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Accordion Man posted:Hey guys do you want a sequel to the Nintendo horror video game Eternal Darkness? Well you're in luck because the original developer is trying to make a spiritual successor. They may have already fleeced a major publisher to help fund the gameplay video for it and also lost millions in a frivolous lawsuit they started last year, but don't worry guys they totally want to make a great game and not just steal your money. That's why they completely bypassed Kickstarter and Indiegogo and made the crowdfunding campaign on their own site, because they want to interact with you the gamer directly. I don't understand, what do they mean by episodes?
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Xandu posted:I don't understand, what do they mean by episodes? They want it to be episodic too! A few places on the site say all this money is just going into episode one. So goddamn many red flags, I'm gonna be disappointed if this makes anything near what they ask.
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May 7, 2013 23:08
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Xandu posted:I don't understand, what do they mean by episodes? Exactly what it sounds like. There has been a push in recent years to break up games into episodic content. Its a cheaper way to expand a series than it is to make full blown sequels. Telltale tends to do this a lot with their adventure games, there is an overarching metaplot for the season that connects the smaller plots of individual episodes together. It would actually not be all that horrible for the original ED, the game is structured to make it work. Each episode would have been exploring the mansion and beginning the next chapter of the game. It really ends up being a bit of a mixed bag, it is definitely a cash grab for devs. However, it could lead to a longer experience than might normally be found in a straight up sequel.
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May 7, 2013 23:26
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The thread is Games is totally worth a read and is only a few pages. The short of it is that that trailer was made when Silicon Knights was still around and it took them years to make it, now there's only 9 people in Dyack's new company and a third of them are executives. Also their Terms of Use say that they get to keep the money no matter what, they have no obligation to make the game, and you can't sue them. ...of SCIENCE! has a new favorite as of 23:52 on May 7, 2013 |
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May 7, 2013 23:49
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Fwiw terms of use is not a contract so how enforceable is that? I know some argument was made about a judge considering a EULA agreement to be like a contract sorry about being vague since I'm not a lawyer or well read on the subject so correct me if im wrong but I imagine one could sue if they clearly acted in bad faith
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May 7, 2013 23:58
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Can someone explain what Dyack did/what it means he's on the team? I'm not familiar with Eternal Darkness the game, or its drama. edit: I found info here, under the Benevolent Dictatorship header http://kotaku.com/5955223/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x+men-destiny Madcosby has a new favorite as of 00:22 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 00:18
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Madcosby posted:Can someone explain what Dyack did/what it means he's on the team? I'm not familiar with Eternal Darkness the game, or its drama. The drama is actually not related to Eternal Darkness, which is considered to be a fantastic game. The drama you want to be looking at revolves around the studio's latest two games, X-Men Destiny and Too Human, the latter of which was Dyack's pet project. Both these games were loving awful.
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May 8, 2013 00:22
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Alan Smithee posted:Really? Same president, same chief of staff, same people cleaning the bathrooms? This might come as a shock to you, but the White House is a building and not a group of people. ...of SCIENCE! posted:The thread is Games is totally worth a read and is only a few pages. Those Terms of Use will hold up in a court for about as long as it takes for the judge to read them, especially if they're never prompted to the
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May 8, 2013 00:47
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Evil Fluffy posted:This might come as a shock to you, but the White House is a building and not a group of people. This may come as a shock to you but WHOOSH
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Waffleman_ posted:The drama is actually not related to Eternal Darkness, which is considered to be a fantastic game. The drama you want to be looking at revolves around the studio's latest two games, X-Men Destiny and Too Human, the latter of which was Dyack's pet project. The real thing that killed the studio though was their lawsuit against Epic claiming that they got a lovely version of the Unreal engine with little to no documentation. They lost, Epic counter-sued and won with the judge ruling that all copies of SK games that used the Unreal engine had to be destroyed and they owed Epic something like $6 million.
