKinnon and I was a shareholder and CEO of a publishing company from 1999 until 2006 called Guardians Of Order (GoO). By 2004/2005, it became clear that GoO could not continue operating as it had done so due to mounting financial pressure (largely precipitated by unfavourable exchange rates, prolonged release delays, and my inexperienced management). Despite best efforts by GoO's exceptional employees, and perhaps fanciful belief that the next few products could turn things around (they could not), GoO was forced to lay off all staff and continue as a one-employee operation. This last-ditch effort was unsuccessful.

It is a matter of public record that GoO ceased operation in 2006 due to a crushing debt load from which it was impossible to recover. Over the coming months as I attempted to wrap up the company finances, creditors (including printers, investors, freelancers, licensors, licensees, etc.) were sent letters to their last known addresses informing them that due to a negative operating capital and account balances, no income would be coming to offset the accounts payable.

Rights to many of GoO's IPs were sold to Arthaus Inc. to pay secured creditors. Inventory was either sold or abandoned or seized, again with any income taken by secured creditors. Rights to freelance work (art and writing) that was not paid for reverted to the original creditors. Any orders or pre-orders for products were either fulfilled by GoO, refunded, or fulfilled by Arthaus by prior arrangement.

In addition to the facts presented above, I'd like to address a few questions more personally:

1. How do I feel about GoO's closure?
Words cannot possibly explain the guilt and remorse I feel about how the last couple of years of GoO's operation went down. It is my greatest personal failure in life, and it caused not only incredible financial hardship for my family but cost me my closest friendship as well. How I feel is not important to anyone reading this message, though, and the pain that I will carry for the rest of my life is my own. What is important is that I failed many, many people due to my lack of business acumen and blindness to the crumbling realities a decade ago. My failures were not done maliciously, and I walked away from GoO with significant debt ... not cash in my pocket. I do not seek nor expect forgiveness. I know saying that I am truly sorry and expressing my deepest regrets will not change the events that happened, but nevertheless I am extremely sorry.

2. Who is responsible for GoO's debts?
As an incorporation, nearly all debt was incurred (and contracts signed) by the company itself. With no assets and a red balance sheet, GoO ceased operations in 2006 and left creditors unpaid. One of the protections incorporation provides separates the financial responsibilities of the company from its shareholders -- which is a primary reason why people form corporations rather than operating sole proprietorships. Consequently, only the company is responsible for company debts. Although no law requires it, I would personally love to cover all GoO debts myself, but do not now (nor will likely ever) have enough spare cash to do so. Regardless what anyone thinks of my choices, my family will ALWAYS come first in my life and the income I earn goes to providing for them.

3. Why didn't you stop sooner and make things right?
I certainly wish I did, but my foolish optimism lead me to believe I could get GoO back on track by just working harder and releasing more product. I desperately wanted GoO to succeed; it had a half-dozen employees that counted on bi-weekly paycheques and unpaid freelancers that wanted to receive remuneration for their works. Abandoning hope and shutting down GoO years earlier would have made fulfilling my responsibilities impossible, but I failed to realise I was only making matters worse.

4. What is Dyskami Publishing Company and what is your affiliation with it?
Dyskami is a new company, of which I am a stakeholder, that plans to publish my latest game design: a fairy tale board game called Upon a Fable. Marketing company Kickin' It Games is currently running a Kickstarter campaign (http://kck.st/ZOMIcX) to help raise funds through pledges to bring the game to market. Dyskami is in no way related to GoO, nor does it own any of GoO's assets (GoO has no assets), but it is indeed a company that I am connected with.

5. Why should I trust Dyskami and back Upon a Fable? Will you steal my money?
Although many creditors were not paid by GoO, no gaming consumer ever paid GoO for a product but did not receive it. Upon a Fable is nearly ready to send to the printers and needs the support of backers to make it a reality. Dyskami has no debt and no monthly salary overhead, owes no money to freelancers, and is not a risk to become insolvent. Personally, I have learned much about business operations since my time as CEO of GoO and I would not have even considered involving myself with a new publishing venture if I thought anything remotely similar to the past would happen again. Only you can decide if trust in Dyskami is an issue for you, but there is simply no possibility that I am involved in the creation of a new game with the sole purpose of taking backers' money and not providing an excellent product in return. Every backer of Upon a Fable WILL receive the game as promised and on time.

