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So when they called Obama a coon, it was OK because it was a joke. I swear, people forget that the freedom of speech covers criticism too. Southpark is singlehandedly responsible for disseminating a racial slur against red-haired people, I don't think they care. Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 03:28 on May 3, 2013 |
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May 3, 2013 03:29
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I think people who watch South Park greatly overestimate the impact of South Park outside of middle school lunchrooms.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:As a red haired person the south park episode changed absolutely nothing. Ah, glad we have the ambassador of red haired people around to give the it OK  Whether you think so or not, the show has played a critical role in perpetuating the pejorative "ginger" across a whole new generation of viewers. Tender Bender posted:I think people who watch South Park greatly overestimate the impact of South Park outside of middle school lunchrooms. I wish that were true. Anecdotal and all, but I've seen it influence a whole lot of "mature" "adults" in my age group.
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Tender Bender posted:I think people who watch South Park greatly overestimate the impact of South Park outside of middle school lunchrooms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican I'm sure it's been linked before, but this very short wiki features a few examples of exactly what people in this thread critize about SP, straight from the horses' mouths -- including that previously mentioned quotation, "I hate conservatives, but I really loving hate liberals." The truth is in the middle, everyone sucks, no one really knows so why bother, etc etc. And it has links to Reason and NYT pieces about the South Park libertarian phenomenon. While I doubt anyone in a position of authority has modeled his or herself after Eric Cartman, the show definitely has taken up a place within the greater political discussion.
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thathonkey posted:Whether you think so or not, the show has played a critical role in perpetuating the pejorative "ginger" across a whole new generation of viewers.
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May 3, 2013 04:04
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It's a lovely show by guys who are obsessed with cultural resentments that have been around for decades on the right: "YOU'RE NOT SMARTER THAN ME ROB REINER!!!!" It's the same arguments I hear from people on facebook who don't actually know anything about specifics but feel the need to have an opinion on the matter. I have multiple friends, in their late 20s and thirties, who still cite arguments I recognize from South Park. It's just a quick easy position to take when you have no idea about current events.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Like they did with Jew-as-pejorative before. There are already so many examples brought up in this discussion of the terrible poo poo portrayed in that show and that is really just scratching the surface. Yet you still have people coming out of the woodwork to defend it with "but...but...they also make fun of X Y and Z" or that it is "unfair to criticize because it is humor/art" or that it "doesn't actually influence people over the age of 12" Bullshit. edit: I think this quote sums up the show's creators pretty well - Trey Parker posted:People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us. What a baby. thathonkey fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 3, 2013 |
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May 3, 2013 04:14
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South Park is great when they're just doing character-based comedy or whatever- the Lord of the Rings episode is fantastic- but the instant they think they have some sort of social or political point to make, it turns into terrible poo poo.
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Never in my life did I hear the term "ginger" or the idea of "gingers don't have souls" before that particular episode of South Park aired. I understand that it was an established thing that the South Park creators didn't make up out of thin air, but you're bonkers if you don't think they had huge hand in popularizing it in America. If they can popularize one lovely idea, they obviously have the cultural pull to popularize others.
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One last thing about Hannity vs. South Park. I think the crux of my problem with comparing Hannity to South Park is that I've never had one of my friends who I regard as intelligent and generally not a horrible bigot parrot quotes/arguments from Hannity or defend him as a reasonable cultural entity or whatever. Same goes for any of the ultra-conservative personalities out there. Wish I could say the same about South Park. Although I'd argue that the libertarian agenda in Southpark is fairly obvious, it isn't obvious to most viewers that I talk to and it certainly isn't as explicit as the neoconservative agenda is on Hannity's show just by virtue of one being a cartoon comedy and the other being a talk show. It is still comparing apples to oranges but I just wanted to point out why I think South Park is much more insidious. I was gonna say maybe this isn't the right venue for unraveling the poisonous nature of South Park but their more political/topical episodes do in a way qualify as "Right Wing Media" in my mind.
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They are aware that libertarianism is essentially far-right ideology in many respects, correct?
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Ugh they're such idiots.
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Radbot posted:They are aware that libertarianism is essentially far-right ideology in many respects, correct? No like most libertarians they think they're centrists/above politics.