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May 8, 2013 01:06
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muscles like this? posted:The real thing that killed the studio though was their lawsuit against Epic claiming that they got a lovely version of the Unreal engine with little to no documentation. They lost, Epic counter-sued and won with the judge ruling that all copies of SK games that used the Unreal engine had to be destroyed and they owed Epic something like $6 million. Actually, the countersuit was because Epic claimed "Silicon Knights'" engine they created "instead of" Unreal was actually just heavily modified or openly stolen UE3. They proved it pretty loving conclusively because the coders copy/pasted quite a bit of UE3 code (including comments and typos) into "their" engine. This is the level of talent left at SK (and probably this new company) anymore. Do not pay them.
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May 8, 2013 01:11
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Waffleman_ posted:The drama is actually not related to Eternal Darkness, which is considered to be a fantastic game. The drama you want to be looking at revolves around the studio's latest two games, X-Men Destiny and Too Human, the latter of which was Dyack's pet project. There's also the fact that the reason both of those games (though mostly X-Men: Destiny) are awful is because the company was driven into the ground trying to secure funding for Eternal Darkness 2. Most of the team for X-Men was taken off of it half-way through and put to work on Eternal Darkness tech demos. It never went anywhere and every other project suffered because things were horribly mismanaged. I wish I could find the report that detailed all of this, but it was months ago and hell if I can find it now.
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May 8, 2013 02:51
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SSJ Reeko posted:There's also the fact that the reason both of those games (though mostly X-Men: Destiny) are awful is because the company was driven into the ground trying to secure funding for Eternal Darkness 2. Most of the team for X-Men was taken off of it half-way through and put to work on Eternal Darkness tech demos. It never went anywhere and every other project suffered because things were horribly mismanaged. Yo. I think it's been linked here a few times now in threads on this.
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May 8, 2013 02:52
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I'm not versed in my Eternal Darkness, how did that ever get off the ground if Dyack is such a fuckup? Did it succeed in spite of him (perhaps other competent staff)? Or did he have a fluke
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May 8, 2013 06:38
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Nintendo was breathing down their backs on Twin Snakes/Eternal Darkness, is the common excuse. From the above story:quote:This command structure wasn't always such a fatal flaw, former employees said. Before Silicon Knights cut ties with Japanese powerhouse Nintendo following the 2004 release of Twin Snakes, the studio had crucial outside help for game quality, design and process. "This is the reason for the extremely high quality games that SK built a reputation on," says one source. "Nintendo was going to put their name on the game, so it had to be 'Nintendo quality.'"
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May 8, 2013 06:44
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Alan Smithee posted:I'm not versed in my Eternal Darkness, how did that ever get off the ground if Dyack is such a fuckup? Did it succeed in spite of him (perhaps other competent staff)? Or did he have a fluke Accordion Man has a new favorite as of 06:49 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 06:47
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Accordion Man posted:Silicon Knights actually developed for Nintendo for several years a decade ago and released ED and the Metal Gear Solid remake, The Twin Snakes, under them. Nintendo pretty much kept Dyack in check but he doomed his own company when he broke off the lucrative deal they had going with Nintendo to make his glorious magnum opus that would been known as Too Human, which as previously mentioned is now currently having all unsold copies destroyed due to SK stealing Epic Games' Unreal Engine to make it.  What an idiot. Not paying engine royalties is the dumbest thing you can do. I wonder if Too Human will become the ET of our generation
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May 8, 2013 07:08
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Alan Smithee posted:
I never read any of the stories about the game being bad before playing it, so I was able to play without any prejudice. I really enjoyed it for the first half. It felt incomplete like they wanted to make a sequel but ran out of money so they had to wrap it up
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May 8, 2013 07:17
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I played it on Xbox and it had the single worst control scheme I have ever encountered. You used the right thumbstick for attacks  The setting was kinda cool though and I liked the  opening video with like cyberbeowulf. Here's a guy who got 11k on a 3k goal to shoot a dark comedy entirely on his iPhone.
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May 8, 2013 08:02
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Bloodnose posted:Here's a guy who got 11k on a 3k goal to shoot a dark comedy entirely on his iPhone. Most likely because everyone thought he was the other David Wong.