6. Why didn't you disclose everything in advance? Did you think no one would remember who you are?
Of course I expected my foray back into publishing to gather attention and make some people angry. I have nothing to hide (my history is public knowledge) and can handle the heat; believe me, I've said much worse things to myself than anyone else could. I've never tried to conceal who I was nor what my connection to the gaming industry is. There are simply some people who will never forget, never forgive, what happened ... and I have come to terms with that. But for those who can recognise a quality board game design when they see it and read about it, and for those who believe even people that have failures can change and improve and learn over time, I believe Upon a Fable is worthy of a serious look. It's a really good game -- likely my best design ever.

See that bolded bit up there? The first part is true, but not the whole story. The second part is just a lie. The rights to unpaid-for content did indeed revert to its creators. That didn't stop MacKinnon from selling books, or the promises of books, that contained that content for months after his company was totally insolvent. This is combined with the fact that the company was receiving dozens, scores, maybe even hundreds of orders during its final months, orders that were never and will never be fulfilled and certainly weren't refunded.

Anyway, maybe he's kind of a dick, maybe his view of things is skewed by personal feelings and the passage of time. Apparently he had fallings out with many of his former employees, but one of those dudes, Jeff Mackintosh, found it in his heart to forgive Mark and come on board to this latest Upon a Fable project. What's he got to say about all this?

Jeff Mackintosh posted:

Some people are jerks. I hate jerks.

I know there's some heavy stuff going on today and I'm just going to assume that people who know me know my thoughts on today's events but something else happened which bothered me a great deal and, try as I might, I just can't let it go. I have to address it because I f'ing hate jerks.

You see, Mark MacKinnon, the guy behind the Upon a Fable board game for which I did the design work is not only my friend, he's also my former boss, from my days at Guardians of Order, the RPG publishing company. As some of you know, that company went under. Due to a variety of reasons, primarily a weakening economy and a collapsing US dollar (compared to the Canadian dollar) as well as some business-related mistakes (mostly centered around choices of products to publish), the company failed. In its last days, the company, and individually the staff of the company, made every attempt to wrap things up properly, which is to say we attempted to pay off all outstanding debts. But, as most things go when you're failing, things didn't go as planned and the company left many debts unpaid. Numerous suppliers, including freelance writers and artists, were unpaid for work done towards the end of the company's life.

Including me.

You see, I did a substantial amount of freelance work on the last big project the company was working on - the A Game of Thrones RPG - and I ended up not getting paid for that work. As did many others.

Now, some people view Mark as a villain for this failure. Some people have been portraying him as some nefarious conman who intentionally screws over the working man while sleeping on a mattress filled with $100 bills.

Um, no.

Mark made some mistakes in the final days of GOO (and I'm quite certain he would be the first to point them out) and Mark failed to meet several obligations but he didn't do it maliciously. There was no intent to leave debts unpaid. He'd run a company which had paid thousands and thousands of dollars to many freelancers over the years. Had he wanted to cut and run with fat loads of cash, believe me, there were better times to do that. The company failed. It sucks but it happened.

He certainly could have handled things better but, quite frankly, we all made mistakes in those final days. He was no different - he made mistakes. The company that we'd worked our butts off to build into a successful publishing house was failing. Trust me, we were trying to salvage things but, as the history books clearly tell, we failed. Mark failed. He's not the first business man to fail and he won't be the last. Guardians of Order isn't the first failed company that left unpaid debts in its wake and it won't be the last. It's not a new story but it most certainly is a story without a villain. People failed despite the best intentions but there were no villains.

Well, up until today.

