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Stare-Out posted:I still think Superman is the least interesting superhero ever He's not even the most boring superhero with a movie released this decade.
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Stare-Out posted:The trailers don't seem all that bad and Michael Shannon owns in everything, but I still think Superman is the least interesting superhero ever and I don't get how a Superman movie always gets so much hoopla. Superman is a character that needs a really good writer to work. With a good writer, you get things like Superman: Birthright and Red Son. With a bad writer, you get, well...  I'm not sure where this falls on that scale, to be honest.
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Lance Streetman posted:Superman is a character that needs a really good writer to work. With a good writer, you get things like Superman: Birthright and Red Son. With a bad writer, you get, well... Now this is a movie I'd see in a goddamn heartbeat.
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Lance Streetman posted:Superman is a character that needs a really good writer to work. With a good writer, you get things like Superman: Birthright and Red Son. With a bad writer, you get, well... I love everything about whatever this is
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May 7, 2013 05:07
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May 7, 2013 05:10
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Steve Yun posted:
At least is not a pile of traced pictures with only two,three colors clustered in a single space. I guess is the last point you make that makes me like them. Barometer posted:
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Macaluso posted:I love everything about whatever this is That's from Superman: At Earth's End. An alt-universe story that also contains not one, but two clones of Hitler. It's so awful it loops around and becomes awesome.
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AndyP posted:That's from Superman: At Earth's End. An alt-universe story that also contains not one, but two clones of Hitler.  Well now Man of Steel is going to suck no matter how good it ends up being because it isn't this.
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May 7, 2013 06:08
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Our grandfathers fought in World War II. We made this. Rageaholic Monkey posted:All the promotional stuff is pretty cool, but the fact that they haven't shown us much of anything about what the movie will actually be like could go either way - it could either be an awesome movie or a complete disaster. I'm still apprehensive after Superman Returns. What's it like to be wrong about everything? I'm actually still bitter that we're not getting another Bryan Singer Superman film. Superman Returns was fantastic. edit: Also I'd been meaning to post this: 
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May 7, 2013 06:37
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CPL593H posted:What's it like to be wrong about everything? I'm actually still bitter that we're not getting another Bryan Singer Superman film. Superman Returns was fantastic. I'll admit, I only saw it once (when it came out in theaters), but I remember it being mediocre in almost every way and I don't remember any part of it that made me go "Wow, I need to watch this movie again at some point!"
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May 7, 2013 06:40
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Superman Returns seems to be really popular with people who don't like Superman because it's a two and a half hour vindication that he's boring.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I'll admit, I only saw it once (when it came out in theaters), but I remember it being mediocre in almost every way and I don't remember any part of it that made me go "Wow, I need to watch this movie again at some point!" It's just been a touchy subject with me since it came out because most people were like "Duuuurrrrrr, people talked too much and Superman didn't punch enough things. Plus they did stuff that is different from the comic books!", but I loved the movie thought it was great that they both connected it to the Richard Donner films and did something fresh and original. I'm not accusing you of this. I just hate that it became so fashionable to poo poo on the movie when it was not only very good, but quite successful.
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Superman legitimately did not punch enough things in that movie and that's a very valid complaint. There was no showmanship or spectacle at all.
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Pure curiosity-- have you read any acclaimed Superman comics or imbibed Superman media outside of the 78 Donner movies and whatever Superman references crop up in other media you've consumed? Because my problem isn't that people talked too much or that Superman didn't punch anything-- it's that the conversations were boring and the action sequences turgid, and connecting the flick to the Donner films was an albatross around its neck. The super-son could have been interesting but it was telegraphed in the most hamfisted Chekov's gun imaginable, and the movie wanted to keep the actual human character of Superman at arm's length the entire time.
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And the thing is the substance showcased by the lack of spectacle is questionable. At best it's material that's been tread in some of the better comics, at worst it's just a dumb story with too much nostalgia towards the old movies that a moviegoer that had never seen them might not have.
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CPL593H posted:I'm not accusing you of this. I just hate that it became so fashionable to poo poo on the movie when it was not only very good, but quite successful. Was it really successful though? I'm not trying to twist your words or anything, just legitimately wondering. I remember there was a partnership with Pepsi so all their bottles and cans at the time had the Superman logo on 'em. But I honestly don't remember anyone I knew at the time saying they were going to see it or praising it after having seen it. And even since then, I don't think I've ever heard anyone praise that movie outside of recently in this thread. In fact, the only time I think I've heard anyone talk about that movie since it came out is every now and then it'll come up CD and get poo poo on. edit: VVV Okay, I forgot about that line from Ted. That's one of the only times I've heard anything about it in the last few years, then. Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 06:59 on May 7, 2013 |
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CPL593H posted:I'm not accusing you of this. I just hate that it became so fashionable to poo poo on the movie when it was not only very good, but quite successful. It was literally the closing joke of the movie Ted last year to say "Hey remember Superman Returns? Didn't it suck?" It was also the first Superman movie in 20 years and coming on the heels of Batman Begins and the Raimi Spider-Man flicks which proudly announced "we're no longer making poo poo superhero movies." It would have been successful almost by default. If anything it was extremely unsuccessful in the long run since Time-Warner was unable to do anything with the franchise in cinemas for six years after it came out, whilst in the same time they got Nolan to do two insanely successful Batman sequels.
