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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Krinkle posted:

I read a little further this morning before I had to go on a road trip, Rider seems to be asking me if I'm ready for Sakura to crack and murder everyone and if I'll still be on her side unless I misunderstood? She also might have been asking if I'm ready to let her die and survive because the other way around would be intolerable to Sakura. I'll pick it back up tomorrow night. I can't not finish I mean I'm clearly imagining the worst and it's going to grieve me more than whatever actually happens.

For my part, I'm really liking HF. I haven't bumped up against any of the irritation I had during UWB, specifically (HF 11th day) during some of those never ending fights with that kungfu teacher dude that were lame. I'm also a big fan of 'loving around cooking food' so I've been plugging away pretty well now. The arm reveal was real cool, even if it was super super SUPER obvious how similar it makes emiya to sakura, at least in terms of everybody going 'if u use magic you'll die!!!!'.

edit: Oh poo poo! (day 12) It's gettin sick nasty up in here! people getting down / getting funky, emiya has brain damage or something, ilya is all like "yeah wouldn't that be nice to live together if I wasn't a fuckin grail or some poo poo dawg.'

I think it's interesting that contrasting with the other routes, Rin is a LOT less useful. I think this is primarily cuz she is a very traditional master and, as was posited earlier, HF is the holy grail war all hosed up backwards. She's out of her depth.

Meanwhile Emiya has liquidsnake's arm all up on him tellin him to do stuff and sakura got hosed, sliced, diced, and then took a nap with some dizzle worms.


DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 06:35 on May 6, 2013

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Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

The Romanesque Kickstarter is dead
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1358146405/romanesque-translation-project

quote:

Romanesque Translation Project is the subject of an intellectual property dispute and is currently unavailable.

No need to check the servers — the rest of Kickstarter is doing just fine.

If you are interested in this project, please check back later. Thanks for your patience.

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Aroduc's reaction:
http://tenka.seiha.org/2013/05/no-funds-allowed/

quote:

Well, that’s that then. All the more time I have to focus on Seinarukana and nothing but, I guess. No, I have no idea what’s next for LWR yet and at best, it’s likely cold storage for a long while. Yes, I am at least a little happy to see that this kind of thing is indeed viable. Yes, I am confused how they still haven’t actually contacted me myself besides the snippy letter, but I think we’re long past technicalities. I’m thankful to everyone who tried to support it though, so thank you.

Another interesting thing is this graph:

Yesterday there were 13 pledges for a total sum of -$23

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib
Well poo poo, can't say I'm surprised though.

LeeDless
Mar 28, 2010
It mentioned on the KS page that Little Witch (the original developers) went out of business several years ago.

So who are the current license holders and what relation do they have to the original work?

Davzz
Jul 31, 2008
How the heck is it possible to go into negative funding?

LeeDless posted:

It mentioned on the KS page that Little Witch (the original developers) went out of business several years ago.

So who are the current license holders and what relation do they have to the original work?

"Tenco", a "new" company which is basically made up of just about the exact same employees, which is sort of a silly trick some companies use when becoming bankrupt.

secret volcano lair
Oct 23, 2005

Davzz posted:

How the heck is it possible to go into negative funding?

Fake backers withdrew their pledges.

I love how copyright law means a company can sit on the rights to produce a translation for the next 100 years regardless of whether they have any intention of doing so.

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good
The Dysfunctional Systems VN really is pretty great. I ended up following Cyrus because frankly the dude had a way better idea of what was going on than Winter, and his ideologies were seemingly sensible, and boom there's the path to hell. :stare: I mean looking back on it it was still the best decision I could have made with the information I had, but even still watching things go to poo poo so incredibly fast was very startling. I guess it's also that i'm so used to games saying "you know cruelty can be the greatest kindness" that it's actually surprising when you get a game that responds with "Yeah, and sometimes it's just loving cruel, jackass." I'm definitely enjoying it so far, and i'm really glad that it didn't end after the whole radiation sickness deal because it seemed like it might have been wrapping up there.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

klapman posted:

The Dysfunctional Systems VN really is pretty great. I ended up following Cyrus because frankly the dude had a way better idea of what was going on than Winter, and his ideologies were seemingly sensible, and boom there's the path to hell. :stare: I mean looking back on it it was still the best decision I could have made with the information I had, but even still watching things go to poo poo so incredibly fast was very startling. I guess it's also that i'm so used to games saying "you know cruelty can be the greatest kindness" that it's actually surprising when you get a game that responds with "Yeah, and sometimes it's just loving cruel, jackass." I'm definitely enjoying it so far, and i'm really glad that it didn't end after the whole radiation sickness deal because it seemed like it might have been wrapping up there.