As I said, some people are painting Mark as a villain. Some people are actively attempting to discourage people from supporting Mark's new game publishing effort - the Upon a Fable board game. Some people are actively attempting to sabotage the success of the game. I understand they aren't happy about not being paid for their work - I'm still upset I wasn't paid for my work - but they are now actively attempting to harm Mark's chances of success and his ability to see Upon a Fable through to completion. There are people, including me, who have put a lot of work into this project. There are people at Kickin' It Games who are currently, right now, putting a lot of work into this project. The people who are encouraging gamers to not support Upon a Fable are intentionally and directly harming the chances of people like me and the gang at Kickin' It Games from being paid for our work.

Mark left unpaid debts because of unfortunate circumstances and failed attempts to salvage the company. These jerks are intentionally attempting to prevent people from being paid for their work.

I'll let you guess who I think are the villains of this story. I'll let you guess who's actions are motivated by malice. I'll let you guess who I think are the jerks.

Some people are jerks. I hate jerks.

(The opinions expressed in this post are 100% mine and mine alone. If you have a problem with this post, feel free to unfriend me.)

The above G+ post was since dragged behind the wall of Friends Only. There was this later:

Jeff Mackintosh posted:

As for deleting the Google+ post, you're right - I did. I decided to take my social networking back to friends-only content. My friends, some of whom disagree with me strongly on this subject because they were also affected by it, can still see my post. The public, however, no longer can. I'm under no obligation to give the public access to my social media posts and I've decided to restrict that access. I stand by what I said and retract nothing. I simply no longer wish to discuss that post with random strangers. Random strangers don't have the benefit of knowing who I am and how I speak. My friends do.

Now in this and other industries, the farts and rainbows of promised payment aren't too uncommon. However, I reckon there's a meaningful difference between getting in bed with someone on promise of good times, and getting in bed with someone who is known to have previously Cleveland steamcleaned the sheets.

I'm still waiting for that Game of Thrones GM Screen and Adventure Book that I preordered, Mark.

That Old Tree has a new favorite as of 02:06 on Apr 18, 2013

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


I shouldn't have read the comments on that Kickstarter. Too many of them are "Bah, whatever he did was in the past, I'm sure it's totally fine now."

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Zeond posted:

That was basically what happened with Saint's Row the Third but before the THQ bankruptcy. The game is great but the DLC is mostly worthless or cosmetic crap.

Saint's Row 4 is literally a DLC that the new owners are making in to an entire game. It has me more than slightly worried. :(

Jefferoo posted:

Activision announces Homeworld 3 Season Pass DLC! Pre-order now and unlock the Bacon Resource Pack DLC! Upgrade to the special edition to get exclusive gold and diamond plated ship skins for multi-player!

EA is proud to announce that the new Always-Online feature...

Sono
Apr 9, 2008




miguelito posted:

iPhone Kickstarters are nothing if not reliable.
OK, I'm challenging the Kickstarter community right now: Make an iPhone accessory that turns your phone into a self-propelling vehicle for a person.

Segway controlled via Bluetooth from an iPhone. If you multiply the iPhone's success and the Segway's, then... a very large number x 0 = 0.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

Pregnancy blood test extension for the iPhone for sex workers.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Saint's Row 4 is literally a DLC that the new owners are making in to an entire game. It has me more than slightly worried. :(

No, it's not. They've folded the content from that announced expansion into it, but SR4 was under development since before the release of 3.

Sigma-X
Jun 17, 2005

Evil Fluffy posted:

Saint's Row 4 is literally a DLC that the new owners are making in to an entire game. It has me more than slightly worried. :(


EA is proud to announce that the new Always-Online feature...

It very literally is not DLC, and never was DLC, and I say this as a former Volition dev.

e: Enter the Dominatrix, as a product, however, was a terrible idea, despite not being DLC. I'm looking forward to the game it has become.

Sigma-X has a new favorite as of 07:22 on Apr 18, 2013

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Sigma-X posted:

It very literally is not DLC, and never was DLC, and I say this as a former Volition dev.

e: Enter the Dominatrix, as a product, however, was a terrible idea, despite not being DLC. I'm looking forward to the game it has become.

Most people consider modern standalone expansions to fall under the umbrella of DLC regardless of the semantics involved.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib

"Incandescent with anger."

Really?