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penismightier posted:Superman legitimately did not punch enough things in that movie and that's a very valid complaint. There was no showmanship or spectacle at all. I'm tired of this forum's pro-punching things snobbery. I thought Superman was pretty 'super' without having to punch a bad guy. The bullet to the eye, deflecting minigun rounds off his chest, etc. etc. Lifting the island is often disparaged by a lot of people who didn't enjoy that film, but I thought it was a fairly earnest attempt at showing Superman's strength and grit. The plane resuce is spectacular. The set-pieces featuring his casual acrobatics and power usage to save the city as it begins to implode were really great in that regard, I thought. I certainly wouldn't ever claim there was no spectacle, even if I can understand where someone who thinks that is coming from. Spectacle doesn't have to involve wrasslin', I think is the sentiment behind mocking the perhaps nonexistant people who may or may not have whined about not enough punching. EDIT: This is absolutely not the Man of Steel thread and I totally thought it was. On that note, I actually liked the imagery in the Man of Steel poster that was the medium shot of Superman in handcuffs being led by a team of soldiers, but there's one trend around Returns marketing that I really hated:  These posters of entirely too close up shots of Superman flying. There's no sense of scale, splendour or motion, really. I think my DVD copy even had a similarly cloying and nauseating image on the cover. It's just too close and for no reason. It looks like someone just really didn't want to do the background. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 07:54 on May 7, 2013 |
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Dan Didio posted:I'm tired of this forum's pro-punching things snobbery. This is the best sentence I've ever read in my life.
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I have read hundreds of Superman comics, watched him in more than a half-century's worth of media, played Superman 64, have Superman floor mats and a Superman steering wheel cover in my otherwise beat up and kind of lovely truck, have plans for a Superman tattoo, have read critical analysis of the character and his reflection of the immigrant experience, and one of my earliest memories involves "reading" a Superboy comic (and I mean a "Superman ad a boy" Superman comic) to my oldest brother by guessing at what the story was about based on the pictures. He found the story I created as a probably 4 year old so funny tears were streaming down his face. I didn't get what he thought was so funny. I understand Superman. I understand him as a symbol, as a character, and as a creation of two Jewish kids from Canada. I loved Superman Returns. Don't assume because people liked it they don't "know" Superman. I know Superman here. The movie ruled and I've explained why at great length many times. It connected with the Donner films, continued the themes of those movies, yet approached everything with a fresh and vibrant take. I may not think Bosworth was a great Lois Lane, but otherwise it's a great movie and I've watched it almost as many times as the Fleischer cartoons. No, not the racist ones. The ones with dinosaurs and robots and poo poo.
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penismightier posted:This is the best sentence I've ever read in my life. Coming from the man who just said this: Fat Lou posted:I can't stop making gifs of Scott Adkins kicking people. penismightier posted:To looking at Scott Adkins kicking people? Yes! You betrayed the code, mod. Of punch love.
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AndyP posted:That's from Superman: At Earth's End. An alt-universe story that also contains not one, but two clones of Hitler. Please tell me that one is a good hitler
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Frostwerks posted:Please tell me that one is a good hitler Sadly, no. They are both jerks.
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Dan Didio posted:On that note, I actually liked the imagery in the Man of Steel poster that was the medium shot of Superman in handcuffs being led by a team of soldiers, but there's one trend around Returns marketing that I really hated: Something like this is definitely preferable. 
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Can't wait. This poster makes absolutely no loving sense to me whatsoever.