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Radbot posted:They are aware that libertarianism is essentially far-right ideology in many respects, correct? See, it's right in the middle 
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The Libertarians that don't want to invade and occupy other countries certainly completely out of the American political mainstream right now. WorldNetDaily agrees with Bill Maher http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bill-maher-slams-boston-police/?cat_orig=us quote:frank • 5 days ago −
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Physics totally says reality isn't the only thing that's real, in fact that means that the christian god is real and the Bible is correct. Physics said so, losers 
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Modern Day Hercules posted:Never in my life did I hear the term "ginger" or the idea of "gingers don't have souls" before that particular episode of South Park aired. I understand that it was an established thing that the South Park creators didn't make up out of thin air, but you're bonkers if you don't think they had huge hand in popularizing it in America. If they can popularize one lovely idea, they obviously have the cultural pull to popularize others. According to my cuban friends it is cuban's who have no souls.
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thathonkey posted:
They're typical libertarian assholes. I have no idea why you guys are having such an indepth discussion on them.
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Fulchrum posted:No, I'm talking about the tobacco episode. You didn't get it. The tobacco industry being utterly wholesome and in the right is the running joke of that episode.
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Fulchrum posted:No, I'm talking about the tobacco episode. Cartman is depicted as being a despicable rear end in a top hat all the time so when the despicable rear end in a top hat is saying something is good......how did you miss this?
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For anyone who's never had the pleasure, if you ever see a copy of the New American, I recommend flipping through it. It's a perfect microcosm of the extreme right-wing. They're a bizarre blend of Tea Party fascism and Ron Paul historical revisionism. Their "Letters to the Editor" section is chock to the brim with people trying to be the furthest right. Anyway, this month's issue featured this beautiful article.
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May 3, 2013 15:18
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Bad news fox! 165,000 new jobs in April and DOW over 15000. Spin, Spin!!
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We love the constitution and democracy, so we're gonna show this by attacking a constitution amendment we don't like because it allows the people to vote directly for a section of the political machine.
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Well they're still pretty crappy. Working hours are down and growth is anemic. It doesn't take much spin to say the economy sucks. The spin part is where they say it is Obama's fault when in fact, it is only partially his fault!
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greatn posted:Well they're still pretty crappy. Working hours are down and growth is anemic. It doesn't take much spin to say the economy sucks. The spin part is where they say it is Obama's fault when in fact, it is only partially his fault! And certiaml;y not because he was too much of a socialist, like they'll spin it as
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Need National Geographic to pull another evolution thing: Is the 17th Amendment unconstitutional? NO. It's an amendment to the constitution.
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XyloJW posted:For anyone who's never had the pleasure, if you ever see a copy of the New American, I recommend flipping through it. It's a perfect microcosm of the extreme right-wing. They're a bizarre blend of Tea Party fascism and Ron Paul historical revisionism. Their "Letters to the Editor" section is chock to the brim with people trying to be the furthest right. Anyway, this month's issue featured this beautiful article. That article is particularly precious, btw. The authorities they cite are Mike Lee, Glenn Beck, Scalia, and Mike Huckabee: Truly the great statesmen and thinkers of our time. Article here. It connects to an online library, not the New American itself, so you don't have to worry about giving them traffic.
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greatn posted:Well they're still pretty crappy. Working hours are down and growth is anemic. It doesn't take much spin to say the economy sucks. The spin part is where they say it is Obama's fault when in fact, it is only partially his fault! The whole nation is becoming Texas as far as jobs grow. lovely service industry jobs that don't create surplus value, that are part time, and minimum wage.
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XyloJW posted:For anyone who's never had the pleasure, if you ever see a copy of the New American, I recommend flipping through it. It's a perfect microcosm of the extreme right-wing. They're a bizarre blend of Tea Party fascism and Ron Paul historical revisionism. Their "Letters to the Editor" section is chock to the brim with people trying to be the furthest right. Anyway, this month's issue featured this beautiful article. James W. Loewen must be having a conniption over this text book. Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:The whole nation is becoming Texas as far as jobs grow. lovely service industry jobs that don't create surplus value, that are part time, and minimum wage. The terminal stages of capitalism! Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 16:48 on May 3, 2013 |
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Both South Park and Penn&Teller have little actual methodology for their preaching: it's a melange of whatever is annoying them at the moment + what they think they can demolish in an entertaining fashion. Regarding P&E, it was glaringly obvious in their 'Cheerleading' episode. See, in THAT case the big bad government totally should change its parameters of 'sport' to be more inclusive and give these cute girls better health care on the public dime! To a lesser degree, it was also the case in their episode about Old People: they brought in Maddox (from the Greatest Page in the Universe) ans used his patent hyperbole as serious arguments they could demolish. I guess it's hard to grandstand against a position when no one holds it. As for South Park, one needs only watch one of M&T's interviews to see that they consider themselves valid commentators on all things, so that's how they should be treated. I love how in one episode they were all rabid about "Scientology is a ridiculous fraud and it sucks!" and in a later one it's "Mormonism is fake and a fraud but it helps people lead happy lives, so back off!!". My guess is that the difference is entirely due to them knowing/respecting some mormon person while Scientologists occupy the same mental space as hippies in their universe: people who have no real impact in their lives, but sound annoying.