I hate everyone involved with anything in this post.

Bobo the Red
Aug 14, 2004
Lay off the marmot
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1887069385/a-silent-anti-gravity-device-can-now-lift-99-of-it?ref=category

You get one of 3 possible pictures!

The Incredible Ed
Nov 12, 2006

The way of a sluggard is like a hedge of thorns, but the path of the upright is a level highway.

He didn't even show the thing working!

PublicOpinion
Oct 21, 2010

Her style is new but the face is the same as it was so long ago...

This is amazing. He's almost worked backwards into inventing the hot air balloon!

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Who knew that differences in density within a medium can create a net upward force even when arrayed against the incredible power of gravity itself?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

BattleMaster posted:

Who knew that differences in density within a medium can create a net upward force even when arrayed against the incredible power of gravity itself?

I came to this discovery when stepping into a bath. I was so overtaken I yelled “Eureka!” and ran through the streets naked.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

quote:

More testing should produce an upward lift greater than 100% making my device a serious candidate for the little known and little contested $1.3 million Gode Gravity Award.

quote:

Levitation effects, based on traditional effects such as aerodynamic, magnetism or electricity are excluded.

Dunning-Kruger effect in action. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A smart man would stop and think "maybe this has been done before?" but no! This man is a crazy genius and he needs our help to stop BIG SCIENCE from shutting him down with his genius ideas that nobody's ever had before, such as using heat to generate lift, or "gravitational wind" :rolleyes:

SusanosWrath
Jan 3, 2012

This Unit Will Self-Destruct Upon Termination of Target
"So guys I made this cool new invention I call a roundyroll that you've never seen before. You see while studying I discovered that round things roll so I invented a bigger round thing you can use on cars, bikes or even tricycles. But people keep telling me it's already been invented, to them I say poppycock! So I need at least $1,000,000 so I can take my invention to a convention and win a nobel prize.
Reach the $40 tier and I'll send you a picture of me holding it! "


Does that sound Kickstart worthy considering everything else that goes through? :v:

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

psychoticBacofoil posted:

"So guys I made this cool new invention I call a roundyroll that you've never seen before. You see while studying I discovered that round things roll so I invented a bigger round thing you can use on cars, bikes or even tricycles. But people keep telling me it's already been invented, to them I say poppycock! So I need at least $1,000,000 so I can take my invention to a convention and win a nobel prize.
Reach the $40 tier and I'll send you a picture of me holding it! "


Does that sound Kickstart worthy considering everything else that goes through? :v:

You know, this got me wondering if anybody owned a patent for the wheel. If you did, I don't know how you'd resist the temptation to be the biggest patent troll of all time.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Waffleman_ posted:

You know, this got me wondering if anybody owned a patent for the wheel. If you did, I don't know how you'd resist the temptation to be the biggest patent troll of all time.
I think you couldn't sneak that past the people at the US patent office, the fact that it's already in widespread use would be too obvious.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Waffleman_ posted:

You know, this got me wondering if anybody owned a patent for the wheel. If you did, I don't know how you'd resist the temptation to be the biggest patent troll of all time.
An Australian managed it http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1418165.stm (as a way to point out holes in patent oversight)

DoctorTristan
Mar 11, 2006

I would look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

Waffleman_ posted:

You know, this got me wondering if anybody owned a patent for the wheel. If you did, I don't know how you'd resist the temptation to be the biggest patent troll of all time.

The evidence of prior art is sufficiently obvious that even the US patent office can see it.

Cartoon Violence
Oct 30, 2012

Stop being such goons, you CLODS!

psychoticBacofoil posted:

"So guys I made this cool new invention I call a roundyroll that you've never seen before. You see while studying I discovered that round things roll so I invented a bigger round thing you can use on cars, bikes or even tricycles. But people keep telling me it's already been invented, to them I say poppycock! So I need at least $1,000,000 so I can take my invention to a convention and win a nobel prize.
Reach the $40 tier and I'll send you a picture of me holding it! "


Does that sound Kickstart worthy considering everything else that goes through? :v:

It's good, but I don't think you've thrown in enough technobabble to let suckers / backers know how smart you are. I suggest throwing in a couple of "Slope Density Exclusions" and "Particle Rolling Technology (Patent Pending" so that you can really show your potential.