Pretty much. I keep meaning to go back and try the other way, but in any case I'm looking forward to Ep 2.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



DamnGlitch posted:

:words: and a lot of spoiler tags

Having completed FSN about 8 months ago, I might go back and re-visit it with the RN patch installed for neat new CGs, but yeah if you think HF is crazy yet, you haven't seen anything. A cursory glance at the flowchart if you are using one tells you that poo poo gets really crazy, especially in the last 2-3 days, as HF's flowchart is almost 2x as long as the UBW and FATE arcs.

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax

DamnGlitch posted:

during some of those never ending fights

He's going to love Nine Bullet Revolver.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


I'm up to day... fifteen in HF. I am hitting a lot of bad ends. Sakura has been asking for help with her suicide for days and the obvious happens when I finally get the choice to try. Pretty on edge while I play through this. It could have been worse, false hopes wise, if it wasn't already confirmed that Illya can't be saved, she's going to die of rapid aging homunculitis anyway. So many interludes.

Haha Assassin has chased Kotomine to the gently caress ruins from Fate on the outskirts of istviel's estates. No sex was had but it was still a pretty good interlude.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
So I finished Marathoning through Muv Luv and Alternative yesterday. So good. I've pretty much done nothing but play it since it arrived on Saturday.

As soon as they started talking about something making him a causality conductor I pretty much knew what was going to happen though. The last few hours was just me waiting for the hammer to come down. The ending was incredibly unsatisfying though. After all those developments, he goes back to being rear end in a top hat McProtag, ignorant of everything, only now he randomly tears up. What a satisfying conclusion to 50-60 hours of storytelling and character development. He finally turned into a likeable, competent protagonist and then goes back to being the same piece of trash he was when the series started. Urgh. Have him stay in Alternative. Hook up with Yuuko or something. I don't know. Anything is better than the nigh complete reset they ended up with.

On a somewhat related note, what are other VNs where the protagonist isn't a useless shitheel that goes with the flow throughout the entire thing? Looks like I'll be out with a hosed up back for another few weeks, so I need stuff to do.

jonjonaug
Mar 26, 2010

by Lowtax

Cynic Jester posted:

On a somewhat related note, what are other VNs where the protagonist isn't a useless shitheel that goes with the flow throughout the entire thing? Looks like I'll be out with a hosed up back for another few weeks, so I need stuff to do.

Steins;Gate, Rewrite (warning: ultra long), Hanachirasu, and Kikokugai all fit that description pretty well.

jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 06:09 on May 8, 2013

Snow Halation
Dec 29, 2008

Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo and G-Senjou no Maou also fit the bill.

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax

Krinkle posted:

I'm up to day... fifteen in HF.

:fsn:

You're using the Realta Nua patch, right?

Hold hope for one day The Day After to be translated, and see the alternative to Alternative.

As for recommendations that haven't been mentioned, from what I remember (been several years) I liked Divi-Dead because the protagonist (and reader) didn't know what the gently caress, but he was actively attempting to figure it out. Not an action hero, just a "regular" highschooler asked by his uncle to enroll at the academy and in his stead uncover what's behind certain occurrences (presumably drug use), only to find out the hole goes deep into the supernatural territory, and plots within plots within plots.

Old and porny, though.

Einander
Sep 14, 2008

"Yeh've forged a magnificent sword."

"This one's only practice. The real sword I intend to forge will be three times longer."

"Can there really be a sword as monstrous as that in this world?"

"Yes. I can see that sword... Somewhere out there..."
Really, as long as you stay out of romantic comedies, you'll generally avoid the useless VN protagonists. (Well, in terms of translated VNs; it's a combination of the translator filter effect and western sensibilities.) The worst you'll get is someone like Little Buster's Riki, where he's not a central go-getter but he does things when they need doing.

In terms of "out-and-out active protagonists," Majikoi's Yamato is also pretty good about doing things. Most of the others I can think of are already mentioned.

(Also, read Hierofania)

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib
There are a few rom-com ones I can think of with non useless protagonists. Period, Hoshizora no Memoria, Family Project, and Yumi Miru Kusuri all come to mind for me. The last of those is fairly porny though.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
The KiraKira/DearDrops protagonists are fairly switched on. Come to think of it, Edelweiss (and I guess Go Go Nippon) aside, Overdrive are pretty good for that.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

MagicalDuck posted:

Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo and G-Senjou no Maou also fit the bill.

I second this.

Bakanogami
Dec 31, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Saya no Uta's protagonist isn't useless. :black101:


...Also Majikoi's protagonist has probably been my favorite in a while.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Nephilm posted:

:fsn:

You're using the Realta Nua patch, right?

Yeah, oh did I miss it? Was that the thing the emote came from? He wasn't wear a chef's hat so I didn't think I reached it yet.

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax
Have you somehow missed all the cooking throughout Heavens Feel?

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Nephilm posted:

Have you somehow missed all the cooking throughout Heavens Feel Fate/Stay Night?

Best scenes in the game though.

All that delicious food.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
Thanks for the recommendations. I bought Yumi Miru Kusuri because it was available for download and ordered a few others online.