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Thomase posted:Bad news fox! 165,000 new jobs in April and DOW over 15000. Plus adjustments to recent jobs reports also show job growth is higher. All I've seen in response so far is Bengazi e: Okay I've now seen stories that Obama's approval rating are at it's lowest in months. They'll probably run with that. Especially since it's from Rasmussen. Vertical Lime fucked around with this message at 17:24 on May 3, 2013 |
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Vertical Lime posted:All I've seen in response so far is Bengazi It's pretty surreal to think the Bengazi attacks happened back during the campaigns and wasn't even a winning issue for them then. That's the sort of "win" they're clinging to now, and that's how teflon Obama is. I don't even think it's a matter of Obama being all that slick it's just that when your elected officials main concerns are that the president is some kind of Islamist Manchurian Candidate who is a literal super villian there's not much room for getting outraged about anything else.
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Here's something stupid. NUTS… Joe Biden Talks About ‘Deliverance’ Man Rape to Victims Support Network (Video) So, Biden made a very good analogy at a recent speech for lawyers that help victims of domestic abuse. Somehow, Bridget Johnson and Jim Hoft found a way to take offense at this and call him a doofus. The GOP really needs to find a way to learn some sort of lesson from the 'rape situation' they had last year. Repealing the 17th became the new hot fad after 2008. I guess it's not surprising, given the GOP's brazen push to take over state legislatures. They can already keep a hold of the House for a few more cycles, just based on redistricting and new census results, and if they were able to abolish the 17th, they could take over the Senate again. Then we could end up in this weird place where (assuming Texas flips) the Dems have a lock on the Executive and the GOP permanently controls the Legislative.
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Sephyr posted:Both South Park and Penn&Teller have little actual methodology for their preaching: it's a melange of whatever is annoying them at the moment + what they think they can demolish in an entertaining fashion. I watched the NASCAR episode the other night. I liked how they set it up to make fun of NASCAR fans and kinda turned it on it's head. But I think the difference between Scientology and Mormonism is that Scientology is a cult of thieves where as Mormonism is just a lovely variant of Christianity.
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Sir Tonk posted:Here's something stupid. What Biden said was dumb as hell.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:I watched the NASCAR episode the other night. I liked how they set it up to make fun of NASCAR fans and kinda turned it on it's head. I think that's an unfair thing to say about Scientologists. Not everyone in Scientology is affiliated with the shadiness that occurs at the executive level. Yes, as an institution Scientology is a profit driven religion. But it still provides the same communal and spiritual at a personal level for many adherents. An interesting book that I recently read is Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion. It's a really interesting story. I also don't see why Matt and Trey took such offense to Scientology. The religion is basically a religious form of libertarianism. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 17:46 on May 3, 2013 |
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Crasscrab posted:I think that's an unfair thing to say about Scientologists. Not everyone in Scientology is affiliated with the shadiness that occurs at the executive level. Yes, as an institution Scientology is a profit driven religion. But it still provides the same communal and spiritual at a personal level for many adherents. An interesting book that I recently read is Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion. It's a really interesting story. Then again they have an institution where your soul gets bonded to a contract of indentured servitude for a billion years, so you work for free on their Snow Crash tax-evasion flotilla. Not saying you can't be spiritually fulfilled by Scientology, I'm just saying the dudes up top are more brazenly taking advantage of their adherents than most religions.
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Seoinin posted:Then again they have an institution where your soul gets bonded to a contract of indentured servitude for a billion years, so you work for free on their Snow Crash tax-evasion flotilla. Not saying you can't be spiritually fulfilled by Scientology, I'm just saying the dudes up top are more brazenly taking advantage of their adherents than most religions. The bounded soul contract thing is only for the Sea Org. But yeah the executives, David Miscavige in particular, are gigantic shitlords. But really isn't this the case with the leaders of most major religions?
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Crasscrab posted:But really isn't this the case with the leaders of most major religions? Used to be I'd throw the Dalai Lama as a counterpoint, but then I found out one of the major bullet points on the office's "And While We're Dreaming We'd Also Like a Pony" list is the reestablishment of a theocratic dictatorship. So yeah, all of them basically.
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