M. Night Skymall
Mar 22, 2012

Zaphod42 posted:

Dunning-Kruger effect in action. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A smart man would stop and think "maybe this has been done before?" but no! This man is a crazy genius and he needs our help to stop BIG SCIENCE from shutting him down with his genius ideas that nobody's ever had before, such as using heat to generate lift, or "gravitational wind" :rolleyes:

Look, I think a man who has limited his single tier of pledges to $5000 short of his actual goal knows a *little* more about mathematics and physics than you do.

batphantom
Mar 24, 2001

Well, today's the last day for the scamfest known as Send My Rich 9 Year Old Girl To A lovely RPG Camp, now offically titled "9 Year Old Builds Her First RPG... TRUTH & TROLLS!" loving thing is up to $24K despite all the press about Mom's previous horseshit. And the game will be delivered in July 2013! Wow. And goddammit, she's actually created ANOTHER project based on this shitstorm.

quote:

Though not part of the original project, after we realized there was a need for a safe place for kids to learn, share, create, play and test one another’s games (with some help from experts will to pay it back and pay it forward), PinkieSquare.com has evolved into a real website. It’s still a work in process and we’re still looking for experts to volunteer to host live Skype, Twitter and Facebook Q&A sessions. Check it out and see for yourself – PinkieSquare.com: Indie Gaming. For Kids. By Kids.
She must be stopped. I honestly feel bad for the daughter, but this has gotten insane.

Edgar Death
Mar 15, 2013
That loving troll story, I just :psyboom:

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Your kid will make the next great game for OUYA with OUR HELP!

Sid Delicious
Oct 31, 2007
:sidvicious:


batphantom posted:

Well, today's the last day for the scamfest known as Send My Rich 9 Year Old Girl To A lovely RPG Camp, now offically titled "9 Year Old Builds Her First RPG... TRUTH & TROLLS!" loving thing is up to $24K despite all the press about Mom's previous horseshit. And the game will be delivered in July 2013! Wow. And goddammit, she's actually created ANOTHER project based on this shitstorm.
She must be stopped. I honestly feel bad for the daughter, but this has gotten insane.

God dammit this is still going? I know there is a lot of great projects on Kickstarter but this has really soured the website for me. I don't think I feel right supporting anything on their site if they just ignore their own TOS when they feel like it.

Bobo the Red
Aug 14, 2004
Lay off the marmot

Sid Vicious posted:

God dammit this is still going? I know there is a lot of great projects on Kickstarter but this has really soured the website for me. I don't think I feel right supporting anything on their site if they just ignore their own TOS when they feel like it.

To be fair, this project puts KS in a weird PR situation. If they take it down, they risk looking really bad, because this game has become a mini-poster child for women and girls in STEM (and because the mom is a pretty cunning lady who would almost certainly make sure that happens). If they don't cancel it, they get money, and the only people who are "tricked" are people who voluntarily gave money and, in all honesty, should have done their own godamn due diligence.

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batphantom
Mar 24, 2001

Bobo the Red posted:

To be fair, this project puts KS in a weird PR situation. If they take it down, they risk looking really bad, because this game has become a mini-poster child for women and girls in STEM (and because the mom is a pretty cunning lady who would almost certainly make sure that happens). If they don't cancel it, they get money, and the only people who are "tricked" are people who voluntarily gave money and, in all honesty, should have done their own godamn due diligence.

That's Kickstarter in a nutshell. Do your due diligence on the project before committing. A little googling goes a long way. I figure only a small percentage of the project's supporters are aware of Susan's background and are still supporting it. I can only imagine how much of a slave driver she'll be on the kid to deliver a working game, and I wonder how many people will "support" the development with art, coding, producing, testing, you know, actually making it. The kid'll have less to do with it than William Shatner does with his writing projects. Not that anyone should expect a nine year old to make a satisfying game in three months. BUT DAMMIT IT'S THE PRINCIPLE

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