Yumi Miru Kusuri was pretty porny, but the stories themselves were nice.

The fact that the (non-blood related)sister wasn't an actual romance impressed me a lot. I'd have thought they'd shove that in with no second thoughts, ignoring the effect it would have on the overall story. For a game with such frequent sex scenes, it was overall quite restrained compared to what it could have been.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Nephilm posted:

Have you somehow missed all the cooking throughout Heavens Feel?

I've been bracing myself for misery and, I guess, ignoring all the descriptions of food but now that you mention it yes there was quite a lot of cooking.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Krinkle posted:

ignoring all the descriptions of food .

This is literally impossible.

I'm guessing you thought there was a specific bad end where someone was cooked, didn't you?

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


All the cooking parts lately are about how people are loving up at cooking, anyway, so I took them as indication of plot progression and moved on. Also I don't know what dashi or tofu taste like so it might as well be writing about smurfberries at those parts. Also GRRM has conditioned me to scroll past food words when someone is about to get shanked. These are my excuses.

unpronounceable
Apr 4, 2010

You mean we still have another game to go through?!
Fallen Rib

Krinkle posted:

Also I don't know what dashi or tofu taste like so it might as well be writing about smurfberries at those parts.
You need to get yourself over to GWC and fix that. Tofu is really hit and miss with people because of the texture, but a good dashi broth is absolutely wonderful.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Is it really fishy because I just don't eat fish, ever. I know it's boiled down fish bones or whatever but does it make you say "this is made from fish"? just by smelling it?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Cynic Jester posted:

The fact that the (non-blood related)sister wasn't an actual romance impressed me a lot. I'd have thought they'd shove that in with no second thoughts, ignoring the effect it would have on the overall story. For a game with such frequent sex scenes, it was overall quite restrained compared to what it could have been.

Yeah, that was a welcome relief. I liked how in the school council girl's route... can't remember her name, I know it started with "Mi" though, when she reappears and goes into labour and so on, your little sister immediately jumps on the "Nope, we're helping her out and I'm gonna be a kickass aunt" train. :unsmith:

That's another VN I want to re-read, come to think of it.

aarstar
Mar 7, 2004

Cynic Jester posted:

The local ~anime~ store didn't have Muv Luv or Alternative, but they did have Rewrite, so I guess I'm playing that next.

If I want to order Muv Luv/Alternative online, is there any particular version I should get? There's like so many variations.

From a couple pages back. Just wondering if you ever found a place that sells the right versions of these games. I've been working my way through some of the VNs that are talked about here a lot and want to play these next but can't find a good place to buy them.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
The only good English sources I've found are Ami Ami and Palet Web, but they sell out pretty quickly. Some doujin games (such as Umineko/Higurashi or Tsukihime) eventually simply run out of copies in circulation, in which case you're left with something like ebay. I'm sure it's much easier if you're living in Japan, of course.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Okay I finished Heaven's Feel and it bummed me out anyway. Oh god and the alternate ending is even worse. I hated this path the minute it deviated from Fate and can't even say it was worth it in the end to finish up.

What the heck is "last episode", why is it recapping Fate?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Okay I don't mean to be rude but I'm pretty sure you didn't 'get' F/SN. Like, on any level.

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

Krinkle posted:

Okay I finished Heaven's Feel and it bummed me out anyway. Oh god and the alternate ending is even worse. I hated this path the minute it deviated from Fate and can't even say it was worth it in the end to finish up.

What the heck is "last episode", why is it recapping Fate?


Last episode is an added thing with the Rea Nulta stuff, it wasn't in the original. Its like an epilogue to Fate. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but its a thing.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Krinkle posted:

Okay I finished Heaven's Feel and it bummed me out anyway. Oh god and the alternate ending is even worse. I hated this path the minute it deviated from Fate and can't even say it was worth it in the end to finish up.

You are, as far as I know, the only person in the world to like Fate better than either of the other two routes.

quote:

What the heck is "last episode", why is it recapping Fate?

It's Takeuchi making up bullshit to give his waifu a happy ending.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Krinkle posted:

Okay I finished Heaven's Feel and it bummed me out anyway. Oh god and the alternate ending is even worse. I hated this path the minute it deviated from Fate and can't even say it was worth it in the end to finish up.

What the heck is "last episode", why is it recapping Fate?


What bummed you out about the true ending?

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Ibram Gaunt posted:

What bummed you out about the true ending?

Sakura is still alive.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Pureauthor posted:

Sakura is still alive.
The best character in F/SN is alive, don't see the problem with that.

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DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Krinkle posted:

Okay I finished Heaven's Feel and it bummed me out anyway. Oh god and the alternate ending is even worse. I hated this path the minute it deviated from Fate and can't even say it was worth it in the end to finish up.

What the heck is "last episode", why is it recapping Fate?


I held off because you were midway through, but every one of your posts I imagine coming from your av and it makes them even worse than they would be on their own.

come on son.

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