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Geekboy posted:I have read hundreds of Superman comics, watched him in more than a half-century's worth of media, played Superman 64, have Superman floor mats and a Superman steering wheel cover in my otherwise beat up and kind of lovely truck, have plans for a Superman tattoo, have read critical analysis of the character and his reflection of the immigrant experience, and one of my earliest memories involves "reading" a Superboy comic (and I mean a "Superman ad a boy" Superman comic) to my oldest brother by guessing at what the story was about based on the pictures. He found the story I created as a probably 4 year old so funny tears were streaming down his face. I didn't get what he thought was so funny. You can relax. No one said you didn't know Superman. Your credibility is intact here. Your opinion is respected. That said Superman Returns is a boring film that never should have been the comeback flick. Like 2003's Hulk it has some very interesting ideas and works as an experiment but I and many people thought it failed. For what it's worth though I never really liked the Donner flicks as much more than camp, and think that viewing Superman as a truly alien being is by far the most uninteresting of the worthwhile interpretations of him. Dan Didio posted:On that note, I actually liked the imagery in the Man of Steel poster that was the medium shot of Superman in handcuffs being led by a team of soldiers, but there's one trend around Returns marketing that I really hated: That's because the movie posters were just selling the idea of Superman returning. That was literally it. That was all the marketing for it ever was. "Hey remember Superman? He's back." That's where it began and that's where it ended. In hindsight I'm pretty glad it was that way since now Man of Steel's marketing actually has to work for its audience's attention. Dissapointed Owl posted:Can't wait. Now that is the face of a man who is both horrified at what he does for a living and simultaneously daring anyone to call him out on it so he can respond with "but I make bank so suck it!"
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Forgall posted:Sadly, no. They are both jerks. God. I never saw that coming.
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I appreciated the attempt to bridge between the modern era and the old Donner films in Superman Returns, but felt that the movie suffered as a result (especially Lex Luthor). That said, the scene where Superman makes his big public return slowly lowering the rescued jumbo jet into the middle of a baseball game was so perfect that I'll often watch the whole movie just to see that scene again.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Something like this is definitely preferable. "No, no — the lens flare needs to be at least 3/4 of the overall print width. Longer!"
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Zack Snyder usually has better trailers than that. For instance, Sucker Punch: the trailer for that was loving insane and I was sure I had to see it. Then I saw it and it was stupid as hell. As for Man of Steel, it looks like the most "un-Snyder" movie he's made yet and I actually watched the Ga'Hoole movie. I'm not sure if he's changed/matured, or Nolan or the studio is having a bigger influence or what. I guess I haven't seen the actual movie yet.
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Slim Killington posted:"No, no — the lens flare needs to be at least 3/4 of the overall print width. Longer!" The recurring lens flare and other filmish imagery that they're putting everywhere owns.
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penismightier posted:Superman legitimately did not punch enough things in that movie and that's a very valid complaint. There was no showmanship or spectacle at all. Superman racing a ball of fire to keep an energy plant from exploding, Superman flying through the city stopping people from being crushed by things, using his laser vision to vaporize a wall of broken glass, lifting a ship out of the water with one hand, lifting and throwing a continent (made of the stuff that kills him) into space. That's all spectacle. I'd go so far as to say that his feats of strength are grander than anything (save for going back in time several minutes) he does in the Donner films. mind the walrus posted:Pure curiosity-- have you read any acclaimed Superman comics or imbibed Superman media outside of the 78 Donner movies and whatever Superman references crop up in other media you've consumed? Yes. I'm one of those comic book reading guys. Rageaholic Monkey posted:Was it really successful though? I'm not trying to twist your words or anything, just legitimately wondering. I remember there was a partnership with Pepsi so all their bottles and cans at the time had the Superman logo on 'em. But I honestly don't remember anyone I knew at the time saying they were going to see it or praising it after having seen it. And even since then, I don't think I've ever heard anyone praise that movie outside of recently in this thread. In fact, the only time I think I've heard anyone talk about that movie since it came out is every now and then it'll come up CD and get poo poo on. It's world wide gross was nearly 400 million dollars. Not exactly a flop. Dude, we should totally make out. Dissapointed Owl posted:Can't wait. I was at he video store the other day and saw copies of A Haunted House on the shelf. I was really surprised because I thought it hadn't even come to theaters yet. And there's already a loving sequel. mind the walrus posted:That said Superman Returns is a boring film that never should have been the comeback flick. Like 2003's Hulk it has some very interesting ideas and works as an experiment but I and many people thought it failed. For what it's worth though I never really liked the Donner flicks as much more than camp, and think that viewing Superman as a truly alien being is by far the most uninteresting of the worthwhile interpretations of him. I liked Hulk too. But anyway a few other things, then I'm going to not talk about Superman Returns anymore because I don't want to further derail the thread. When I'm talking about the Donner Superman Films I'm refering to the first movie and the Donner cut of the second. The Richard Lester version of Superman II is lovely and I think that's where you getting "camp" from. The scenes on Krypton are some of my favorite alien planet stuff. It really and truly does look otherworldly in a way so few sci-fi films have managed to capture. Also, if you think the idea of Superman being truly alien is boring read All Star Superman it plays heavily on that theme and is the essential Superman story. Now, all that said here's a proper post for this thread:  edit: I did not intend to make that cheesy rhyme. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 10:53 on May 7, 2013 |