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May 8, 2013 08:38
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I remember excited for too human just because "Oh it's the Eternal Darkness people". I thankfully played a demo before release, and was too bored to even finish the demo, leading to me not buying the game.
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May 8, 2013 10:18
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Alan Smithee posted:
They destroyed extra copies of ET because they made more copies than systems in existence. They destroyed Too Human because of a court ordered cease and desist. They're not really anything similar.
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May 8, 2013 12:25
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Penny Arcade needs recording equipment to restart a podcast they used to do. Goal? TEN BUCKS. Literally funded in a minute.
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Waffleman_ posted:Penny Arcade needs recording equipment to restart a podcast they used to do. I think they must just be trolling kickstarter to make it seem even more ridiculous than it already is.
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May 8, 2013 19:28
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They'll need to raise enough money to pay a sound engineer to edit 20 podcast episodes so the actual goal will be a lot more than $10. If anyone else other than these guys with their diehard fanbase pulled that trick we'd accuse them of doing the KS equivalent of the Indiegogo flexible funding campaigns that we all hate and distrust but for the PA guys it's more of a cute gimmick since they're pretty much guaranteed to meet and exceed their need.
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May 8, 2013 19:40
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Aren't the PA guys super rich by now? Why do they need a kickstarter?
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May 8, 2013 19:53
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Drunk Tomato posted:Aren't the PA guys super rich by now? Why do they need a kickstarter? Yeah, how much money is 'enough'?
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May 8, 2013 19:55
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They got like millions of dollars in another Kickstarter last year. To remove one banner ad from their site.
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Drunk Tomato posted:Aren't the PA guys super rich by now? Why do they need a kickstarter? You get rich by being good at spending your money or someone else's money preferably.
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May 8, 2013 20:02
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Drunk Tomato posted:Aren't the PA guys super rich by now? Why do they need a kickstarter? They like to gently caress with Kickstarter.
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Waffleman_ posted:They got like millions of dollars in another Kickstarter last year. Hundreds of thousands, not millions But that's besides the point. I'm not sure what their game is with this.
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May 8, 2013 20:06
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The game is that by setting it at $10, they're essentially making it into a flexible funding indiegogo campaign. Acting like they're just trying to mess with Kickstarter is being far too generous.
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May 8, 2013 20:23
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Stop Giving Your Money to Rich People on Kickstarter
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Chunk posted:The game is that by setting it at $10, they're essentially making it into a flexible funding indiegogo campaign. Acting like they're just trying to mess with Kickstarter is being far too generous. That's what I meant. Is it a stupid joke or them being scummy? Probably both. It looks like there's really absolutely nothing to a KS review beyond checking for porn or the like before it's allowed to go live. Which I guess is fine, but it allows for this sort of crap to exist, never mind "$829".
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Rinkles posted:It looks like there's really absolutely nothing to a KS review beyond checking for porn or the like before it's allowed to go live. Which I guess is fine, but it allows for this sort of crap to exist, never mind "$829". The fact that it's the PA guys probably changes thing a little. If I had made that exact KS it might not have gotten through, but I don't think they would want to lose the publicity/money they'll get from those guys doing another Kickstarter.
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May 8, 2013 20:44
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May 8, 2013 20:58
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I don't have a problem with KickStarter being the new model of how TV/Movies are greenlit. Then I could actually see with my own eyes that people in fact do love terrible shows. You could up the $10,000 cap, and allow for companies to pledge product placements 
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May 8, 2013 21:09
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That article is terrible and stupid. As someone who backed the VM movie, the author missed the point completely, and just seems angry that people are spending their money on something he doesn't like.
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Oasx posted:That article is terrible and stupid. As someone who backed the VM movie, the author missed the point completely, and just seems angry that people are spending their money on something he doesn't like. Yeah I have no idea what his problem is. Kickstarter isn't charity, I'm not interested in giving money to the neediest projects. I'm gonna give money to the projects I'm a fan of. I really don't give a poo poo how rich the person behind a Kickstarter is.
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