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CPL593H posted:Yes. I'm one of those comic book reading guys. Ok, awesome. Didn't mean to be a dick about you knowing or not knowing your poo poo. CPL593H posted:Superman racing a ball of fire to keep an energy plant from exploding, Superman flying through the city stopping people from being crushed by things, using his laser vision to vaporize a wall of broken glass, lifting a ship out of the water with one hand, lifting and throwing a continent (made of the stuff that kills him) into space. That's all spectacle. I'd go so far as to say that his feats of strength are grander than anything (save for going back in time several minutes) he does in the Donner films. My absolute last thoughts on this: - The problem was that the spectacle was simply an exhibition of his powers or saving generic civilians. There was no emotional reason to get worked up over it. That's a huge part of spectacle. Look at how the Avengers did it, since that's fresh in my mind-- every fight has a reason to happen and there's always at least two parties with more at stake than "their survival." The only action in Superman Returns that has this is when he lifts the island to stop Luthor, and the action is so abstracted that while it functions as a good climax it comes as a disappointment when you realize "oh... this is the final act isn't it?" - I see plenty of camp in Donner's movie too. Now a lot of it can be excused as "for the time it was..." and I don't mean that dismissively, but watching it for the first time in 2002 I saw a lot of camp, and I grew up with the Burton/Schumacher Bat-flicks for god's sake. Teschmacher and her giant tits hanging out, Clark's radio play bumbling, Lois' obliviousness, Luthor's "I AM THE GREATEST MIND THAT WILL EVER LIVE!", the baby lifting the truck. It's camp as balls in a lot of places. - Donner's Krypton was genuinely awesome, especially the wardrobe and mannerisms of the actors, although I hate that the "crystals people! CRYSTALS!" look permated so many other interpretations of Krypton. I just find it too "alien for the sake of alien." Computers do not exist in transparent crystals goddammit. - I've read All-Star Superman and I'm surprised you consider Superman his most alien there. If anything he's extremely human, just very much in control of himself and fully embracing what his powers allow him to do. How on earth can you read the Smallville chapter and think the book was presenting him even half as detached from his humanity as Superman Returns did? He's a man who does unbelievably crazy poo poo whilst keeping his cool in every panel, but he's still unquestionably a man whose reactions vary and lets his emotions into his words. The only thing Returns and All-Star have in common in this regard is that they don't actively make Superman a protagonist you can relate to due to their circumstances (i.e: their powers)--you have to recognize their humanity when you see it. The problem is I didn't feel Returns actually did that and actively kept its Superman at arm's length from everyone in his life, which is a HUGE mistake since Superman's ability to interact with others is a big part of what makes you realize that for all his hovering and weird powers he's still got a good Kansas man's heart and mind as the foundation of his identity. I left Superman Returns feeling that I learned nothing about this new Superman other than the fact that he was butthurt that Lois didn't wait for him and eager to put this tired Luthor business to bed. I put down All-Star feeling like I had met a decent but troubled man whose ability to keep up with the insane circumstances of his life was only rivaled by the love he had for it. That's what has me pumped for Man of Steel. In the trailer alone we've seen that as a boy he was so freaked out by what he was that he was at risk of letting that identity consume him, and that eventually he is able to integrate it into himself and present an idealized foot forward towards Lois and humanity at large. This is based on three lines of dialogue we've seen. That honestly feels like more direct characterization than we got from Superman Returns. - I'll concede that there are some interesting ideas presented about Returns via the death of an icon and the lack of relevance he and his villains have in a more complex post-WWII, post-Vietnam, post-Cold War, post-9/11 world. I just don't think they were intentional or make the film any more enjoyable. ----- Now some on-topic content. First up I have a weird unofficial .gif poster for Man of Steel. For all the praising I was doing just a paragraph ago, this is just how easy it is to take what's awesome about Superman and make it mawkish even with the best of intentions. I like the idea of animated posters and even like the way it takes Superman's flight and charts his literal arc from a farm in Kansas into a symbol in the sky... but the quote from the trailer in there is an egregious misstep:   I love how this takes the wonderful mystery of other Stargate posters I've seen and just smashes you in the face with EGYPT! It's a nice rendition of a pharoh's face, but much like the movie itself it totally undercuts the wonder of the Stargate premise by showing the viewer the same kind of image every kid gets in his Social Studies textbook in elementary school. Still, once you see that the actor's names are all written on the bottom and how insanely detailed the drawing is you realize you have to be kind-of a dick to hate it. 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Dissapointed Owl posted:Coming from the man who just said this: To be fair, kicks are far superior to punches.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Can't wait. I know the Wayans have actually been on tour for a while now, they've been playing ads for it on the radio for a couple months here. That means most of the months between A Haunted House's release and now were impossible to be working on A Haunted House 2 in. That means they must have already been working on the sequel before the movie came out.
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